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Published on February 9th, 2016 | by Zachary Shahan

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5 Ways Teslas Trump All Other Electric Cars

February 9th, 2016 by  

Originally published on EV Obsession.

We get criticized a little bit for writing too much about Tesla*. However, so far, Tesla is just in a very different league than all the other electric car producers. Not even speaking about the Tesla Model S or Model X specifically, there are 5 big reasons a Tesla (generally speaking, and including a Tesla Model 3) is head and shoulders above other electric car models.

*Full disclosure: I’m a TSLA stockholder, for the reasons explained below. I have no intention to sell the stock for many years, and just add more when I see good buying opportunities (which may be generated by bad press, not good press, countering points made by commenters below regarding my aims in writing this article).

Supercharging Is A League Above Other “Fast Charging”

Tesla Superchargers Spain

First of all, one of the most-talked-about reasons is that Tesla has the Supercharger network. While other “fast charging” networks are out there and can help with the convenience and practicality of an electric car, those charging stations charge an electric car approximately half as fast as a Supercharger charges a Tesla.

EV-Charging-RatesThis is the only charging network of any kind in any part of the world that charges cars quickly enough for electric cars to really be able to take a road trip without much inconvenience (for the typical person, not just super-flexible EV enthusiasts). Other fast chargers may make regional or local trips in an electric car completely practical and convenient, but they still don’t adequately serve genuinely long-range trips. This is a critical factor for electric cars to become mainstream, for the common Joe to feel cool living with them.

Yes, I fully agree that people can generally rent cars, swap cars with friends/family, or take a train or plane for long-distance trips — and that’s a much nicer way to go. I type this as I sit on a comfy high-speed train from Warsaw to Wroclaw, a couple hours after arriving in Warsaw via a long solo drive that was much less pleasant, and during which I couldn’t work, play, or rest. The trips both ways take approximately the same time, while the train is cheaper and, in my opinion, several times more valuable. Alas, not everyone has such great options, and even if they do, they may not be open to using them. They may prefer to drive their car (for reasons I probably don’t understand). In any case, the point is: I have spent a lot of time trying to bring more sense to long-distance travel behavior and ideology, but I don’t see the masses in the US and many other countries shifting from the idea that their car should be their long-distance land ship. And those same people aren’t going to be cool with a 1-hour charging stop every 1–3 hours of driving.

Our recent surveys of potential EV buyers demonstrated this point well enough:

Tesla Supercharger demand


 

OTA Updates

Another big trump card Tesla has is its over-the-air updates. A Tesla EV gets better and better as time goes on (in some ways, at least). Tesla is continuously rolling out over-the-air software updates that improve various aspects of the car. When it does so, you wake up, and your car has just become a better vehicle.

For people who bought the autopilot hardware, when Tesla rolled out its autopilot software, customers all of a sudden had cars with autonomous driving features. As these features get enhanced and multiply, the cars keep improving. One of the latest improvements is the ability to have the car park itself or roll out of your garage without you even in it.

Tesla has even demonstrated the ability to do “over-the-air recalls.” Naturally, the issue needing resolved has to be a software issue, not a hardware issue, but still, this can save countless hours for customers as well as staff, since there’s no need for the customer to bring the car into a dealer/service center for the fix.

Yes, other automakers could implement these at some point, but they haven’t yet.

Clear, No-Pressure Sales

Tesla StoreGetting away from the technical stuff, Tesla has also built a wonderful customer reputation because of its no-pressure sales approach and the clear pricing system it has in place.

When you walk into a Tesla store, you don’t have a “slick” salesman walking up to you with dollar signs in his eyeballs. The entire goal on the other side isn’t to get you into the buying seat and have you sign paperwork as the price you initially agreed to rises every 10 minutes or so. Tesla staff, from my experience and what I’ve heard from so many other people, are genuinely friendly, open to helping when requested (but not pushing to help you), and know a lot about the product.

That last point is a good one worth highlighting on its own. Tesla staff tend to know a great deal about the Model S and Model X, and typically much more than the customers. Time and time again, salespeople at conventional auto dealerships reveal that the customers usually know much more about their electric car models than they do. The thing is, what Tesla staff are supposed to do isn’t just get you in the signing seat — their main task is to help answer your questions and inform you about the car.

