#1 cleantech news, reviews, & analysis site in the world. Subscribe today. The future is now.


Cars

Published on October 14th, 2014 | by Steve Hanley

37

More Tesla Model D Details Emerge

October 14th, 2014 by  


Tesla-Dual-Motor-Model-S-01

Originally posted on GAS2

Last week, we reported the debut of the Tesla Model D, a dual motor version of the Model S that comes in three flavors: 60D, 85D and a high performance version, the P85D. Adding the second motor to the 60D and 85D is not done quite the way you might think. Out comes the standard 302 horsepower rear motor and in go two 188 horsepower motors, one in front and one in the rear. The two combine to make 376 horsepower, which lowers 0-60 times by about 0.2 seconds. The setup also adds about 10 to 15 miles of range over their Model S cousins, giving the 60D a range of 226 miles and the 85D up to 295 miles of driving at 65 MPH, or so claims Tesla.

The big news comes with the P85D model. That gets a 221 horsepower motor in the front and a whopping 470 horsepower motor in the rear. Together they spin out 691 horsepower and hurl the 4,900-lb. Model S P85D to 60 mph in a jaw dropping 3.2 seconds! That’s a full second quicker that the P85S and 2 seconds quicker that the 85D. It also has a top speed of 155 mph.

model-s-d

How much does all this goodness cost? Adding the dual motors bumps the price of a 60D or 85D by $4,000 over their Model S equivalents. But the high performance P85D will set you back an extra $18,000 above the price of a Model S P85. That’s a considerable chunk of change for the privilege of getting to the mall 1 second faster than your friends. But still, even when fully optioned, the P85D tops out at just over $138,000, which is just a fraction of the cost of many so-called “supercars” available today. Meanwhile, the two semi-autonomous autopilot features come standard on every Model S with the tech package, which also adds $4,000 to the MSRP.

If you are considering a new Tesla Model S or Model D, the company offers a whole range of accessories from the practical, like a winter weather package, to the silly, like red plastic brake caliper covers. You can browse all the selections on the Tesla website and then build your Tesla just the way you want it. Deliveries of the Model D are expected to begin in February 2015.





Tags: , , , , , ,


About the Author

writes about the interface between technology and sustainability from his home in Rhode Island. You can follow him on Google + and on Twitter.



  • Cat Astrophy

    I love how you refused to note in the article that you lose some range with the performance model. Sure it says that in the graphic but you went out of your way to write most of what was already in the graphic anyway.

  • Will E

    breaking good news.
    Tesla opens second assembling factory in Tilburg
    The Netherlands, for the EU imports. I had a feel good Weekend
    as a fact is, that I live in The Netherlands. Right On.

  • Bob_Wallace

    Those states ban sales in Tesla salesrooms.

    And the Republicans in those states talk about how much they believe in the free market and oppose government interference with business.

    • Bill the eighth

      What is with the far left – right BS in a non – political discussion about a car? I did notice you fail to mention the hefty subsidy of tax dollars you get if you buy one of these POS. If you want to talk politics, go to a political website and spew your nonsense there. Get this through your head, ALL politicians are crooks and scoundrels, the sooner you realize that, the sooner we can clean house.

      • Bob_Wallace

        Ooooooh, someone doesn’t like it when it gets pointed out that Republicans are not actually for free markets. They’re all about protecting the people with piles of money.

      • grendal

        Actually. You don’t get a subsidy of tax dollars for buying one of these cars, as opposed to the gas burning cars of the major manufacturers. The tax credit means that you get to keep some of your hard earned money instead of giving it to the government. Which is something the Right is usually fighting very hard for. It is also why the tax credit program was created by the Bush Administration, not the Democrats. And currently Tesla is the only American car company that doesn’t owe taxpayers vast amounts of money or had their tax debt waived, thus stiffing the American taxpayer of billions. So if you are a true Conservative then Tesla is the one car company that you should be cheering for, not the ones that make gas burning POS. That’s not even counting the subsidy to oil. That adds up to trillions if you count the money spent for all the wars where oil interests are being protected. Like Iraq I. Are we such good friends with Kuwait that we had to go to war to save them from being invaded? If you add in the fact that Kuwait is critical for oil then the war makes sense. We spent over a trillion for that war. A massive subsidy of oil and gas car manufacturers. It makes all the support of Tesla and all alternative powered cars pale by comparison. When was the last time America went to war over electricity? Do you think we’d have a carrier group parked in the Gulf over electricity.

  • NRG4All

    Am I missing something? I seem to remember that the 85S started around $80K and now the dual motor 85S is listed at $79,000? If $79,900 is true, what is the plain 85S listed at?

