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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-217017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a company that was making stick on thin film solar for raised seam metal roofs but they went out of business.

I&#039;ve been watching for them as well.  But steel roof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a company that was making stick on thin film solar for raised seam metal roofs but they went out of business.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been watching for them as well.  But steel roof.</p>
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		<title>By: shinyhalo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shinyhalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The solution I am waiting for is simply an affordable adhesive backed thin film about 16 inches wide that I can roll out on my aluminum roof. The peaks that join the sheets of roofing further prevent wind lifting. It would be perfect. Wire them at the apex of the roof via the vent so the wires are hidden too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution I am waiting for is simply an affordable adhesive backed thin film about 16 inches wide that I can roll out on my aluminum roof. The peaks that join the sheets of roofing further prevent wind lifting. It would be perfect. Wire them at the apex of the roof via the vent so the wires are hidden too.</p>
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		<title>By: eject</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eject]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that sort of really cheap throw away PV is imho more laid out to be used instead of batteries in small devices like remote controls. It could also replace the need for stand by power for many appliances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that sort of really cheap throw away PV is imho more laid out to be used instead of batteries in small devices like remote controls. It could also replace the need for stand by power for many appliances.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Casey,
I like your articles.  You pick up on neat renewable stuff and have some interesting insights to offer.  I do have a nit-pick here.  The title says &quot;How low can solar go?&quot;, but there is no information on EMPA&#039;s projected PV panel production cost or price on the market.  After all what does &quot;lower cost&quot; mean?  As my father used to say: &quot;everything in this life is relative.&quot;  Lower than what?  No offense intended, just a nit-pick.
sorry,
mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Casey,<br />
I like your articles.  You pick up on neat renewable stuff and have some interesting insights to offer.  I do have a nit-pick here.  The title says &#8220;How low can solar go?&#8221;, but there is no information on EMPA&#8217;s projected PV panel production cost or price on the market.  After all what does &#8220;lower cost&#8221; mean?  As my father used to say: &#8220;everything in this life is relative.&#8221;  Lower than what?  No offense intended, just a nit-pick.<br />
sorry,<br />
mike</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point.  I&#039;m thinking you can protect plastics from UV degradation, or use plastics that are more resistant to this.  Maybe not.  Maybe the answer is
There is more of a problem than this with flexible PV in general.  Let&#039;s say you successfully manufacture roll-to-roll thin-film PV with 15% efficiency at $0.30/W.  (The goal Nanosolar promised, but never achieved with CIGS.)  Then what?  The big market, the most cost effective, is distributed end-of-grid solar for businesses and homes, residential.  How do you mount those flexible PV sheets onto roofs?  There have been several CIGS companies with flexible PV that failed to thrive.  I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve thought it all through for successful application in the field.  Same here.  Hand waving.  A system engineering solution is needed and maybe there isn&#039;t one for flexible thin-film ...or maybe there is.  I haven&#039;t seen this yet.
Maybe the answer is roll-to-roll and then onto sheets of solar glass, for very low-cost panel production.  Then even at $0.30/W you&#039;d better be pushing for 20% efficiency soon, because that is were silicon PV is going ...and maybe they can get down to $0.30/W too.
It remains a very interesting contest.  The winners will own a huge market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  I&#8217;m thinking you can protect plastics from UV degradation, or use plastics that are more resistant to this.  Maybe not.  Maybe the answer is<br />
There is more of a problem than this with flexible PV in general.  Let&#8217;s say you successfully manufacture roll-to-roll thin-film PV with 15% efficiency at $0.30/W.  (The goal Nanosolar promised, but never achieved with CIGS.)  Then what?  The big market, the most cost effective, is distributed end-of-grid solar for businesses and homes, residential.  How do you mount those flexible PV sheets onto roofs?  There have been several CIGS companies with flexible PV that failed to thrive.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve thought it all through for successful application in the field.  Same here.  Hand waving.  A system engineering solution is needed and maybe there isn&#8217;t one for flexible thin-film &#8230;or maybe there is.  I haven&#8217;t seen this yet.<br />
Maybe the answer is roll-to-roll and then onto sheets of solar glass, for very low-cost panel production.  Then even at $0.30/W you&#8217;d better be pushing for 20% efficiency soon, because that is were silicon PV is going &#8230;and maybe they can get down to $0.30/W too.<br />
It remains a very interesting contest.  The winners will own a huge market.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/First-Solar-Advances-162-MW-of-Unsubsidized-Solar-in-Chile  - July 2013
“First Solar Advances 162 MW of Unsubsidized Solar in Chile”
&quot;First Solar shipped 370 megawatts in Q1, down sequentially and year-to-year, amounting to a 75 percent factory utilization. Best cost was $0.62 per watt, but the
company average was $0.69 per watt. The best line is running at 13.3 percent efficiency, and the company claimed that the best line would be at 14 percent by year-end after incorporating improved back-contact technology.&quot;  I don&#039;t count claims like &quot;14 percent by year-end&quot; or 15% by 2015 until they happen.