From no pressure, to deeply informative staff, to the price staying the same as what you can find online (not doubling or tripling before you get out the door), this is a whole different game from a conventional auto-buying experience, and tremendously refreshing for the consumer. After going through a dealership experience with my mom recently, I’m eager to never do that again.

Performance

This point references the Model S and Model X, of course, as well as the Tesla Roadster, but the key is that it’s expected to apply to any Tesla.

Tesla turned the stigma of electric cars being glorified golf carts on its head, delivering a wickedly quick and sporty Tesla Roadster. It beat the pants off that car by releasing a 5- to 7-seat sedan that is quicker than all but 5 production cars in history, all of which are tremendously more expensive and less spacious than a top-of-the-line Model S, and sold in small quantities. The out came the X, an SUV that is nearly as quick as a Model S and can seat 7 adults + a lot of cargo.

The Tesla Model 3 is supposed to be about half the price of the Model S, so it will almost surely lose some of that car’s oomph. But it is widely expected that it will blow the pants off of a comparatively priced BMW, Mercedes, etc. We’re all eager for the specs, but given Tesla’s history, it isn’t likely to disappoint.

In summary, no matter what Tesla you buy, it’s practically impossible that a comparatively priced car from a competitor (electric or gas), in the same class and with the same practicality, is going to beat the Tesla to 60 mph (100 km/h).

All Electric

Tesla Model Ss FloridaThere are now many electric cars on the market, with some manufacturers focusing their electrifed models on all-electric driving and others on plug-in hybrids, but electrics don’t come close to the majority of car sales for any manufacturer other than Tesla. For most manufacturers, these seem to be compliance cars that they build because they are forced to in order to sell in key markets.

For the few manufacturers that genuinely seem enthusiastic about our electric future, their electric offerings are still a niche segment of their portfolio, and customers are routinely guided away from these vehicles to conventional gasoline-powered cars. Communications around these cars are generally quite weak and infrequent.

On the whole, every other manufacturer seems like it’s playing in a half-assed B league, while Tesla is the only pro in the room really working to make the public love EVs.

Tesla is 100% focused on driving us into an electric future (pun somewhat intended), and that resonates with many of the humans interested in going electric. Furthermore, adding all these points together, Tesla is often the one that unleashed the buyer’s interest in electric cars in the first place.
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Top image by Tesla Motors. All other images by Zachary Shahan | EV Obsession | CleanTechnica.

 
 
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  • No, that’s not what he said. He said, “It is OUT OF REACH for the 99%” (emphasis mine) and then “right, the cut off for Tesla is at 99.9%”.

    That’s VERY different from saying not many people in a certain group will buy a particular luxury car.

    MOST wealthy people don’t choose to buy any particular luxury car. Your new version of his original inaccurate claim and revised silly claim is true of *every luxury car on the freaking market*!

    Nice try moving those goal posts, though. Remember to wear a back brace for safety! 😉

  • eveee

    Tesla is outselling all other luxury cars in the US last year.

    Looks like those with incomes over 104,000 are buying Teslas in droves.

    http://evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/US-Luxury-Car-Sales-Tesla.png

    http://evobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/US-luxury-car-sales-2015.png

    Teslas are common in high income areas.

    http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2014/06/2013-Tesla-Model-S-charging-stations-02.jpg

    • Truth hurts

      You can shuffle these numbers all you want it changes nothing in the real world.

      • eveee

        Dont confuse you with the facts? Truth hurts? Denial?

    • Robert

      These types of comparisons are useless..and so cherry picked.

      • eveee

        Cherry picked? An EV only manufacturer, for the first time ever, makes a luxury vehicle that outsells all other luxury vehicles in the US, and simultaneously cratered the sales of all the competitors?

        I do see what you mean. That is unusual.

        • Robert

          By cherry picked I meant why were some models chosen and others left off for comparison. For example, The Mercedes Model S Class has a price range of $94,000 to $230,000, thus you have the far more expensive S Class competing with the Tesla. The Model E Class is priced from $54,000 to close to $100000. Why was not the E included, at least, in part ,in the comparison?