  • shecky vegas

    “The two combine to make 376 horsepower, which lowers 0-60 times by about 0.2 seconds.”
    OH MY GOD! CHRISTOPHER DEMORRO MUST BE HAVING A HISSY FIT!

  • Johnny Le

    Too bad it couldn’t get over the 300-mile range mark.

    • grendal

      Eventually it will for those that insist on extra range. The bigger question would be why you need it. The current range gets you about 3 1/3 hours before needing a charge. How often do you really drive 300 miles in a day? If the answer is every once in a while then the convenience of having a full charge every morning is more convenient on a regular basis. Then just be patient if you go on a trip.

      • Johnny Le

        The why is not important. It has to have at least the same range as its gasoline counterpart to reach the tipping point, especially when it takes longer to charge. I know it will get there eventually, but I wish it’s here now.

        • grendal

          Well then, if going more than 300 miles regularly is necessary for you then you can always stick with a gas or diesel burning car. No one has said that you have to buy an electric car. You are correct that it will eventually be an option available to you. If your daily commute is relatively small but you take long trips on a regular basis then an EREV like the Volt/Ampera might be an option for you. Those types of cars get a certain number of electric miles before a gas engine kicks in to allow for long distance travel. That way you drive electric for your daily commute and have a gas engine for the long distance travelling.

          • Johnny Le

            You missed the point. I was hoping that it soon gets longer range than gasoline cars so we can all switch to electric.

          • grendal

            It will, but that will likely be another 20 years before that becomes affordable unless there is a dramatic breakthrough in energy storage technology. Tesla might make a longer range electric luxury sedan for those rare individuals that demand the longer range built into the car. They’ve talked about a 400 or 500 mile pack at various times.

          • Johnny Le

            20 years is depressing. I’m rooting for 5.

            Tesla may come out with a 400-mile pack for the roadster at the end of the year.

            The long range alone is not enough. I’m hoping they can shorten the charging time as well. Tesla CTO said it may be possible to half charge the battery in 5-10 minutes in a couple of years. So if the pack is 400 miles, and in 5-10 minute charging, you get 200 miles. That would be the turning point.

          • Phil Williamson

            “You missed the point. I was hoping that it soon gets longer range than gasoline cars so we can all switch to electric.”

            It already has a better range than gasoline. Remove the 100 year old gasoline infrastructure and see how far your gas car goes on one tank.

            A Model S 85 can get over 300 miles per charge driving around town.

          • Johnny Le

            Well, I could say I’m faster than you if your legs are removed, but that doesn’t mean I will win the race. Again, my wish is that everyone will switch to electric cars soon. Since we have no godzilla to take out the gasoline infrastructure, electric cars have to have longer range and charge faster to win out.

      • KuraIthys

        How often? Depends on where you live. 300 km round-trips are a triviality in parts of Australia… (that’s only 186 miles though). People do distances like that in a single day.
        Many people are also not above doing 800-1000 km in a single day’s travel… (500-620 miles)… It’s not an every-day thing, but it happens often enough to be a real headache if your car can’t manage it.

        Of course, at those ranges, most petrol cars can’t manage it either.
        The difference is, you stop for fuel, and 5 minutes later you can keep going.

        With charging times in the 12+ hours region, (without fast-charge infrastructure in place), an electric car would be really awkward for trips like that.

        Not to mention that doing 1000 km in a day is often part of doing a 3000-4000 km trip… Which, with the current state of charging infrastructure, and charging times, would turn a 3-4 day trip into more like a 8 or 9 day one…
        (And then the same distance back again a few weeks later…)

        Sure, it’s not a super-common thing to do (not daily, sure. But 2-3 times a year is not at all a rare case. Nor is doing an 500 km round-trip to a larger regional city if you live in the country on a weekly basis…)

        Those kind of trips simply aren’t viable in an electric car at the moment. And that means low adoption amongst people that need the ability to do stuff like that. Which… In a place such as Australia, is a lot more than you’d think…

        • Tom G.

          Oh my goodness; I know Australia has some huge areas where not a whole lot of people live but I do know for a fact that they have airplanes, LOL.

          I don’t care how nice or plush a vehicle is; sitting in a steel box on four wheels for hours and hours doesn’t strike me as fun day. Its bad enough we put truck drivers on American highways in 70,000 lb. rigs and ask them to drive safely for 10-12 hours a day. And I am probably a little old fashioned but stopping to go to the bathroom or to get a shower at a truck stop has never sounded very glamorous.

          There are places where electric vehicles CURRENTLY make sense and its not on 1000 km trips and anyone trying to convince you otherwise needs an Attitude Adjustment. An “Attitude Adjustment” by the way is the name of an excellent bar drink here in Lake Havasu City, Arizona where I have met lots of wonderful people from Australia.