CdTe and CIGS were the savior PV technologies when purified silicon prices were high five years ago, or so.  It is now hard to see how they will best the cost-efficiency performance combination of silicon.  Silicon PV panels are now down to $0.70/W and are reportedly headed to $0.50/W.  Some Silicon PV panels are already at 20% efficiency.  If silicon PV companies can achieve $0.50/W and 20% efficiency by 2015, then I&#039;m not sure how CdTe or CIGS PV companies will compete.

Here is another link on FSLR that provides a different view:
http://www.pv-tech.org/news/first_solar_to_manufacture_new_crystalline_silicon_line_from_end_of_2014   - August 2013
“First Solar to manufacture new crystalline silicon line from end of 2014”          

“First Solar will start a 100MW manufacturing line for crystalline silicon cells for the residential distributed
market from the end of next year with production scaling from 2015, it was revealed yesterday.”          “In May this year, the leader in thin film CdTe acquired the lower-cost, high efficiency crystalline silicon startup founded in 2009 by Denis de Ceuster after 12 years at Sunpower.”          “By
2017, distributed residential and commercial generation is expected to account for more than half of the market [see slide 1], a lucrative, growing market that is more suited to higher efficiency crystalline technologies than thin film which typically require larger installation areas.”
&quot; ‘Obviously the motivation is very clear,’ said de Ceuster, who is now director of research and development of
c-Si at First Solar. ‘First Solar&#039;s CdTe technology has been
dominating the market for utility scale and large commercial applications. That technology isn&#039;t suitable for residential or small commercial - that&#039;s half the global market.’ “
“Tetrasun has achieved a third party confirmed efficiency of 21.4% [see slide 2] with its n-type silicon cells and aims to achieve these efficiencies again when the 100MW capacity production starts in the last quarter of 2014. Metal
fingers and busbars are copper-plated reducing metallisation costs to $0.01/Wp as opposed to costly silver paste.”

