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	<title>Comments on: First Supercharger Station Capable Of Serving Every EV Installed In San Diego</title>
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		<title>By: liuping</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-186608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liuping]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree it would be logical for the utilities to install charging stations, but at least in San Diego (and I believe all of CA), they are prohibited by law from providing EV charging stations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it would be logical for the utilities to install charging stations, but at least in San Diego (and I believe all of CA), they are prohibited by law from providing EV charging stations.</p>
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		<title>By: RobS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RobS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My goodness you seem to be almost personally insulted by this, the depth of your reaction is bordering on the bizarre. It&#039;s a business in a very new marketplace, if it has priced itself too high then competitors will enter the marketplace and drive down the prices, if they don&#039;t follow they will fail. Either way it will sort itself out in the end whether you get so personally invested in it or not. Talk of outrage and fleecing all just seems a little hot under the collar for what in the end is fancy extension cord hire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness you seem to be almost personally insulted by this, the depth of your reaction is bordering on the bizarre. It&#8217;s a business in a very new marketplace, if it has priced itself too high then competitors will enter the marketplace and drive down the prices, if they don&#8217;t follow they will fail. Either way it will sort itself out in the end whether you get so personally invested in it or not. Talk of outrage and fleecing all just seems a little hot under the collar for what in the end is fancy extension cord hire.</p>
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		<title>By: RobS</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RobS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You clearly have a far higher regard for the average persons ability to make and execute a plan without error. Not to mention not choosing instant gratification despite delayed consequences. There are whole industries, the one that first comes to mind being payday lenders, whose entire business model is based on taking advantage of people who are unable to make and execute a plan despite a huge financial incentive to doing so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You clearly have a far higher regard for the average persons ability to make and execute a plan without error. Not to mention not choosing instant gratification despite delayed consequences. There are whole industries, the one that first comes to mind being payday lenders, whose entire business model is based on taking advantage of people who are unable to make and execute a plan despite a huge financial incentive to doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The infrequent charging drives my point that the company will go bankrupt because of lack of customers.  There are still very few EVs out there and having them charge only occasionally means a couple orders of magnitude of further reduction of potential customers. Low or utility rate comparable pricing should be the main factor to attract more customers that will be hooked for convenience. These companies don&#039;t get it, so they charged sky high price, giving EV&#039;s a black eye, and they naturally will go bankrupt for lack of &quot;interests&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The infrequent charging drives my point that the company will go bankrupt because of lack of customers.  There are still very few EVs out there and having them charge only occasionally means a couple orders of magnitude of further reduction of potential customers. Low or utility rate comparable pricing should be the main factor to attract more customers that will be hooked for convenience. These companies don&#8217;t get it, so they charged sky high price, giving EV&#8217;s a black eye, and they naturally will go bankrupt for lack of &#8220;interests&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah.  I&#039;d like to see more investigation of on the go inductive charging.  



That, to me, sounds like the best solution.  If it works.


Battery packs could be small, less weight to haul and cheaper to purchase.  Replacing worn out packs would be cheaper.


No stopping to charge, no waiting for a charger or looking for one while traveling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I&#8217;d like to see more investigation of on the go inductive charging.  </p>
<p>That, to me, sounds like the best solution.  If it works.</p>
<p>Battery packs could be small, less weight to haul and cheaper to purchase.  Replacing worn out packs would be cheaper.</p>
<p>No stopping to charge, no waiting for a charger or looking for one while traveling.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a plan. I suspect there will be many &quot;solutions&quot; to the problem. I would like to see a booming economy built around electric stations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a plan. I suspect there will be many &#8220;solutions&#8221; to the problem. I would like to see a booming economy built around electric stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A RT is a bit over 100 miles.  Charging at home is free since I already have surplus solar.  That makes the RT, if I used a $10 rapid charger in town $10.  About the same as fuel for a Prius.

My point is, paying $10 for a rapid charge on the rare occasions most people would need one is not out of line.  It would be more than offset by the large savings done with grid-priced charging.

That said, I don&#039;t see these standalone chargers as the future.  I think they will be used for customer acquisition by restaurants and retailers. There is value in having someone stop in your business parking lot and spend a 20, 30 minutes.  If  you set things up so that they don&#039;t have to rush back to their cars as soon as they are charged then you&#039;re going to have eating and shopping occurring.  Competition for customers will drive costs down lower than $10.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A RT is a bit over 100 miles.  Charging at home is free since I already have surplus solar.  That makes the RT, if I used a $10 rapid charger in town $10.  About the same as fuel for a Prius.</p>
<p>My point is, paying $10 for a rapid charge on the rare occasions most people would need one is not out of line.  It would be more than offset by the large savings done with grid-priced charging.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t see these standalone chargers as the future.  I think they will be used for customer acquisition by restaurants and retailers. There is value in having someone stop in your business parking lot and spend a 20, 30 minutes.  If  you set things up so that they don&#8217;t have to rush back to their cars as soon as they are charged then you&#8217;re going to have eating and shopping occurring.  Competition for customers will drive costs down lower than $10.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By charging super-inflated prices, these companies are giving EV&#039;s a  blackeye that it would cost more to drive an EV in terms of fuel!!! 