          The Porsche Panamera has a price range of $78, 100 to $200,000.
          The base price of the Audi S8 is $114,000.

          And the same comparisons can be made with the BMW 7 and 6.

          So, comparisons based on price simply don’t make sense, *especially* since the Model S price is further advantaged by $10,000 after Federal/State tax incentives.
          Likewise, passenger volume size of the other large luxury cars is far greater that the Tesla Model S. So, certainly the comparison is not based on passenger comfort or roominess. Try seating in the back seat of Tesla Model S and folding your legs…can’t be done like it can be done in Mercedes S class or BMW 7.
          Also, all the aforementioned cars are sold worldwide but only US sales, where more than 50% of all Teslas are sold (44% in California). All the other makes US sales, while important, are still far less than the global numbers.
          The comparison model is handpicked and gerrymandered to favor Tesla and that’s good for Tesla (I guess). But why is that necessary? Tesla is an excellent car it does not need stunt sales data. Its good to have a positive spin but it can make for a false or incomplete reality.

          • eveee

            Huh? Looking at the graphic, it looks like its based on sales volume not price. It clearly says US large luxury car.

            E-Class went from 66,400 in 2014 to 49,736 in 2015 a drop of 25%.
            Ouch. So much for cherry picking.

            Sorry. Against that backdrop of big losses on the part of all other manufacturers, the conclusion is dramatic. CT is not the only one who has noticed.

            “The best-selling luxury large sedan in the U.S. wasn’t Daimer’s (NASDAQOTH:DDAIF), Mercedes-Benz S-Class, which has a history of leading sales in the segment. It wasn’t BMW’s (NASDAQOTH:BAMXF) 7-Series or its 6-Series either. And it wasn’t even one of Volkswagen Group’s (NASDAQOTH:VLKAY) premium Audi and Porsche models. It was Tesla Motors’ (NASDAQ:TSLA) Model S — by a long shot. Going further, every key competing model saw U.S. sales decline in 2015 while Model S sales jumped.”

            “Not only did Model S outsell competition considerably, but it was the only vehicle listed in the above chart which actually increased sales during 2015. And Tesla’s gains appear to — at least in part — come at the expense of its competition. Sales were down compared to 2014 for every large luxury car in the chart except the Model S”

            http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/06/can-you-guess-2015s-top-selling-large-luxury-car-i.aspx

            https://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/194660/large-luxury-us-car-sales_large.png

            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mercedes-benz-delivers-record-breaking-2014-sales-volume-of-330391-up-57-300015788.html

            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mercedes-benz-usa-reports-highest-year-ever-with-2015-sales-of-380461-300199502.html

            By size, E is smaller.

            MB E Class 185-193″ L x 70-73″ W x 55-59″ H
            MB S Class 198-207″ L x 75″ W x 56-59″ H
            Lexus ES 193″ L x 72″ W x 57″ H
            Lexus GS 192-194″ L x 72-73″ W x 57-58″ H
            Lexus LS 200-205″ L x 74″ W x 58″ H

            Tesla S 196″ L x 77″ W x 57″ H

            Clearly the S Class and LS are the correct comparison on size.

            But the A6/7 and BMW 7/6 are all down compared to Telsa in 2015.
            All in all, even spreading the comparison a bit further, its dang hard to miss that Tesla has whooped the competition.

            When was the last time anyone saw an entire car segment decrease at the expense of one new entrant from a brand new car company with a completely different technology?

            Not on my lifetime. Its unprecedented.

          • eveee

            Just in time, the shareholder video shows that the Panamera fell in 2015 also. So the list extends. Its starkly clear. Tesla has whacked the luxury market. It can only get worse for other manufacturers going forward. Increasingly, it is become clear that GM is not fully supporting EVs, but is backwardly pushing PHEVs instead, despite the ELR flop.
            Why do the majors (except Nissan?) have to be so backward?

            11:32
            http://cleantechnica.com/2016/02/11/dramatic-tesla-model-s-reliability-improvements-elon-notes-audio-recording/

          • Robert

            Is the graph something to rejoice about? Yes, it is,…… for a day or two. But its nothing to cling to or crow about. I choose to keep it in perspective.

