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		<title>By: hljmesa</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-178029</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People said that about cell phones too.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People said that about cell phones too.  <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-178003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually these cars would make wonderful taxis if their base were next to a supercharger. Unlimited free mileage for 8 years under a 100% warranty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually these cars would make wonderful taxis if their base were next to a supercharger. Unlimited free mileage for 8 years under a 100% warranty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-178002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually Bob isn&#039;t a thin-skinned fascist. Just smart and able to discern details that allude many...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Bob isn&#8217;t a thin-skinned fascist. Just smart and able to discern details that allude many&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Volt is just another overpriced piece of junk. Buzz off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Volt is just another overpriced piece of junk. Buzz off.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hue</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Hue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chevy Volt does what you want. EV mode for daily commuting (~40 miles, * 2 if you recharge at work) and unlimited range on the ICE extender, without compromising performance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chevy Volt does what you want. EV mode for daily commuting (~40 miles, * 2 if you recharge at work) and unlimited range on the ICE extender, without compromising performance.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blah, blah, blah.....call me when you have something I can use. Until then, get lost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah&#8230;..call me when you have something I can use. Until then, get lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[20 years from now we&#039;ll just wave as we drive by in our EVs and you&#039;re walking along the side of the road with an empty gas can looking for one of the last few gallons of fuel on the market....  ;o)


GM is currently testing an EV battery that should give 180 mile or better range.  If it continues to test well we&#039;re looking a short time to great range.  And there are other batteries coming out of the lab.



&lt;20, 90% recharging is already what happens in a Level 3 charger.  Can&#039;t rapid charge the last 10% without damaging the battery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 years from now we&#8217;ll just wave as we drive by in our EVs and you&#8217;re walking along the side of the road with an empty gas can looking for one of the last few gallons of fuel on the market&#8230;.  ;o)</p>
<p>GM is currently testing an EV battery that should give 180 mile or better range.  If it continues to test well we&#8217;re looking a short time to great range.  And there are other batteries coming out of the lab.</p>
<p>&lt;20, 90% recharging is already what happens in a Level 3 charger.  Can&#039;t rapid charge the last 10% without damaging the battery.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[180 mile range???? And 20 minutes stops? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me in 20 years, when you&#039;re no longer peddling junk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>180 mile range???? And 20 minutes stops? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me in 20 years, when you&#8217;re no longer peddling junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We could flood the market with oil and gas which might bring down prices for a little while.  But we&#039;ve pretty much run out of cheap to extract and refine oil.  All we would do would be to enjoy cheaper prices for a while and then zoom to much higher prices.
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You are correct that right now, at this specific point in time, you can drive all day in a gasmobile with only a single stop for fuel.  You can  do the same only in the Tesla EV and you&#039;ll have to take a longer time to recharge.  But that&#039;s not likely the future of EVs.


We soon should have ~180 mile range EVs that will recharge 90% in &lt; 20 minutes.  That means the ability to drive over 500 miles with two modest stops.  About the same number one is going to take driving a gasmobile.  (One for fuel, one for food.)


If someone drives 500 miles every day that extra charging time might be something they wouldn&#039;t want to do.  But for most people the much lower &#039;per mile&#039; cost of driving an EV would more than make up for the slight inconvenience.


If you&#039;re saving thousands of dollars on fuel and maintenance then stopping a bit more for charging, or even renting a gasmobile, is a reasonable tradeoff.



Perhaps  you aren&#039;t old enough to remember the 1980s and early personal computers.  They were amazing slow and horribly expensive compared to today&#039;s computers.  The same holds for cell phones, digital cameras, and other new technologies.  They start out limited and expensive and they improve as their prices drop.


It&#039;s valid for you to say that none of today&#039;s EVs meet your needs.  None of them meet mine.  But to assume that tomorrow&#039;s EVs won&#039;t be better and cheaper would be setting yourself up for failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could flood the market with oil and gas which might bring down prices for a little while.  But we&#8217;ve pretty much run out of cheap to extract and refine oil.  All we would do would be to enjoy cheaper prices for a while and then zoom to much higher prices.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>You are correct that right now, at this specific point in time, you can drive all day in a gasmobile with only a single stop for fuel.  You can  do the same only in the Tesla EV and you&#8217;ll have to take a longer time to recharge.  But that&#8217;s not likely the future of EVs.</p>
<p>We soon should have ~180 mile range EVs that will recharge 90% in &lt; 20 minutes.  That means the ability to drive over 500 miles with two modest stops.  About the same number one is going to take driving a gasmobile.  (One for fuel, one for food.)</p>
<p>If someone drives 500 miles every day that extra charging time might be something they wouldn&#039;t want to do.  But for most people the much lower &#039;per mile&#039; cost of driving an EV would more than make up for the slight inconvenience.</p>
<p>If you&#039;re saving thousands of dollars on fuel and maintenance then stopping a bit more for charging, or even renting a gasmobile, is a reasonable tradeoff.</p>
<p>Perhaps  you aren&#039;t old enough to remember the 1980s and early personal computers.  They were amazing slow and horribly expensive compared to today&#039;s computers.  The same holds for cell phones, digital cameras, and other new technologies.  They start out limited and expensive and they improve as their prices drop.</p>
<p>It&#039;s valid for you to say that none of today&#039;s EVs meet your needs.  None of them meet mine.  But to assume that tomorrow&#039;s EVs won&#039;t be better and cheaper would be setting yourself up for failure.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The solution to $3.50 gas is simple: open up our oil and natural gas reserves. THAT will  make everybody&#039;s life better. Not trying to foist a pile of junk on everybody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution to $3.50 gas is simple: open up our oil and natural gas reserves. THAT will  make everybody&#8217;s life better. Not trying to foist a pile of junk on everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, no one is going to force you to give up your gasmobile.  



