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	<title>Comments on: Solar Subsidies Article in Wall Street Journal Misses The Beat</title>
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		<title>By: Jake R</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-185040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2013 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do installation jobs for coal, natural gas and nuclear count?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do installation jobs for coal, natural gas and nuclear count?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re really twisted, guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re really twisted, guy.</p>
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		<title>By: WPCGreen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WPCGreen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other deniers have made that same argument.

&quot;This is a political document, not a scientific report, and it is a shining example of the corruption of science for political gain. The media has failed to report that the IPCC Summary for Policymakers was not approved by scientists but by UN political delegates and bureaucrats.&quot; - Sen. James Inhofe, 2007]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other deniers have made that same argument.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a political document, not a scientific report, and it is a shining example of the corruption of science for political gain. The media has failed to report that the IPCC Summary for Policymakers was not approved by scientists but by UN political delegates and bureaucrats.&#8221; &#8211; Sen. James Inhofe, 2007</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any chance that you realize that the IPCC report is more of a political document than a scientific one?  (Probably not.)


Every single word in that document has to be signed off on by 116 countries.  That means that the IPCC report reflects the most conservative viewpoint.


&quot;Cause&quot; is what the science says.  There&#039;s small discussion over whether it is a bit less than 100% or 100%.  The problem for those who hold out for less than 100% is that they cannot identify anything which might account for that bit of warming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance that you realize that the IPCC report is more of a political document than a scientific one?  (Probably not.)</p>
<p>Every single word in that document has to be signed off on by 116 countries.  That means that the IPCC report reflects the most conservative viewpoint.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cause&#8221; is what the science says.  There&#8217;s small discussion over whether it is a bit less than 100% or 100%.  The problem for those who hold out for less than 100% is that they cannot identify anything which might account for that bit of warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s just whacky.  I don&#039;t care what the EIA, McKinsey or Bloomberg say, when wind is being contracted all over the country for 4c/kWh and solar is being contracted in the SW for 5c/kWh there&#039;s no way that anyone could bring new coal or new nuclear on line at a competitive price.


If you&#039;re looking at the EIA&#039;s 2018 predictions for wind (8.7c/kWh) and solar (14.4c/kWh) when prices are running half as much in 2013 do you not realize that something is wrong with their numbers?


Take out the subsidies.  Add back in 1.15 c/kWh (10 years of 2.3c/kWh PTC over a 20 year contract).  That makes wind 5c and solar 6c.  And  those prices include real estate costs, taxes, and owner profits which are not included in the EIA 8.7c and 14.4c estimates.



Come on guy.  You made a huge mistake.  Now it&#039;s time to take on new information and straighten out your thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just whacky.  I don&#8217;t care what the EIA, McKinsey or Bloomberg say, when wind is being contracted all over the country for 4c/kWh and solar is being contracted in the SW for 5c/kWh there&#8217;s no way that anyone could bring new coal or new nuclear on line at a competitive price.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking at the EIA&#8217;s 2018 predictions for wind (8.7c/kWh) and solar (14.4c/kWh) when prices are running half as much in 2013 do you not realize that something is wrong with their numbers?</p>
<p>Take out the subsidies.  Add back in 1.15 c/kWh (10 years of 2.3c/kWh PTC over a 20 year contract).  That makes wind 5c and solar 6c.  And  those prices include real estate costs, taxes, and owner profits which are not included in the EIA 8.7c and 14.4c estimates.</p>
<p>Come on guy.  You made a huge mistake.  Now it&#8217;s time to take on new information and straighten out your thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: WPCGreen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WPCGreen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an even clearer line from the IPCC report on the human influence: &quot;It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together.&quot; Not 100%. Again, read the science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an even clearer line from the IPCC report on the human influence: &#8220;It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together.&#8221; Not 100%. Again, read the science.</p>
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		<title>By: WPCGreen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WPCGreen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Read the IPCC report released Friday. They do not say humans get 100% credit. They write &quot;Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean.&quot;

&quot;Influence,&quot; not cause.

 They say this influence is greatest &quot;since the mid-20th century.&quot; Blaming what happened in 1860 on humans is contrary to the IPCC report.

You are a science denier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the IPCC report released Friday. They do not say humans get 100% credit. They write &#8220;Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Influence,&#8221; not cause.</p>
<p> They say this influence is greatest &#8220;since the mid-20th century.&#8221; Blaming what happened in 1860 on humans is contrary to the IPCC report.</p>
<p>You are a science denier.</p>
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		<title>By: WPCGreen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WPCGreen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Energy Information Administration, McKinsey and Bloomberg New Energy Finance (all of whom are linked in my article) show that even when you get &quot;free&quot; fuel from the sun, solar is still far more expensive. It has high labor and material costs. All three of those studies also account for externalities.

