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	<title>Comments on: Obama Names Sweden A Model For Energy Policy &#8212; Here&#8217;s Why</title>
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		<title>By: Rory Morris</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/why-obama-just-named-sweden-as-a-model-for-energy-policy/#comment-250283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rory Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama should just fuck off out of Sweden , America are a corporate disease the fucks up everywhere it goes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama should just fuck off out of Sweden , America are a corporate disease the fucks up everywhere it goes</p>
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		<title>By: Aegys87</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/why-obama-just-named-sweden-as-a-model-for-energy-policy/#comment-181611</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is why its great the we are moving towards the EV era, not even hybrids nor NG can solve the oil problem because OIL is the problem, 2014 is going to be an exciting year for EV will quite a few good models coming]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why its great the we are moving towards the EV era, not even hybrids nor NG can solve the oil problem because OIL is the problem, 2014 is going to be an exciting year for EV will quite a few good models coming</p>
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		<title>By: Aegys87</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well thats interesting, Sweden did have a big portion of its power of nuclear, so that is something Obama can learn after all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thats interesting, Sweden did have a big portion of its power of nuclear, so that is something Obama can learn after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: agelbert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;I&gt;I love Sequoias!&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>I love Sequoias!</i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, not all that large a tree.  I see logs that size on trucks all the time.  And I&#039;ve got trees almost that large on my land.



Now here was a big tree....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, not all that large a tree.  I see logs that size on trucks all the time.  And I&#8217;ve got trees almost that large on my land.</p>
<p>Now here was a big tree&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: agelbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agelbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the photo. That was a &lt;b&gt;big&lt;/b&gt; tree. I read somewhere they were once quite common.

I agree we are maturing. I realize greed cannot be eliminated. I just want it to be considered a &lt;I&gt;negative&lt;/I&gt; rather than a positive trait. That way we can rein in the excesses (hopefully).

If not, we are all dead and extremophiles like the tardigrades will inherit the earth.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/tardigrade_eyeofscience_1024.jpg
&lt;b&gt;Water bear (a type of tardigrade)&lt;/b&gt;
The Water Bear is the only tiny life form that has survived hard radiation and the vacuum of space for extended periods without ill effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the photo. That was a <b>big</b> tree. I read somewhere they were once quite common.</p>
<p>I agree we are maturing. I realize greed cannot be eliminated. I just want it to be considered a <i>negative</i> rather than a positive trait. That way we can rein in the excesses (hopefully).</p>
<p>If not, we are all dead and extremophiles like the tardigrades will inherit the earth.</p>
<p><a href="http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/tardigrade_eyeofscience_1024.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/tardigrade_eyeofscience_1024.jpg</a><br />
<b>Water bear (a type of tardigrade)</b><br />
The Water Bear is the only tiny life form that has survived hard radiation and the vacuum of space for extended periods without ill effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/why-obama-just-named-sweden-as-a-model-for-energy-policy/#comment-181525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we&#039;re evolving, but evolution is across generations.


My father&#039;s family traveled to the West Coast sometime early in the 1900s.  It was before my father was born in 1908, but he had brothers several years older than him.


My oldest uncle would talk about how many trees there were &quot;out there&quot; and how we could never cut them all.  He certainly wasn&#039;t a greedy capitalist or anti-environmentalist but someone who grew into adulthood long before we started pushing the limits of our planet.


I&#039;ve evolved within a generation to understand that we have limits and we are pushing up against them.


I suspect people younger than me, especially those under 30 have grown up realizing the limits.  



I don&#039;t think we will stop greed anytime soon.  But I think we can channel it in different directions.  Let those who must get massively wealthy do so off wind turbines, EVs, efficient refrigerators.  And fence them in a little so that those on the bottom get a decent share.


That&#039;s my grandfather on the left.  Perhaps dropping trees the way they did back then they wouldn&#039;t have ever cut them all....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re evolving, but evolution is across generations.</p>
<p>My father&#8217;s family traveled to the West Coast sometime early in the 1900s.  It was before my father was born in 1908, but he had brothers several years older than him.</p>
<p>My oldest uncle would talk about how many trees there were &#8220;out there&#8221; and how we could never cut them all.  He certainly wasn&#8217;t a greedy capitalist or anti-environmentalist but someone who grew into adulthood long before we started pushing the limits of our planet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve evolved within a generation to understand that we have limits and we are pushing up against them.</p>
<p>I suspect people younger than me, especially those under 30 have grown up realizing the limits.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we will stop greed anytime soon.  But I think we can channel it in different directions.  Let those who must get massively wealthy do so off wind turbines, EVs, efficient refrigerators.  And fence them in a little so that those on the bottom get a decent share.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my grandfather on the left.  Perhaps dropping trees the way they did back then they wouldn&#8217;t have ever cut them all&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: agelbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agelbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True. 