If you&#039;d rather spend more money per mile, that&#039;s your decision.  If you&#039;d rather stop at gas stations to fill up than plug in at night or park over a wireless charger, again, your decision.


None of us really care what you drive.  You and burn piles of $100 bills if it makes you happy.  Everyone needs a hobby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no one is going to force you to give up your gasmobile.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;d rather spend more money per mile, that&#8217;s your decision.  If you&#8217;d rather stop at gas stations to fill up than plug in at night or park over a wireless charger, again, your decision.</p>
<p>None of us really care what you drive.  You and burn piles of $100 bills if it makes you happy.  Everyone needs a hobby.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t take the heat. End of story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t take the heat. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you would like to hang out here and discuss cleantech issues you are welcome.


If you want to play bad-boy and engage in name calling you will be banned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you would like to hang out here and discuss cleantech issues you are welcome.</p>
<p>If you want to play bad-boy and engage in name calling you will be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typical libturd: drives a hybrid/EV to the airport where he/she jumps into a private corporate jet, which guzzles more gas in a one way coast to coast trip than a full sized SUV does in a year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical libturd: drives a hybrid/EV to the airport where he/she jumps into a private corporate jet, which guzzles more gas in a one way coast to coast trip than a full sized SUV does in a year.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d rather keep on driving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather keep on driving.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, please. Knock it off already. I&#039;ll NEVER buy a POS EV, unless they can give me 420 miles per charge (which my car USED to before the ethanol mandate), and I can charge it in 5 minutes, like I can do with my gas-powered car.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please. Knock it off already. I&#8217;ll NEVER buy a POS EV, unless they can give me 420 miles per charge (which my car USED to before the ethanol mandate), and I can charge it in 5 minutes, like I can do with my gas-powered car.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177788</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other words, he&#039;s a thin-skinned fascist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, he&#8217;s a thin-skinned fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comments that have something to do with the conversation are left.


Comments that are not related to the conversation are often tossed in the trash by the housekeeper.


The housekeeper is also not tolerant of all-caps posts and gratuitous name calling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments that have something to do with the conversation are left.</p>
<p>Comments that are not related to the conversation are often tossed in the trash by the housekeeper.</p>
<p>The housekeeper is also not tolerant of all-caps posts and gratuitous name calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/top-electric-car-cities-us/#comment-177774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s do some simple math...


To use us a set of EV batteries in 5 years would mean driving at least 20,000 miles a year, 100,000 miles total.


In a 25 MPG gasmobile you&#039;d spend $14,360 for gas at $3.59/gallon.


In a 50 MPG hybrid you&#039;d spend $7,180 for gas at $3.59/gallon.


100,000 miles in an EV would cost you $3,900 for electricity at $0.13/kWh.


So $3,280, minimum, more for fuel for a hybrid.  Add in 20? oil changes at $30, $600? And an extra brake rebuild along with all the other routine maintenance costs for the gasmobile and you&#039;re well over $4,000.


High mileage drivers, people who put on more than the average 13k per year are the ones who really benefit from driving electrics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s do some simple math&#8230;</p>
<p>To use us a set of EV batteries in 5 years would mean driving at least 20,000 miles a year, 100,000 miles total.</p>
<p>In a 25 MPG gasmobile you&#8217;d spend $14,360 for gas at $3.59/gallon.</p>
<p>In a 50 MPG hybrid you&#8217;d spend $7,180 for gas at $3.59/gallon.</p>
<p>100,000 miles in an EV would cost you $3,900 for electricity at $0.13/kWh.</p>
<p>So $3,280, minimum, more for fuel for a hybrid.  Add in 20? oil changes at $30, $600? And an extra brake rebuild along with all the other routine maintenance costs for the gasmobile and you&#8217;re well over $4,000.</p>
<p>High mileage drivers, people who put on more than the average 13k per year are the ones who really benefit from driving electrics.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative hispanic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative hispanic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. At least 3 comments of mine have been deleted since last night, since I&#039;m not an EV zombie. Shows how &quot;tolerant&quot; the scumbags running this site really are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. At least 3 comments of mine have been deleted since last night, since I&#8217;m not an EV zombie. Shows how &#8220;tolerant&#8221; the scumbags running this site really are.</p>
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