Finally, solar advocates always says it is comparable in price, then they immediately demand subsidies. If solar was the same price, it wouldn&#039;t need subsidies.
Either you care about getting the maximum CO2 reduction for the dollar or you don&#039;t. No independent study says solar comes close to other forms of renewables. Claims otherwise are based on wishful, but unscientific, thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Energy Information Administration, McKinsey and Bloomberg New Energy Finance (all of whom are linked in my article) show that even when you get &#8220;free&#8221; fuel from the sun, solar is still far more expensive. It has high labor and material costs. All three of those studies also account for externalities.</p>
<p>Finally, solar advocates always says it is comparable in price, then they immediately demand subsidies. If solar was the same price, it wouldn&#8217;t need subsidies.<br />
Either you care about getting the maximum CO2 reduction for the dollar or you don&#8217;t. No independent study says solar comes close to other forms of renewables. Claims otherwise are based on wishful, but unscientific, thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brunnhilde&#039;s Immolation Scene--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiSra1WAppg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brunnhilde&#8217;s Immolation Scene&#8211;</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='600' height='368' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/MiSra1WAppg?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks for the thorough responses here. I had a wedding on Saturday (my own) and haven&#039;t been able to keep a close eye on comments since the Ukraine trip anyway. Catching up now. Much appreciation for all you wonderful, fact-oriented commenters!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the thorough responses here. I had a wedding on Saturday (my own) and haven&#8217;t been able to keep a close eye on comments since the Ukraine trip anyway. Catching up now. Much appreciation for all you wonderful, fact-oriented commenters!!</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least that would be fun to watch. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least that would be fun to watch. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put. Frankly, it&#039;s not what I enjoy doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put. Frankly, it&#8217;s not what I enjoy doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yep, exactly what i thought when i read that one (before the one referenced above). i just decided to ignore that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, exactly what i thought when i read that one (before the one referenced above). i just decided to ignore that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3 things:

1- you focus on the subsidies given to solar in your piece, but you don&#039;t mention the subsidies given to other energy sources, including externalities. it&#039;s completely unbalanced. if you take these into account elsewhere, that doesn&#039;t make up for the lack of balance here.


2- yes, you rightfully note here eventually that labor cost is not the same as total cost, yet you spend a lot of time talking about how labor cost is higher for solar. that is actually good for our economy. and it&#039;s good that a huge portion of the cost of fossil fuels (fuel) is free and local when it comes to solar. the important thing is to look at total cost, and also the value of the electricity. when you do, solar starts to look very competitive.

3- back to cost, with subsidies, a solar power plant in Arizona is to sell electricity for 5.8 c/kWh. with subsidies, about 10.5 c/kWh. coal would be 10-14 c/kWh with subsides or 19-41 c/kWh without subsidies. natural gas -- highly debatable. wind -- cheaper, but is actually a great complement to solar, more than a competitor.