The quote came from Dilworth&#039;s peer reviewed book, &quot;Too smart for our own good&quot;.

He has a larger theme than simply the energy use of &lt;I&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/I&gt;.

He makes many points but his main issue is that techno-fixes to energy needs have &lt;b&gt;always&lt;/b&gt; backfired because, instead of the population and infrastructure making use of new technologies and efficiencies to live symbiotically with the biosphere, we instead continue our parasitic behavior with nature and each other.

He may be right. However, I have hopes that a paradigm shift is in the works and we are maturing as a species and will soon stop shooting ourselves in the environmental foot. 

The &quot;ism&quot; involved isn&#039;t the problem; it&#039;s the rampant, conscience free greed celebrated over cooperation and altruism. If we do not put the kibosh on parasitic greed, we perish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. </p>
<p>The quote came from Dilworth&#8217;s peer reviewed book, &#8220;Too smart for our own good&#8221;.</p>
<p>He has a larger theme than simply the energy use of <i>Homo sapiens</i>.</p>
<p>He makes many points but his main issue is that techno-fixes to energy needs have <b>always</b> backfired because, instead of the population and infrastructure making use of new technologies and efficiencies to live symbiotically with the biosphere, we instead continue our parasitic behavior with nature and each other.</p>
<p>He may be right. However, I have hopes that a paradigm shift is in the works and we are maturing as a species and will soon stop shooting ourselves in the environmental foot. </p>
<p>The &#8220;ism&#8221; involved isn&#8217;t the problem; it&#8217;s the rampant, conscience free greed celebrated over cooperation and altruism. If we do not put the kibosh on parasitic greed, we perish.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you want to differentiate between all capitalists and some capitalists.  Some economists hold that war, while it may enrich a subset, it lowers overall profits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you want to differentiate between all capitalists and some capitalists.  Some economists hold that war, while it may enrich a subset, it lowers overall profits.</p>
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		<title>By: agelbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agelbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. And the two (fossil fuel energy use percentage and a large military), are intimately connected through massive hidden subsides to the fossil fuel investor stockholders in the form of &quot;defense and national security&quot; (&lt;I&gt;&lt;b&gt;for fossil fuel corporations, not the American public&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/b&gt;).

  Jump on the way back machine and go back to that war you thought worked out just great for the USA, the first Iraq war back in 1991. Read what this &lt;b&gt;&lt;I&gt;peer reviewed book&lt;/I&gt;&lt;b&gt; (for those who disagree with the data, that means the facts are not disputable) quote by Dilworth has to say about how we-the-people have been suckered big time for many decades.

Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition. 

&quot;As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area. Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself. 

In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in &lt;b&gt;&lt;I&gt;ONE YEAR &lt;/I&gt;&lt;/b&gt; at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields,&lt;b&gt; THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL&lt;/b&gt; from the Middle East. 

So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a&lt;I&gt; cost&lt;/I&gt; the  American &lt;I&gt;taxpayers&lt;/I&gt; had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only&lt;I&gt; profits&lt;/I&gt; for American capitalists. &quot;

&lt;I&gt;Note: I added the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.&lt;/I&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. And the two (fossil fuel energy use percentage and a large military), are intimately connected through massive hidden subsides to the fossil fuel investor stockholders in the form of &#8220;defense and national security&#8221; (<i><b>for fossil fuel corporations, not the American public</b></i>).</p>
<p>  Jump on the way back machine and go back to that war you thought worked out just great for the USA, the first Iraq war back in 1991. Read what this <b><i>peer reviewed book</i></b><b> (for those who disagree with the data, that means the facts are not disputable) quote by Dilworth has to say about how we-the-people have been suckered big time for many decades.</p>
<p>Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition. </p>
<p>&#8220;As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area. Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself. </p>
<p>In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in </b><b><i>ONE YEAR </i></b> at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields,<b> THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL</b> from the Middle East. </p>
<p>So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a<i> cost</i> the  American <i>taxpayers</i> had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only<i> profits</i> for American capitalists. &#8221;</p>
<p><i>Note: I added the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another big difference between Sweden and US. Is the portion of GDP is spent on military. Sweden(1.3%) US(4.8%). The US spend more on military than the next 13 largest spenders combined. This is a big drain on the US, and not just in dollars, but in talent. It eats up many talented scientist and engineers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another big difference between Sweden and US. Is the portion of GDP is spent on military. Sweden(1.3%) US(4.8%). The US spend more on military than the next 13 largest spenders combined. This is a big drain on the US, and not just in dollars, but in talent. It eats up many talented scientist and engineers.</p>
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