What a shame, I hope they go bankrupt sooner for others to learn a lesson.

Believe me, I would cheer for them and heavily promote them if they charge you the national average of $0.12/kWh of recharging. As it is, they are like the plague to be avoided.


The reason why they are going bankrupt is that the two best selling plug-ins would try to avoid them like the plague.  It is a no-brainer for Chevy Volt owners to plug at these expensive stations because they have a choice of going gasoline or going electric, depends on the pricing economics.  The PIP for sure, it would be financial suicide to charge at these stations.  The Tesla is offering free charging at their super charging stations.


That leaves the very desperate Smart EV and the LEAF owners who with their unplanned draw-down of their batteries are forced to be fleeced out by these stations. They will only be used for emergencies. And well, AAA is the solution to that already, and they allow you a few recharging emergencies free of charge if you are a member.



Cheaper prices or bankruptcy, I say. 



It would be better that utilities build these supercharging station, and you can insert your utility card so that you are sent one bill together with your housing electricity rate.  It will never be viable for businesses like this one to prosper and be profitable if they charge a lot higher than the local utility rates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By charging super-inflated prices, these companies are giving EV&#8217;s a  blackeye that it would cost more to drive an EV in terms of fuel!!! </p>
<p>What a shame, I hope they go bankrupt sooner for others to learn a lesson.</p>
<p>Believe me, I would cheer for them and heavily promote them if they charge you the national average of $0.12/kWh of recharging. As it is, they are like the plague to be avoided.</p>
<p>The reason why they are going bankrupt is that the two best selling plug-ins would try to avoid them like the plague.  It is a no-brainer for Chevy Volt owners to plug at these expensive stations because they have a choice of going gasoline or going electric, depends on the pricing economics.  The PIP for sure, it would be financial suicide to charge at these stations.  The Tesla is offering free charging at their super charging stations.</p>
<p>That leaves the very desperate Smart EV and the LEAF owners who with their unplanned draw-down of their batteries are forced to be fleeced out by these stations. They will only be used for emergencies. And well, AAA is the solution to that already, and they allow you a few recharging emergencies free of charge if you are a member.</p>
<p>Cheaper prices or bankruptcy, I say. </p>
<p>It would be better that utilities build these supercharging station, and you can insert your utility card so that you are sent one bill together with your housing electricity rate.  It will never be viable for businesses like this one to prosper and be profitable if they charge a lot higher than the local utility rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent that you mention your favorite LEAF again.  You are coming down the mountain, and so you could get 100 miles perhaps from your home charge. The reality is you won&#039;t get back the 100 miles if you climb up the mountain, no matter if you pay $10 for a full charge, you are lucky to travel back 60 miles up the mountain. You might be paying $200 for the tow truck up the mountain. 


Let us assume a flat terrain on freeway speed, the LEAF range is about 65 miles when you normally go 70 mph. You have full charge left from home, and near zeroed out safely at your destination and recharge with $10.  So your house bill, could be $3 for the forward trip, and then $10 back home from these soon to be bankrupt companies. Your total for the 130 mile roundtrip is $13.  Guess how much will that cost the Prius in gas?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent that you mention your favorite LEAF again.  You are coming down the mountain, and so you could get 100 miles perhaps from your home charge. The reality is you won&#8217;t get back the 100 miles if you climb up the mountain, no matter if you pay $10 for a full charge, you are lucky to travel back 60 miles up the mountain. You might be paying $200 for the tow truck up the mountain. </p>
<p>Let us assume a flat terrain on freeway speed, the LEAF range is about 65 miles when you normally go 70 mph. You have full charge left from home, and near zeroed out safely at your destination and recharge with $10.  So your house bill, could be $3 for the forward trip, and then $10 back home from these soon to be bankrupt companies. Your total for the 130 mile roundtrip is $13.  Guess how much will that cost the Prius in gas?</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell your management to buy and these puppies on the get go and you handle the payment. It would cost you less than $29.95 per month for five years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell your management to buy and these puppies on the get go and you handle the payment. It would cost you less than $29.95 per month for five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185618</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The deals are outrageous. If you buy the equipment on credit and pay $27.62 a month for APR of 4%, it will be over in 5 years. The case here, is that they fleece you out forever. It is bad lease for you but good business for them. But the equipment&#039;s cost of production of the company is far less than $1500 per unit.



