So I’m going to shut down comments. I’m sure there will be plenty of other times to kick this can back and forth.

Now let’s see if this one displays….

What incentive do consumers have to bring back spent batteries?

Where do they presently bring them back to in your area?

How easy is it for the average person to presently do?

Is there a money incentive, or food credit incentive being offered for returning them?

Where do you get your statement, “99% of lead acid batteries are already recycled. ” from?

I just read this tidbit of information: “While lead recycling is a well-established industry, more than 40,000
metric tons (39,000 long tons; 44,000 short tons) ends up in landfills every year. According to the federal Toxic Release Inventory, another 70,000 metric tons (69,000 long tons; 77,000 short tons) are released in
the lead mining and manufacturing process.[16]” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Environmental_concerns and that is only the material that is reported.

So why continue to practice an environmentally disastrous procedure when a much cleaner, simpler version is at hand? And that is, as I said before, what the solar hydrogen economy is all about.

Sure, the hydrogen gas could be more efficiently utilized in a fuel cell. I believe that a basic liquid pistion, 3 hp external heat Stirling engine holds much promise. The pressurized hydrogen (200psi) is carried along in quick release tanks for easy swapping.

But a couple of tanks that are safely filled with 200psi of hydrogen gas sounds a lot less toxic than lugging around batteries, wouldn’t you agree?

And, once again I ask you, what about the intense magnetic fields that radiate from these electric
motors, in which the passengers are literally sitting right next to? What are the long-term health effects of being bathed in an intense magnetic
field while driving? http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/06/health-risks-of-hybrid-cars-have-been-misrepresented-by-the-media.aspx

Furthermore it won’t be easy to extract a battery from an EV, they’re not like starter batteries. The businesses that replace batteries and that scrap cars will be the collection/sales points.

You are not going down to your local auto parts store, pick up a new EV battery, and toss the old one in the alley behind someone else’s house.

However a car’s end of life is heavily legislated – really can’t say it any other way

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/elv_index.htm

http://elvsolutions.org/

Cars are the no1 recycled product in the US. Again, something like 99% of lead acid batteries are already recycled. The same will apply to lithium ion.

Utility companies aren’t going to be dumping their used batteries in the bushes along side country roads.

Solar, concave mirror, steam H2 electrolyzer leaves a large percentage of this toxic waste behind and not created in the first place!

The vehicles have swappable H2 canisters, just like we already do with propane. A simple H2 burner and basic 3 hp Stirling engine. No different procedure with lighting the burner.

Maybe a slower speed means a dedicated ‘slow lane’ for those who want to opt out of the driver’s license, insurance and travel at 25mph top speed.

The major trade-off being energy independence and a minimal amount of toxic material was used in the process.

Something like 99% of the lead-acid batteries from cars (because remember EVERY ICE HAS A BATTERY) are recycled – sulfuric acid, plastic case and lead are fully reused. It’s a government mandated thing. No reason why li-ion can’t have the same fate.

Like I predicted, very few are ready to pay $3000 extra for the BMW i3 range extender.

Chevy Volt is not a best seller car and it has even hard time to compete with Nissan Leaf what has too short range for the most of the people.

Same with electric cars buy now or wait to the price to drop, buy now with 200 mile rage or wait to the 400 mile rage come in 6 year time. How ever we look at it nothing make logic. The only thing I can say is have it now or wait later, any way most people waste money on sports car that are more then $100,000K so what is $5K to most people today around the world, it only those at the bottom end that count such little money.

Solar power will never replace oil.

Everything about Li-ion storage battery is centralized, exotic and toxic. Yes, the prized Li-ion battery is constructed of TOXIC materials, just like its predecessor, the illustrious Ni-Cad, more toxic than mercury, that just quietly went away into the local landfills. No recycling incentives, just one big global environmental disaster.

A recycling incentive? You mean give people money for cleaning the place up where they live?

For the burden to recycle is put on to the consumer, and not financially encouraged by local government. Give money to people who recycle their old batteries? Have a deposit on batteries just like soda bottles. What a concept, eh?

How could people be encouraged to recycle and AUTOMATICALLY start cleaning up their neighborhoods and so forth? By making the stuff that they bring into the recycling station valuable. Have the local government subsidize this instead of paying workers.

People would take pride in their areas where they live and reside. If not, then the ‘Landlord Syndrome’ can set in. “It’s the landlord’s job to fix that, I pay good money to live here!” blah, blah. Same with a country, enter the U.S. governing of the mental.

What sort of recycling program does your exotic battery have ALREADY set up? Is history repeating itself once more with another form of industrial tyranny, the lithium-ion battery running rare earth metal motors?

What about the intense magnetic fields that radiate from these electric motors, which the passengers are literally sitting right next to? What are the long-term health effects of being bathed in an intense magnetic field while driving? http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/06/health-risks-of-hybrid-cars-have-been-misrepresented-by-the-media.aspx

What could be an alternative solution to the upcoming Li-ion pollution?

A solar/hydrogen, Stirling engine-assist hybrid. a trailer-mounted, fold-flat, ‘DUAL-MIRROR Solar Concentrator, http://sdrv.ms/19uwZDD and also this drawing: http://sdrv.ms/16Oa5aa

Lightweight graphite spring cartridges could best be utilized in a ‘regenerative braking’ capture when going down hills! Probably 30% or better of the lost inertia from going up the hill could be regained. http://www.ametekhunterspring.com/

The spring power engine could supplement the human power when needed for smoothing out the hills! http://darinselby.1hwy.com/

Spring power, now made with new materials like graphite. Here is the US PATENT of the best designed wind-up energy storage
device I’ve seen yet! Use it to make electricity, and to make
hydrogen! It could be an individual walking stick, or stacked together with many others for an increased power duration.

Lightweight wind-up graphite spring cassettes that just snap
onto a dynamo/flywheel! No more caustic chemicals involved with storing energy now to produce electricity later.

A stationary-mounted bicycle wheel could be filled with concrete to store kinetic energy in a dual-ratcheting arraignment http://darinselby.1hwy.com/images/dualratchetflywheelgenerator_250x192.jpg

How to even more efficiently change back-and-forth-motion into round-and-round? No problem if you have one of these linear-to-rotary mechanisms: http://www.robives.com/mechanisms/recip

And there are NO BATTERIES that are needed in these processes! This is
making full use of kinetic energy stored in flywheels, levers and
springs, and to also use pendulum gravity-assist designs, http://darinselby.1hwy.com/2stageswinglever03.html

-with the power take-off being a flexible driveshaft, which will easily thread through tight spaces to remotely give rotary power at a distance.

And with a PEM electrolysis system means that the proton exchange membrane eliminates the need for any caustic KOH electrolyte used in the H2O electrolysis process!

I’m now focused upon building another balancing rig, with a hydrogen-powered ‘steam punk’ theme! And, once this next ‘Chariot’ with its H2-1hp Stirling engine hybrid is built, it could become a ROLLING STAGE to generate much more interest and participation! (videos)^ http://darinselby.1hwy.com/videos1.html

Please, do share with me your thoughts, Darin

It’s yet another way to get around the range problem.