            “Looking at the graphic, it looks like its based on sales volume not price. It clearly says US large luxury car.”

            That’s my point. This graph is one dimensional and paints a scanty picture of the market place and Tesla’s position in it. It shows *only* “large luxury cars”, regardless of price, sold *only* in Tesla’s home market, the US. The conveniently narrow scope of this graph makes it an untrustworthy gauge for the fiscal health of the manufacturer.

            None of these manufacturers listed on the graph can thrive on sales of large luxury cars in the US. This is most true for Tesla. This graph is no model for success because there is no correlation between sales of large luxury cars and fiscal health. None.

            But furthermore, this graph over inflates the success depicted. Here you have one of the least expensive cars in this grouping, Tesla S, compared with other cars, many which are up to twice more expensive. That is, one the least expensive cars (bottom two) , Tesla S, which also, by the way, has benefit of government subsidies (that I support) that lowers the price by an additional 10-15%, has more sales volume in the US (not globally). This is good news, and should not be a huge surprise. But don’t gloat…yet.

            Look let me be clear, I like the Tesla S more than any other car in this grouping. I think Tesla will be just fine in the long run, but before you accept this graph as an accurate and impartial depiction of Tesla’s long term prospects consider the graph’s source, Motely Fool, a zealous supporter and purveyor of Tesla stock…again not especially trustworthy.

            I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of Motely Fool graph. But research further, deeper, carefully, before you buy into any implications of this graph.

          • eveee

            Sorry. I don’t agree. When one car kicks the crap out of all the others and they all drop, its not a coincidence. And it rarely happens. IMO, you are grasping at straws and finding any excuse to deny what happened.

            Tesla has its faults. But I was shocked to see those numbers. And they are not cherry picked. Panamera is also down.

  • Bob_Wallace

    I don’t know who this Ramsey guy is. If he’s saying that only 0.1% of all US drivers will purchase a Tesla S or X he might be right. How he can actually make an accurate prediction like that? I’d guess he can’t.

    Tesla will sell only 210,000 S and X models in the US? I don’t believe it for a second.

    1% of US citizens have a net worth of about $8 million. A $70k car, not a big hit. That’s 3 million potential buyers. Lots of them will trade in for a new one every three to five years. Lots of used Teslas moving on to the other 99%.

    • Dave Ramsey is a very fiscally conservative financial commentator / author who advocates a zero debt lifestyle. My point was that if even HE would agree that a person in the top 4% can afford a Tesla Model S (based on his published recommended guidelines), then claiming that only the top 0.1% of earners in the USA can afford a Tesla is TRULY ludicrous!

  • NRG4All

    Did you have to use the word “Trump”?

    • AH ha!!

      Zachary has reveled a hidden political bias.

      Well spotted batman!

  • MarTams

    The only thing that’s wrong with Tesla is the price. It is out of reach for the 99%. Yeah, deliver the Model 3 at it’s original target price fully loaded and the rest of the article would be appreciated.

    • Bob_Wallace

      Leave out the “fully loaded” part. That was never promised and it isn’t needed.

      BTW, the cutoff is clearly not at 99%.

      • Martams

        Right, the cut off for Tesla is at 99.9%. Both you and Zach don’t own because you did not make the cut. But dream on, it’s free. Zach may get a free one from Musk for all the free advertising of Tesla.

        • A pre-owned Model S is $52,000 (just checked the website), and even per the famous uber fiscal conservative Dave Ramsey’s recommended $104,000 annual income to buy a car at that price is only in the 96th percentile. By contrast, the top 0.1% start with a minimum $3.9 million in annual income!

          You’ve gone from inaccurate to silly in one quick post. 🙁

          • Truth hurts

            The stock tells that he is accurate and wise. You might want to check it. It reads 150, it is his IQ.

          • I don’t know what point you’re making. Are you claiming Martams’ IQ is 150 because he believes only 0.1% of Americans have an income over $104,000, even though he’s off by $3.8 million?

        • Bob_Wallace

          You are both wrong and out of line.

