Published on May 13th, 2014 | by James Ayre


BYD Lands 2,000 Electric Bus + 1,000 Electric Taxi Order

May 13th, 2014 by  

Originally published on EV Obsession.

Biggest Bus & Taxi Order Ever For BYD (via EV Obsession)

  A record-setting new order of electric buses and taxis was recently received by the fast-growing manufacturer BYD. The deal for the order — for 2,000 long-range, battery-electric transit buses and 1,000 long-range, pure-electric cars (taxis) —…

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  • Wayne Williamson

    Wow, that’s a big order. Initially I was thinking like 200 million us, but I think I’m off by at least a factor of 10, meaning the deal is worth at least 2 billion us.

  • JamesWimberley

    That’s the second really large order for electric buses from a Chinese city after Dalian’s 600. Is it the first fleet order for electric taxis? Orders on this scale will allow BYD to secure economies of scale, and fix any remaining design issues revealed by large-fleet operation. Unit prices should fall for the many other potential customers nibbling at an electric bus switch. Buffett’s investment is looking good. BYD has no real competitors in buses, though Nissan is a serious one in taxis.

  • MarTams

    It does not help if the coal fired power plant is in the same city as the electric buses.

    • Ronald Brakels

      Diesel buses spit out pollution at nose level. When coal plants are located near population centers they generally have tall smokestacks and pollution control equipment. This is far from a perfect solution, and if you live near a coal plant please accept my commiserations, but at least it’s not coming out at tailpipe level. And when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions few cities are as evil as Melbourne which probably has the worst CO2 emissions per kilowatt-hour of electricity in the developed world, so in most grids electric vehicles reduce greenhouse gas emissions compared to gasoline and diesel vehicles. And even Melbourne’s electricity is slowly becoming less evil as as more rooftop solar capacity is built and connections with South Australia are improved. But make no mistake, it’s still hella evil.

    • Corbin Holland

      An electric motor is 3x more efficient than a ICE. For example, a Model S could be hooked up directly to a coal plant and still have less emissions overall because of the efficiency of the engine. Coal is dirtier than gas, but in EVs that energy is used 3x more efficiently so it does help.

      • Bob_Wallace

        An EV charging from 100% coal electricity is likely to produce less of what we generally call pollution – the stuff we breathe. But a bit more CO2 would be emitted per mile compared to an ICEV.

        Of course, that’s irrelevant since there are no 100% coal grids. And even the grids that are largely coal fed are starting to transition to renewables.

        • Ronald Brakels

          Yeah, not even Melbourne has a 100% coal powered grid, but it makes up for it by having what are probably the most inefficient brown coal plants in the world. The sort of things China would have shut down years ago. Take the most inefficient thermal plant you can think of, wrap it in asbestos, and then feed it with hideous low quality damp brown coal. That’s what I’m talking about. You know how New Zealand is Middle-Earth? Well Mordor is actually in the Australian state of Victoria.

  • Matt

    US fed should start a upto 50% payment for full electric buses. Payment is US content/2. Then BYD would open a plant in US and we would see lots of EV city buses. Yes I know there is already a US company making EV buses, I’m good with that. Cover the cost raising gas 50% ever 6 months, for 4-6 years. Extra funds can go to other public transportation.

    • LookingForward

      Will electric buses be the end of new trams and metro’s in the world?
      With the cost of adding one new track in a city, you can electrify 100s of buses and power them from with solar and wind energy.

      • Ronald Brakels

        For now, no. Trams and metros reduce congestion on roads and road congestion is ridiculous in many parts of the world, particularly in developing nations and so they will continue to be built. However, they can make busways where buses act like trams or trains on dedicated roads more popular. So yes, I guess they may end new trams and metros in some places.

        • LookingForward

          You think building new railways don’t cause congestion? Look how much space they use, sometimes on top of the road.
          I think it will be better against congestion to remove the railways (atleast the ones on and around streets) and build new roads. Atleast that’s the case here in Holland.

          • Ronald Brakels

            In many parts of the world new “trams and metro’s” are being built with a major goal of reducing congestion. “Metro’s” are often underground, you know. It’s interesting that removing street trams is considered to relieve congestion in Holland. Here in Australia Melbourne kept its extensive tram network and now has the largest tram system in the world, and it is considered to be very fortunate that it wasn’t removed, as they mostly were in other cities when private car ownership soared, as over the decades it has been very useful in reducing congestion and city pollution and maybe cut a percentage point off Australia’s oil use.

          • LookingForward

            well we do have half your population and only like 1000th of your landmass 😛
            PS I personally think new tramrails will cause to much congestion, it’s not a general opinion.
            I live in Nijmegen a city of about 150k population and they want to spend 100m on a new to the city tram rail, we have about 100 busses in the city, it would be a much better idea I think to make the busses electric and put solar and wind at the overnight/garage for the busses, right?

          • Ronald Brakels

            I couldn’t possibly say what would be best for a city I know very little about these days. Maybe do both? But within a decade perhaps self driving taxis will start rendering both trams and buses obsolete. I do remember many years ago being shown the remains of a tram line embedded in a dutch street. It was like finding the bones of an ancient animal and my uncle lamented that the trams were now gone.

        • jeffhre

          Much faster and easier to build a dedicated lane or road and put electric buses on them, than to build a rail or electrified trolley line. They, busways, are generally far more limited in capacity than a rail line, unless a completely new road, an elevated lane that is separate from existing traffic for example, is built.

  • Sam

    Nice! All electrification is good electrification.

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