Furthermore, still, you ignore the point of subsidies -- to drive down technology costs. This is working extremely well with solar power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 things:</p>
<p>1- you focus on the subsidies given to solar in your piece, but you don&#8217;t mention the subsidies given to other energy sources, including externalities. it&#8217;s completely unbalanced. if you take these into account elsewhere, that doesn&#8217;t make up for the lack of balance here.</p>
<p>2- yes, you rightfully note here eventually that labor cost is not the same as total cost, yet you spend a lot of time talking about how labor cost is higher for solar. that is actually good for our economy. and it&#8217;s good that a huge portion of the cost of fossil fuels (fuel) is free and local when it comes to solar. the important thing is to look at total cost, and also the value of the electricity. when you do, solar starts to look very competitive.</p>
<p>3- back to cost, with subsidies, a solar power plant in Arizona is to sell electricity for 5.8 c/kWh. with subsidies, about 10.5 c/kWh. coal would be 10-14 c/kWh with subsides or 19-41 c/kWh without subsidies. natural gas &#8212; highly debatable. wind &#8212; cheaper, but is actually a great complement to solar, more than a competitor.</p>
<p>Furthermore, still, you ignore the point of subsidies &#8212; to drive down technology costs. This is working extremely well with solar power.</p>
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He would probably fail at twerking but he would be better at that than he is on alternative energy analysis.  I think solar is beginning to freak them out because they realize it is the Götterdämmerung of carbon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He would probably fail at twerking but he would be better at that than he is on alternative energy analysis.  I think solar is beginning to freak them out because they realize it is the Götterdämmerung of carbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-184508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HAHA :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-183983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recommend anyone, on either side of this issue, get a copy of the book &quot;Agnotology&quot; and read chapters 3 and 4.  The title is the author&#039;s proposed term for the science of ignorance, the perpetuation of ignorance, and the creation of ignorance.
Chapter 3 discusses the dis-informational campaign the tobacco companies waged against the science indicating smoking caused cancer.  A few specific individuals are mentioned, who wrote articles and posed as scientific researchers, but who&#039;s background was in economics.  Their &quot;pier reviewed&quot; articles were published in bought-and-paid-for journals, also posing as true scientific journals.
Chapter 4 goes into the anti-AGW campaign waged by the fossil fuel companies.  In a couple of cases the exact same individuals, with their economics degrees, began posing as climate scientists and experts.  I guess the same talents for lying and distorting the truth were called for.  It will be interesting to see what history has to say about them.
Todd Myers, alias WPCGreen, you too are creating a place for yourself in infamy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend anyone, on either side of this issue, get a copy of the book &#8220;Agnotology&#8221; and read chapters 3 and 4.  The title is the author&#8217;s proposed term for the science of ignorance, the perpetuation of ignorance, and the creation of ignorance.<br />
Chapter 3 discusses the dis-informational campaign the tobacco companies waged against the science indicating smoking caused cancer.  A few specific individuals are mentioned, who wrote articles and posed as scientific researchers, but who&#8217;s background was in economics.  Their &#8220;pier reviewed&#8221; articles were published in bought-and-paid-for journals, also posing as true scientific journals.<br />
Chapter 4 goes into the anti-AGW campaign waged by the fossil fuel companies.  In a couple of cases the exact same individuals, with their economics degrees, began posing as climate scientists and experts.  I guess the same talents for lying and distorting the truth were called for.  It will be interesting to see what history has to say about them.<br />
Todd Myers, alias WPCGreen, you too are creating a place for yourself in infamy.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-183980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really, you&#039;re going to quote the WSJ here as a source to backup your position?  No other source that might lend some actual credibility.
They are not saying NG isn&#039;t helping right now.  They are saying it will not do enough to reduce CO2 levels causing AGW ...IN THE LONG RUN.  The graphs are clearly showing projected effects from start of power gen out to the end of the first century of use, long term.
NG is being built right now, whether anyone likes this or not, because of obvious economics.  This is cutting down on CO2 (unless accidental release from fractured geo-strata prove to be large) and is helping our economy.  The latter is important to the renewable energy transition too.  This will not continue on in the same way.  NG is not as cheap anywhere else in the world and they will export it in the future.  (Large company money dominates our politics: &quot;Money talks; bs walks&quot;.)  
The price will go up.  There is a cyclic history of cost increases for NG.  Before that happens cheap power storage, using several different technologies will hit the market.  This combined with a continued drop in the cost of solar and wind mean we will not need NG in the fairly near future.  ...and since NG won&#039;t give us the CO2 reductions we need...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, you&#8217;re going to quote the WSJ here as a source to backup your position?  No other source that might lend some actual credibility.<br />
They are not saying NG isn&#8217;t helping right now.  They are saying it will not do enough to reduce CO2 levels causing AGW &#8230;IN THE LONG RUN.  The graphs are clearly showing projected effects from start of power gen out to the end of the first century of use, long term.<br />
NG is being built right now, whether anyone likes this or not, because of obvious economics.  This is cutting down on CO2 (unless accidental release from fractured geo-strata prove to be large) and is helping our economy.  The latter is important to the renewable energy transition too.  This will not continue on in the same way.  NG is not as cheap anywhere else in the world and they will export it in the future.  (Large company money dominates our politics: &#8220;Money talks; bs walks&#8221;.)<br />
The price will go up.  There is a cyclic history of cost increases for NG.  Before that happens cheap power storage, using several different technologies will hit the market.  This combined with a continued drop in the cost of solar and wind mean we will not need NG in the fairly near future.  &#8230;and since NG won&#8217;t give us the CO2 reductions we need&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/25/solar-subsidies-article-wall-street-journal-misses-beat/#comment-183981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now we&#039;re rebuilding some (at least one) 30 year old wind farm.  The old smaller, tired turbines are being taken down and replaced with taller, higher capacity turbines.  Wind farms will probably continue to require refurbishing which will create jobs going forward.

Solar panels, at some point, may get old enough to justify swapping out with new ones.  If 18% panels are down to 80% after 40 years the farm owners may find it profitable to swap them out for much higher output panels and boost the income from the real estate and transmission investment.

An installation boom?  Sure.  But jobs will endure, just at a lower level after the boom.

(It&#039;s likely a 30 year boom.  Who knows what the world will be like in 30 years?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now we&#8217;re rebuilding some (at least one) 30 year old wind farm.  The old smaller, tired turbines are being taken down and replaced with taller, higher capacity turbines.  Wind farms will probably continue to require refurbishing which will create jobs going forward.</p>
<p>Solar panels, at some point, may get old enough to justify swapping out with new ones.  If 18% panels are down to 80% after 40 years the farm owners may find it profitable to swap them out for much higher output panels and boost the income from the real estate and transmission investment.</p>
<p>An installation boom?  Sure.  But jobs will endure, just at a lower level after the boom.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s likely a 30 year boom.  Who knows what the world will be like in 30 years?)</p>
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