          I don’t own a Tesla because it does not meet my needs. And I’m not the sort of person to spend that money on a car even though I could write a check for one today.

          BTW, I’m not in the top 10%.

  • Kraylin

    I am looking forward to the data and financials that will come out of Tesla earnings report tomorrow!

    • Kyle Field

      I’m with you on that 🙂

  • Martin

    Yes I agree with all those points, however, my place of residence and my long distance travel even a 90 kw Tesla would not do it, never mind I could not afford one.
    I frequently travel about 1.400 km (900 miles or so) in one 24 hour period. On that route there is no supercharger and none planned either (northern BC to Edmonton, AB).
    I used to take the train, some 25 + years ago, it would take about 24-26 hours, but not it takes 3 days with two overnights, one in a tourist town with rooms at $ 150+ a night.
    As for the lack of sales pressure, I have walked into two Nissan (Leaf) dealerships just to get some info and did not get the info or a callback/email, as for the GM (Volt) the dealer did not have one in stock or even any printed info, yeas that was about 1 year ago, but still.
    Performance to me is less important, but cargo space is, I have been using Minivans for almost 15 years and find them the most useful for personal and business use.
    The Tesla X may do it for, except the price, but in my case, I remove the seats for cargo area and do not know if I would be able to do that in an X (I carry full plywood sheets or drywall, lumber inside my van).

    • Kyle Field

      Give the supercharging network another year or two…it will catch up. It’s pretty insane how fast it is growing. I recently drove from ohio to california on it and encountered two chargers that were either temporary or brand spanking new…like before they even had the grand opening. Pretty awesome stuff 🙂

      • Martin

        My problem is, I live in northern Canada.
        The route I travel has no towns on one part for 130 miles + and then none for another 120 miles +.Lack of population.

        • Kyle Field

          I agree…that sounds like an issue not likely to be resolved in the next few years.

    • Knetter

      You are talking about a van, not a car. A full size van or close to it. You are not getting sheets of plywood or sheetrock in any car, SUV or otherwise. Short of ripping them lengthwise and then they still will barely fit in a station wagon and not very safely. I’ve been banging nails for 15 years and have tried to lumber into and onto all sorts of vehicles.

      • Martin

        My mechanic’s wife had a good laugh when I told them, both her and her husband, that I bought my van (s) with a tape measure.
        One of the few needs for me was to fit a full sized sheet into the van and and close the back.
        I rejected a number of them on that account, inside was 2 or 3 inches short.
        But the Toyota Sienna, Dodge Van (both with the longer wheel base) fit the bill as did the much older Toyota (think it was called a Vandex, sort of ugly looking) with the engine between the seats, that fir full sheets as well.
        I these I had lumber up to 12 feet long insides as well.

      • I did buy plywood for shelving recently. As you no doubt know you have to buy the entire sheet even if you only need a 1/4 of a sheet.

        I had Home Depot rip it down the middle as you indicated is necessary and then I folded down the rear seats, removed passenger seat headrest and folded down the front passenger seat and was successful in loading the 8 foot by 4 foot strips of plywood into the rear of my LEAF resting them on the passenger side dash, *and* I was able to close the rear hatch, it didn’t have to stick out the rear.

  • DB

    Zach… we get it. Really.

    • joshua

      lol I get your feeling, it’ll be nice if/when Tesla has some real competition (though at that point, it’ll mostly be Jalopnik rather than CT reporting on it).

      • Haha, if Tesla gets any “competition,” we’ll happily report on it!! We want cleaner transport, and are not biased toward one company beyond their obvious leadership. We got excited about Faraday Future until it flopped. We got excited by the Bolt and still are, but are also disappointed regarding several matters that keep it from being a head-to-head Model 3 competitor, unfortunately.

        • Harry Johnson

          We don’t hear much about BYD which has grown considerably. Or clean high-speed rail even though the Greyhound bus is depressingly the most efficient form.

          • Otis11

            Because, while BYD is great – it’s not sold much outside of Asia (where most of the readers and, to my knowledge, all of the writers live).

            That and high-speed rail isn’t nearly as sexy (nor has it been making much, if any, newsworthy progress recently)

        • Otis11

          And I readily expect to hear more about the Bolt once it’s actually on the market…?