          But if there really were a NEED for that type of electrification, then we really aren’t that many years away from that happening. Things like in roadway inductive charging are coming. Both international and national standards are currently being written for such systems. You know, 200 miles of regular road followed by 30 miles of inductive charging so the vehicles can be charged while in motion for the next 200 miles. Of course I pity the poor drivers we put into conditions like this and I ALWAYS give them all the road they want, LOL.

          I know double and even triple trailers are common in Australia and some of your highways stretch further than the eye can see. But driving those highways in an electric vehicle currently doesn’t make much sense to me – at least not yet. Give the technology another 10 years or so and we can revisit this posting.

          Until then; lets all just agree to enjoy another chilled beverage from down under 🙂 They have some really awesome choices available.

          • KuraIthys

            Yes… XD quite true. Still, I somehow got into a drawn out argument with someone about plugin hybrids because they seemed to think electric vehicles could solve it anyway… As to why all that driving happens in Australia… Well, people DO fly… If they live in a major city, and want to get to another one… But commercial airports are few and far between away from the major cities. For quite a few, it’s drive, or never go anywhere… I once lived in a place that was probably about 700 km from the nearest airport capable of handling commercial flights… Then again, the last time I was on a trip with crazy distances, it mostly had to do with items left in storage after moving halfway across the country…

          • jeffhre

            The copy reads, “That’s a full second quicker that the P85S and 2 seconds quicker that the 85D.”
            Should it be (see parentheses), “That’s a full second quicker that… (than the Model S P85+ and 2 seconds quicker that the S 85D)?
            I’m just guessing about the right nomenclature for the comparisons, not much time to parse all of the permutations! So I gather from the included graphic that the old P85 and P85+ are replaced by the P85D?

          • Cat Astrophy

            How does it fell to be in a state where Tesla sales are banned?

      • Joel

        For certain markers, this is certainly a real blocker. Take German market for example: A normal speed on autobahn is 160 km/h, at which speed you’ll have a range of around 200 km. With 80 % charges you’ll be able to get 160 km on a single charge, in ideal conditions! And making one pit-stop per hour. Many people with cars in this segment drive much faster than 160 km/h, especially in the night etc. Basically every review in German press recognizes this. A competing car from Audi will have more than twice the range.

        • grendal

          Since the Model S85D get 295 miles on a charge you can feel very confident that you would get 320 km on a charge even when driving like a maniac at 160 km/h. So one pit stop every 2 hours and if you use a Supercharger then the charge will be free. Laws are going into effect in Germany and other European countries that you will be fined heavily for driving a gas or diesel car inside large cities. So it will become necessary to adopt alternative forms of transport.

    • Cat Astrophy

      Haha you actually lose range going for the performance model

      • Johnny Le

        We spend more energy to run than to walk. So it’s normal for a fast car to have a shorter range.

    • Wayne Williamson

      I have a 2010 Ford Explorer (v6) and it can’t make it 300 miles….

  • Shiggity

    If these numbers pan out, Tesla should never make another single motor car again. It’s cheaper to add a second motor + power electronics and cut the battery some in the future.

    • jeffhre

      I think you are on to something there. It is certainly a heck of a lot cheaper than a big motor coupled with a multispeed transmission!

  • Joel

    On Tesla Motor’s website, they refer to the model as “Dual Motor Model S”, not “Model D”. Have Tesla ever referred to the model as a “Model D” themselves?

    • Maxwell Erickson

      They have not. It ticks me off that so many sites are talking about the “Model D.” It’s like saying, “Look! The new BMW D-series!”

      • You guys didn’t see the image in this article cut directly from the Tesla website with the 60d,the 85d,and the p85d shown? Gotta be willfully ignorant to miss that.

        • Maxwell Erickson

          The D is not a new model. It is an addition to a previously existing model.
          Gotta be willfully ignorant to miss that.

          • Point taken. I didn’t read Maxwell’s comment well enough. I thought he was debating the use of a “d”. He is correct to point out that it remains a model s.

          • Maxwell Erickson

            Certainly.

            Apologies for the snarky reply, though. No hard feelings.

  • dxing

    This just in New Lithiuim Technology

    Nanyang Technological University Researchers have developed a new
    battery which charges to 70% in Two minutes and lasts 20 Years, they
    accomplished this by using Titanium Dioxide Gel to replace the graphite
    electrode in the Battery. They used a simple process to turn Titanium
    dioxide which is used in sun tan lotion, into cross linked nano-tubes,
    the process can easily be integrated into existing Lithium battery
    production lines.

    • EnTill

      Sounds like a variant of lithium titanate batteries to me. They have been around for years and charges very quickly but they have fairly low energy density.

Back to Top ↑