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	<title>Comments on: Canada Ranks Top Bird Killers, Wind Turbines Not Even Close To The Top</title>
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		<title>By: Sean Con</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-269726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Con]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dude, you got to be really, really kidding us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, you got to be really, really kidding us.</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How vulgar.

They keep the pictures hidden under the bed for &quot;alone time&quot;, obviously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How vulgar.</p>
<p>They keep the pictures hidden under the bed for &#8220;alone time&#8221;, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t the Koch boys have an oil painting of that in their board room?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t the Koch boys have an oil painting of that in their board room?</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Think it will be as beautiful once climate change removes the snow?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about when its top gets blown off to access the coal inside?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Think it will be as beautiful once climate change removes the snow?</p></blockquote>
<p>How about when its top gets blown off to access the coal inside?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lovely mountain top you&#039;ve got in your icon there Alec.


Think it will be as beautiful once climate change removes the snow?  


How about that nice green forest.  Think you&#039;ll enjoy looking at it after it&#039;s been bug-killed and wildfire burned thanks to our rising temperatures?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely mountain top you&#8217;ve got in your icon there Alec.</p>
<p>Think it will be as beautiful once climate change removes the snow?  </p>
<p>How about that nice green forest.  Think you&#8217;ll enjoy looking at it after it&#8217;s been bug-killed and wildfire burned thanks to our rising temperatures?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, Alec, what in your eye is uglier.


a) wind turbines


b) millions of acres of forests killed by climate change]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Alec, what in your eye is uglier.</p>
<p>a) wind turbines</p>
<p>b) millions of acres of forests killed by climate change</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243584</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alec, take a look at bird deaths per GWh.  

That&#039;s how you decide whether it makes sense to install wind turbines or not.

Wind farms kill roughly 0.27 birds per GWh.

Nuclear plants kill about 0.6 birds per GWh.  (2.2x wind)

Fossil-fueled power stations kill about 9.4 birds per GWh. (34.8x wind)

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2198024



Now, someone who really cares about birds should be advocating for more wind turbines so that we can close the real bird killers - coal and nuclear.


Don&#039;t cha think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, take a look at bird deaths per GWh.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how you decide whether it makes sense to install wind turbines or not.</p>
<p>Wind farms kill roughly 0.27 birds per GWh.</p>
<p>Nuclear plants kill about 0.6 birds per GWh.  (2.2x wind)</p>
<p>Fossil-fueled power stations kill about 9.4 birds per GWh. (34.8x wind)</p>
<p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2198024" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2198024</a></p>
<p>Now, someone who really cares about birds should be advocating for more wind turbines so that we can close the real bird killers &#8211; coal and nuclear.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t cha think?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Sevins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Sevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think forcing thousands or even millions of noisy 400+ foot white skyscrapers into rural and wild areas is somehow NOT wrecking the environment? Get over the green myopia and look at lost scenery. When did the landscape itself cease to be part of the environment? These monster towers are a taste many would rather not acquire.


I really wonder how many advocates have seen them in large numbers against formerly scenic backdrops? Some smart Germans were already dismayed back in 1998 when they wrote the &quot;Darmstadt Manifesto,&quot; lamenting the loss of countryside character and historical sense of place. These things loom over nature like tripods from War of the Worlds. They&#039;re just too large.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think forcing thousands or even millions of noisy 400+ foot white skyscrapers into rural and wild areas is somehow NOT wrecking the environment? Get over the green myopia and look at lost scenery. When did the landscape itself cease to be part of the environment? These monster towers are a taste many would rather not acquire.</p>
<p>I really wonder how many advocates have seen them in large numbers against formerly scenic backdrops? Some smart Germans were already dismayed back in 1998 when they wrote the &#8220;Darmstadt Manifesto,&#8221; lamenting the loss of countryside character and historical sense of place. These things loom over nature like tripods from War of the Worlds. They&#8217;re just too large.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Sevins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Sevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget that natural scenery is also dying every month as more are installed. That&#039;s the elephant in the living room with wind turbines for many people. How can we call this &quot;clean&quot; power when it presents such an eyesore? Ringed turbine designs that attempt to minimize bird kills are even more unnatural looking and denser to the eye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that natural scenery is also dying every month as more are installed. That&#8217;s the elephant in the living room with wind turbines for many people. How can we call this &#8220;clean&#8221; power when it presents such an eyesore? Ringed turbine designs that attempt to minimize bird kills are even more unnatural looking and denser to the eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Sevins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Sevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More like 400-500 feet tall, counting the blades, and some of the blades sweep an area of 1.5 acres. Bats are also attracted to them at night and are dying in droves.