          And once we actually see Faraday’s real car… (Assuming it’s noteworthy)

          • Bob_Wallace

            I also want to hear more about the Bolt.

            When is GM going to tell us something? Is there anything they have revealed that hasn’t been covered here?

            I’d really love to know why GM hasn’t addressed the rapid charge need. What’s their plan for the next few years? Does it include ramping up production to anything like Tesla’s 500,000 EVs per year? What’s GM’s assessment for when they can reach purchase price parity with ICEVs?

          • Otis11

            Exactly – lots of interesting questions… but as of yet, no answers. (So nothing newsworthy to print…)

            Time shall tell…

    • Sharon McCallister

      He’s a stockholder, and bought more before the recent crash. He’s just trying to pump his own holdings. And he should disclose this on these puff pieces but he doesn’t.

      • Martin

        Yes Zach is a stockholder and has stated that in past, perhaps he forgot this time.

        • Indeed. That’s what happened. I wrote hundreds of Tesla articles before I bought stock. I’m not in the habit of indicating that and it sometimes slips my mind.

          • Perhaps you should add a standard “I believe in what I wrote so much I bought (part of) the company!” (Victor Kiam style) to all your articles? 😀

      • Dan

        Zach has disclosed that over and over again before in other pieces. Hardly a puff piece either. Tesla far exceeds other evs by every measure imo and I am a broke aspiring to pay my bills individual who wants other electric car companies to follow Tesla’s lead. They could collaborate on charging infrastructure for one and take up the open source hardware offer too. Call me a fanboy or just a person with eyes to see, Tesla knocks their competitors out of the park in raw terms of building a superior product.

      • MS

        yeah, the stock just went up a penny after this article. Conspiracy successful.

      • Kyle Field

        Are you here just to rain on the great things Tesla is doing? I know firsthand just how much better Tesla is at building EVs and the full ecosystem to support them: service, support, smartphone apps, actual high speed charging, range, tech…it’s just crazy how far above the competition they are. It’s not even close…

        • Frank

          Some car companies make electric cars. Tesla only makes electric cars. It’s all or nothing. Life and death. There is no plan B. And making electric cars sucessful was the goal. I hope they are wildly successful with the model 3. And Elon’s don’t come along every day.

        • Benjamin Nead

          Kyle . . . it is a puff piece. There’s no real Tesla “news” here.
          It’s actually rather blatant free advertising.

          What is about to follow is a vocal few commenters who will insinuate that anyone who was critical of this article is a
          “Tesla hater” and that’s the sad part. Then, Zach will say
          “See? We had lots of people comment on this latest one,” noting the tally of commenters, ignoring the critiques, and considering it fuel to write another gushing article just like a few days or weeks later.

          You can laud the Tesla’s legitimate accomplishments and and outline the technical sophistication of the cars – while also acknowledging hefty retail price of the currently available models and well-reported challenges the company faces (that’s the balance and objectivity that’s missing here) – without resorting to such goofy histrionics as “On the whole, every other manufacturer seems like it’s playing in a
          half-assed B league, while Tesla is the only pro in the room really working to make the public love EVs.”

          https://www.quora.com/What-is-objective-reporting-or-objective-journalism

          • I don’t judge an article’s success by the comments.

            And notice that I didn’t mention “Tesla haters” in the article. Bring that in if you like, but I didn’t.

            We obviously run a lot of different pieces here — news, op eds, analysis. This one wasn’t titled in a way to make anyone think it was news. It’s just a broad overview piece that I thought pulled many important elements together.

            This is definitely not journalism. This is a blog, which includes journalism but not exclusively. This is essentially an op ed.

            Anyhow, another Tesla piece, and another comment from you with an anti-Tesla tinge. It’s just odd. As many commenters have noted when you continuously hit the comments on Tesla articles you say you didn’t want to read.

          • Benjamin Nead

            “. . . notice that I didn’t mention “Tesla haters” in the article. Bring that in if you like, but I didn’t.”