If their lease of $29.95 per month comes with free electricity, then that would be reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deals are outrageous. If you buy the equipment on credit and pay $27.62 a month for APR of 4%, it will be over in 5 years. The case here, is that they fleece you out forever. It is bad lease for you but good business for them. But the equipment&#8217;s cost of production of the company is far less than $1500 per unit.</p>
<p>If their lease of $29.95 per month comes with free electricity, then that would be reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at the current reality, the chargers with high prices are being avoided like the plague, and so these companies went bankrupt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the current reality, the chargers with high prices are being avoided like the plague, and so these companies went bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The company overall will fail as it has done so with many other companies that tried to venture into this project. Their model is no different than others because of the price. I hope they learned that if their charging price is not at par with prices of electricity at home, then customers will try to avoid them like the plague. It is only when you have unplanned emergency trips and you desperately need a recharge and there&#039;s nowhere else to go, and only then will you try to recharge at these expensive facilities.  The clue here is really pricing, it is just too much, and nothing beats recharging at home, all the more when wireless charging comes to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The company overall will fail as it has done so with many other companies that tried to venture into this project. Their model is no different than others because of the price. I hope they learned that if their charging price is not at par with prices of electricity at home, then customers will try to avoid them like the plague. It is only when you have unplanned emergency trips and you desperately need a recharge and there&#8217;s nowhere else to go, and only then will you try to recharge at these expensive facilities.  The clue here is really pricing, it is just too much, and nothing beats recharging at home, all the more when wireless charging comes to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is why this company is going to fail. It would be dependent only on desperate people who did not plan their routes very well. Most BEV owners would tend to avoid these places like the plague if they can if the price is a lot higher than what they can get in their house or other locations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why this company is going to fail. It would be dependent only on desperate people who did not plan their routes very well. Most BEV owners would tend to avoid these places like the plague if they can if the price is a lot higher than what they can get in their house or other locations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 10:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty much my whole life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much my whole life.</p>
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		<title>By: RobS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RobS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even that would be more valid because Kleenex owns that trademark, supercharger is not a Tesla trademark and they have absolutely zero right to it&#039;s exclusive use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even that would be more valid because Kleenex owns that trademark, supercharger is not a Tesla trademark and they have absolutely zero right to it&#8217;s exclusive use.</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ivor, what is the problem you have?

Do you get this prissy when ever someone uses the word Kleenex to refer to a non-Kleenex brand facial tissue?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivor, what is the problem you have?</p>
<p>Do you get this prissy when ever someone uses the word Kleenex to refer to a non-Kleenex brand facial tissue?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/07/first-supercharger-station-capable-serving-every-ev-installed-san-diego/#comment-185542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basically allow multiple cars to plug onto the same charger.  First to plug on gets charged first, then auto-switches to second car.

Halfway through the third car it calls the first car owner and gives a ten minute warning.  If the first car isn&#039;t unplugged and moved in a timely manner the owner starts paying serious parking fees.

That would let drivers plug in and do something else rather than sit in line waiting for their turn.  Cost would be low.  Basically a couple more cables and plugs.

Three is just a number.  It could be two or four.  Enough to give people some freedom from sitting around waiting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically allow multiple cars to plug onto the same charger.  First to plug on gets charged first, then auto-switches to second car.</p>
<p>Halfway through the third car it calls the first car owner and gives a ten minute warning.  If the first car isn&#8217;t unplugged and moved in a timely manner the owner starts paying serious parking fees.</p>
<p>That would let drivers plug in and do something else rather than sit in line waiting for their turn.  Cost would be low.  Basically a couple more cables and plugs.</p>
<p>Three is just a number.  It could be two or four.  Enough to give people some freedom from sitting around waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First I&#039;ve heard this Bob. Could you elaborate about the three cables?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I&#8217;ve heard this Bob. Could you elaborate about the three cables?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll repeat - each charger needs about three cables.  That way you could plug in and go away for an hour or so without inconveniencing anyone else. 
And the charger needs to be able to give you a &quot;ten minute warning&quot; to move via cell phone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll repeat &#8211; each charger needs about three cables.  That way you could plug in and go away for an hour or so without inconveniencing anyone else.<br />
And the charger needs to be able to give you a &#8220;ten minute warning&#8221; to move via cell phone.</p>
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