I am tired of the wind industry hiding behind a green badge. It uses the same propaganda tools as any industry that knows it has large impacts on nature. Same general smugness, changing the subject, always putting out best case scenarios, and flat out lying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like 400-500 feet tall, counting the blades, and some of the blades sweep an area of 1.5 acres. Bats are also attracted to them at night and are dying in droves.</p>
<p>I am tired of the wind industry hiding behind a green badge. It uses the same propaganda tools as any industry that knows it has large impacts on nature. Same general smugness, changing the subject, always putting out best case scenarios, and flat out lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Sevins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-243574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alec Sevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article fails to mention two big factors:


1) Birds (and don&#039;t forget bat) deaths from wind turbines are in ADDITION to other causes, not magically subtracted from them,

2) Deployment of wind turbines is (unfortunately) still in its infancy and the total body count will surely rise. One study from Stanford envisioned 3.8 MILLION wind turbines worldwide as part of a &quot;sustainable&quot; future. 

Furthermore, the sheer blight on the landscape from wind turbines will always be an issue, and bird/bat deaths are just one aspect of their intrusion on nature. Renewable energy may turn out to be the biggest land grab since oil drilling or coal mining, since it&#039;s much less energy dense. To &quot;save the environment&quot; we seem bent on pillaging it of natural scenery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article fails to mention two big factors:</p>
<p>1) Birds (and don&#8217;t forget bat) deaths from wind turbines are in ADDITION to other causes, not magically subtracted from them,</p>
<p>2) Deployment of wind turbines is (unfortunately) still in its infancy and the total body count will surely rise. One study from Stanford envisioned 3.8 MILLION wind turbines worldwide as part of a &#8220;sustainable&#8221; future. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the sheer blight on the landscape from wind turbines will always be an issue, and bird/bat deaths are just one aspect of their intrusion on nature. Renewable energy may turn out to be the biggest land grab since oil drilling or coal mining, since it&#8217;s much less energy dense. To &#8220;save the environment&#8221; we seem bent on pillaging it of natural scenery.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Weed</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-229718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Weed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indirectly yea. Actually he farts methane and shits manure which I collect methane from and then I burn both in my natural gas generator to make electricity...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indirectly yea. Actually he farts methane and shits manure which I collect methane from and then I burn both in my natural gas generator to make electricity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve now violated an adequate number of site rules.

Nighty-night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve now violated an adequate number of site rules.</p>
<p>Nighty-night.</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225881</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;you hero Bill Gates thinks that corn that causes sterility in humans is a good idea to send to Africa&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bill Gates thinks that wind power doesn&#039;t work:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/05/05/bill-gates-wind-and-solar-are-cute/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you hero Bill Gates thinks that corn that causes sterility in humans is a good idea to send to Africa</p></blockquote>
<p>Bill Gates thinks that wind power doesn&#8217;t work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/05/05/bill-gates-wind-and-solar-are-cute/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/05/05/bill-gates-wind-and-solar-are-cute/</a></p>
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		<title>By: GoodScienceFYou</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoodScienceFYou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it smell like a government shill, sounds like one that promotes the death of the human species, destroying life on earth, then it is one.  Go look in the mirror.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it smell like a government shill, sounds like one that promotes the death of the human species, destroying life on earth, then it is one.  Go look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodScienceFYou</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoodScienceFYou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you also promote GMO&#039;s, you hero Bill Gates thinks that corn that causes sterility in humans is a good idea to send to Africa.  Most elite rich people have no concern at all for life, they just want to stay rich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you also promote GMO&#8217;s, you hero Bill Gates thinks that corn that causes sterility in humans is a good idea to send to Africa.  Most elite rich people have no concern at all for life, they just want to stay rich.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodScienceFYou</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoodScienceFYou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t understand anything I have taught you from real science.  There is no such thing as a carbon footprint.  The earth and all life is carbon based. CARBON IS GOOD&gt;


Watch the video and learn how it life really is. 


The oil in the ground is LIFE and SO is coal.


It is not evil as you think.  Your beliefs are from brainwashing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t understand anything I have taught you from real science.  There is no such thing as a carbon footprint.  The earth and all life is carbon based. CARBON IS GOOD&gt;</p>
<p>Watch the video and learn how it life really is. </p>
<p>The oil in the ground is LIFE and SO is coal.</p>
<p>It is not evil as you think.  Your beliefs are from brainwashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you don&#039;t understand the difference between the normal carbon cycle and what happens if it gets overloaded then what sort of engineer could you be? This is such basic science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t understand the difference between the normal carbon cycle and what happens if it gets overloaded then what sort of engineer could you be? This is such basic science.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodScienceFYou</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoodScienceFYou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38peWm76l-U



Here is a great video on the life cycles of carbon based life on earth.  LEARN from it.  Carbon is the foundation of life on earth it is not a poison.  Who ever sells this idea does so by taking advantage of stupid people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='600' height='368' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/38peWm76l-U?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
<p>Here is a great video on the life cycles of carbon based life on earth.  LEARN from it.  Carbon is the foundation of life on earth it is not a poison.  Who ever sells this idea does so by taking advantage of stupid people.</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/31/canada-ranks-top-bird-killers-wind-turbines-even-close-top/#comment-225873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cigarette lobbyists are now working for fossil fuel companies claiming that climate change is fake.



P.S. I prefer Bill Hicks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cigarette lobbyists are now working for fossil fuel companies claiming that climate change is fake.</p>
<p>P.S. I prefer Bill Hicks.</p>
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