            “Anyhow, another Tesla piece, and another comment from you with an anti-Tesla tinge. It’s just odd. As many commenters have noted when you continuously hit the comments on Tesla articles you say you didn’t want to read.”

            —————————————————————————

            I never accused you mentioning the words “Tesla hater” in the article. I clearly stated that, after I would log a criticism
            regarding how YOU wrote the article and with me NOT providing a criticism of the company in my reply, a small and vocal chorus would show up to call me a Tesla hater. Not only did that happen, but you did as well, which is deeply concerning.

            The only points I raised regarding Tesla in my reply, in fact, was that they have legitimate technical accomplishments worth lauding, that their cars are technically sophisticated (those are insults!?!,) that their current lineup comes with hefty retail prices and that the company has well-reported challenges. Even the most ardent Tesla supporter will admit that the S and X are out of the price range for most and that ramping up for the 3 will be a lot of hard work. For stating all that, however, I’m a Tesla hater in your eyes? Time to get your optical prescription checked, my friend. Many people have logged on here and said far worse about Tesla than anything I’ve ever written.

            If you’re going to write op-ed pieces and casually
            intersperse them with a larger percentage of actual news items on your blog each day, I would suggest you clearly label the op-ed pieces as such. Relying on just a headline for differentiation is nebulous at best. Further, if you’re
            going to write op-ed pieces with strong endorsements of a product or company and belittle the competition all at once (ie: “half-assed B League,”) you need to be prepared for readers to log contrary opinions and even question your
            motives. It goes with the territory. People read op-ed
            pieces every day in millions of places that they come to knowing that they’ll be in disagreement with and then they comment on them. In this respect, I’m no different from any of them.

          • ROBwithaB

            Zach
            We’ve discussed this before, and I’m pleased someone else has raised the same general concern. It would be useful to find some kind of “shorthand” to indicate to readers what type of article to expect. In an old-fashioned newspaper, it was easy. One could easily skip articles about cooking and “How to keep your man interested” simply by avoiding the “Women’s section”. And if one had no sense of humour, one could avoid the cartoons.
            The op-ed had a different tone to the hard news on the front page, as did the more rah-rah support for the local sports team on the back page.

            I’m not quite sure exactly what the answer might be. Perhaps there are already some default protocols that are developing in online journalism?
            Maybe, in the meantime, why not simply add a block under the title, perhaps colour coded, to indicate whether it is “News”, “Opinion”, “Commentary”, “Promotion”, whatever.

          • Kyle Field

            This article is not intended to summarize all the pros and cons of the company…just pointing out 5 specific points about why they are doing a better job than…but I digress.

            Regarding objectivity, I believe it is our entrenched, educated perspective here at the site that provides deeper insight into the various clean tech topics we cover which naturally comes with a bias based on education. Having said that, not all articles here are intended to be objective, but shot straight from that experience. For example, I bought a leaf and a tesla model s in the last 6 months. I moved up to the tesla because I realized just how important some of the differences (listed above) are. I hope those learnings add value to our readers such that they don’t have to go through the pain in the butt experience I went through as they look to add EVs to their lives…but that they can learn from our words here and make more informed decisions based on my recently formed bias (aka life experience).

          • Knetter

            Which well reported challenges, can’t be so vague without putting forth some examples.

            Are you really trying to say you aren’t a Tesla doubter, because anyone who has read any of Zach and Kyle’s articles are well aware of your dramatics on the matter. You really will just call any Tesla article free advertizing or a puff piece. You’re a douche, plain and simple, with no moral high ground.

          • Bob_Wallace

            Dial it back.

          • eveee

            Its unfortunate about this.

            Me, I would like to heart the Leaf, I Miev, and all the other early pioneers that got us here. Looking forward, I want to see EVs replace ICE.

            Manufacturers are not meeting the full requirements of an EV that completely replaces an ICE.

            Tesla doesn’t yet because it doesn’t do it in the mid price segment yet.

            Nissan doesn’t yet because it doesn’t have long enough range or good enough SuperCharging yet.

            GM doesn’t, because it doesn’t support a DCFC for its own long range vehicle.

            We are getting tantalizingly close to, is a high volume, mid range price vehicle with 200 mile range and a really good, widely available DCFC network.

            I should have also said, the vehicle itself must be desirable, good looking, and reliable.

            IMO, Tesla is the closest, because you can’t do it without a good DCFC, and simply because they are the most committed. I would be glad if the other manufacturers stepped up.

            I think as an article about EV requirements and ranking the manufacturers, I would agree with it. But lets give the rest of the EVs some love.

            Being a bit more specific would help here. I really like the Bolt, but I am so disappointed in Mary Barra’s remarks. I think the root of my disappointment with many manufacturers is their half hearted love (or downright schizophrenic) of EVs. Dealerships that steer buyers away from EVs, manufacturers that don’t support charging, and on. I once had an argument with a gal that worked for VW about their internal support for EVs being lip service while they were secretly undermining them. Look where they are now. I read recently that GM wants to spread its hybrid tech to other companies.

            Its crystal clear. Only a few companies have had sincere commitment to EVs. Nissan. Mitsubishi, some others. Many of the other ones I view like a father looking at my daughters date.

          • Benjamin Nead

            Thank you, Eveee. I think is the above editorial was written with these bullet points included, it would have been far more effective and less divisive.

          • eveee

            I hear you. I have my bad days, too. We all get frustrated and want more change faster.
            I may be one of those people that never met an EV he didn’t love. I don’t mind. I have seen a lot of conversions.

            I drove one of these at an annual EAA event. Its crude simplicity, with a huge potentiometer and DC motor, was charming.

            http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/128584386-historic-image-of-an-early-electric-car-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=0Zk3BVJmhJ%2Bl8ODjTsXPpqTlCfCMaHOnbLn2Rk0pGI1Vh5%2FkuoH891tlIJyLOZCA

            https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mOcdGo2pqjo/hqdefault.jpg

            Back in the day, this was a hot item:
            http://blog.ebayimg.com/motors/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bradley_gt2_ev_6-602×400-740×480.jpg

            And this was .. veeerrry .. hot. Sizzling.

            http://www.auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_ClickTrick_STD/26179_1264516785850.jpg

          • Geoff

            You are a puff piece Ben. Why don’t you just not read the articles that Zach writes and leave your mind numbing responses out. I would think that you might be on this site to rubbish the EV future and prolong the life of the ICE industry.

      • Hahaha, I’m not at all. I’m planning to hold for ~10 or more years. Whatever happens to Tesla in the meantime is not going to be dictated by an article like this. lol 😀

        As far as disclosure, I typically do but simply forgot here. I’ve been writing about and admiring Tesla for much longer than I’ve held stock, so sometimes just forget to include a note on that.

        • Otis11

          But some of us are looking at this latest downturn as an investment opportunity… if you could tone down the support – or better yet! Pull a 180 and let everyone know just how terrible these cars are (I mean they did miss a point on the original consumer reports analysis after all… we keep hearing about the 99 points they got – what about the 1 they didn’t!) – that would be very much appreciated.

          At least until I finish buying stock for the quarter…

          Thanks in advance! =-P

      • Knetter

        Only puff piece is you and Ben blowing each other. We are all aware of Zacks investment in Tesla. Keep your bloomers on.

      • eveee

        He didn’t disclose? Whats this then, an old sock?

        “*Full disclosure: I’m a TSLA stockholder, for the reasons explained below. I have no intention to sell the stock for many years, and just add more when I see good buying opportunities (which may be generated by bad press, not good press, countering points made by commenters below regarding my aims in writing this article).”

        • Otis11

          I think that was added after the fact (Zach puts it on most articles, but seems to have forgotten it originally…)

          • eveee

            Yes. I can remember Zachs disclosure on many past articles. The inference that Zach doesn’t disclose is wrong. It was jumping to conclusions. I can also tell you that sometimes articles start out without a graphic header for a short time occasionally, but those things are fixed right away. Its not like newsprint.

      • Rich

        Sharon, for the sake of being fair, please disclose if you’re shorting Tesla stock.

    • Knetter

      HA! You got upvoted by Ben Nead, tesla hater extraordinaire.

    • hybridbear

      I agree. This article seems more over the top than most of the other Tesla articles written by @Zachary Shahan

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