I think they are ramping their newly acquired low-cost and high-efficiency silicon PV production too slowly, like a big company afraid to gamble on a new tech, but what do I know?  They may be right to be cautious.  One thing I do know is solar PV is getting so cheap, and that is already set to continue for a few more years at a minimum, so demand is going to rebound in a big way and we will actually go into an over-demand, under-supply market for solar PV.  (The market expands exponentially with a linear drop in price.)  Maybe all of them, CdTe, CIGS, and Silicon PV, will be selling out by 2015?  PV panels are cheap now.  It is more about bringing the soft costs, installation and other BOS costs, down now.  High efficiency is a factor, but....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/First-Solar-Advances-162-MW-of-Unsubsidized-Solar-in-Chile" rel="nofollow">http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/First-Solar-Advances-162-MW-of-Unsubsidized-Solar-in-Chile</a>  &#8211; July 2013<br />
“First Solar Advances 162 MW of Unsubsidized Solar in Chile”<br />
&#8220;First Solar shipped 370 megawatts in Q1, down sequentially and year-to-year, amounting to a 75 percent factory utilization. Best cost was $0.62 per watt, but the<br />
company average was $0.69 per watt. The best line is running at 13.3 percent efficiency, and the company claimed that the best line would be at 14 percent by year-end after incorporating improved back-contact technology.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t count claims like &#8220;14 percent by year-end&#8221; or 15% by 2015 until they happen.</p>
<p>CdTe and CIGS were the savior PV technologies when purified silicon prices were high five years ago, or so.  It is now hard to see how they will best the cost-efficiency performance combination of silicon.  Silicon PV panels are now down to $0.70/W and are reportedly headed to $0.50/W.  Some Silicon PV panels are already at 20% efficiency.  If silicon PV companies can achieve $0.50/W and 20% efficiency by 2015, then I&#8217;m not sure how CdTe or CIGS PV companies will compete.</p>
<p>Here is another link on FSLR that provides a different view:<br />
<a href="http://www.pv-tech.org/news/first_solar_to_manufacture_new_crystalline_silicon_line_from_end_of_2014" rel="nofollow">http://www.pv-tech.org/news/first_solar_to_manufacture_new_crystalline_silicon_line_from_end_of_2014</a>   &#8211; August 2013<br />
“First Solar to manufacture new crystalline silicon line from end of 2014”          </p>
<p>“First Solar will start a 100MW manufacturing line for crystalline silicon cells for the residential distributed<br />
market from the end of next year with production scaling from 2015, it was revealed yesterday.”          “In May this year, the leader in thin film CdTe acquired the lower-cost, high efficiency crystalline silicon startup founded in 2009 by Denis de Ceuster after 12 years at Sunpower.”          “By<br />
2017, distributed residential and commercial generation is expected to account for more than half of the market [see slide 1], a lucrative, growing market that is more suited to higher efficiency crystalline technologies than thin film which typically require larger installation areas.”<br />
&#8221; ‘Obviously the motivation is very clear,’ said de Ceuster, who is now director of research and development of<br />
c-Si at First Solar. ‘First Solar&#8217;s CdTe technology has been<br />
dominating the market for utility scale and large commercial applications. That technology isn&#8217;t suitable for residential or small commercial &#8211; that&#8217;s half the global market.’ “<br />
“Tetrasun has achieved a third party confirmed efficiency of 21.4% [see slide 2] with its n-type silicon cells and aims to achieve these efficiencies again when the 100MW capacity production starts in the last quarter of 2014. Metal<br />
fingers and busbars are copper-plated reducing metallisation costs to $0.01/Wp as opposed to costly silver paste.”</p>
<p>I think they are ramping their newly acquired low-cost and high-efficiency silicon PV production too slowly, like a big company afraid to gamble on a new tech, but what do I know?  They may be right to be cautious.  One thing I do know is solar PV is getting so cheap, and that is already set to continue for a few more years at a minimum, so demand is going to rebound in a big way and we will actually go into an over-demand, under-supply market for solar PV.  (The market expands exponentially with a linear drop in price.)  Maybe all of them, CdTe, CIGS, and Silicon PV, will be selling out by 2015?  PV panels are cheap now.  It is more about bringing the soft costs, installation and other BOS costs, down now.  High efficiency is a factor, but&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found a better explanation over here :
http://www.solardaily.com/reports/Empa_scientists_boost_CdTe_solar_cell_efficiency_999.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a better explanation over here :<br />
<a href="http://www.solardaily.com/reports/Empa_scientists_boost_CdTe_solar_cell_efficiency_999.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.solardaily.com/reports/Empa_scientists_boost_CdTe_solar_cell_efficiency_999.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My take is that it isn&#039;t.  At least right now.  It may offer a better path to cheaper solar, we&#039;ll have to wait and see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take is that it isn&#8217;t.  At least right now.  It may offer a better path to cheaper solar, we&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how is the PV in the article batter than that of First Solar? I still don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how is the PV in the article batter than that of First Solar? I still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: J_JamesM</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J_JamesM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not exactly. The aircraft is still gets over 50% of its lift from aerodynamics (the wind passing over the delta-shaped hull), so if you shut off the engines and even if you take everything off, it&#039;ll still just stay on the ground.

The helium lift is there in order to enhance the bushplane&#039;s performance. The top surface is the only thing big enough to hold the amount of solar cells needed to drastically increase the bushplane&#039;s range, the dual sources of lift and reduced structural weight increases payload about five-fold, and the helium lift also reduces the aircraft&#039;s stall speed to practically nothing- giving it terrific short takeoff and landing (STOL) performance, which is coveted by bushplanes. Really, the balloon was only a cheap, pragmatic solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly. The aircraft is still gets over 50% of its lift from aerodynamics (the wind passing over the delta-shaped hull), so if you shut off the engines and even if you take everything off, it&#8217;ll still just stay on the ground.</p>
<p>The helium lift is there in order to enhance the bushplane&#8217;s performance. The top surface is the only thing big enough to hold the amount of solar cells needed to drastically increase the bushplane&#8217;s range, the dual sources of lift and reduced structural weight increases payload about five-fold, and the helium lift also reduces the aircraft&#8217;s stall speed to practically nothing- giving it terrific short takeoff and landing (STOL) performance, which is coveted by bushplanes. Really, the balloon was only a cheap, pragmatic solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FS has demonstrated 16.2% efficiency and has set a target of 15% to 16.2% for its panels in 2015.

Here&#039;s what they state on their web site...

World-record holder for CdTe thin film module (14.4%) and cell (18.7%) efficiency 

Manufacturing cost leader at $.68/watt (Q4 2012)

http://www.firstsolar.com/en/Innovation/Advanced-Thin-Film-Modules]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FS has demonstrated 16.2% efficiency and has set a target of 15% to 16.2% for its panels in 2015.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what they state on their web site&#8230;</p>
<p>World-record holder for CdTe thin film module (14.4%) and cell (18.7%) efficiency </p>
<p>Manufacturing cost leader at $.68/watt (Q4 2012)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstsolar.com/en/Innovation/Advanced-Thin-Film-Modules" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstsolar.com/en/Innovation/Advanced-Thin-Film-Modules</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct.  And I suspect few people realize it was a solar water heater, not PV.

Greentech Media has an interesting piece about the WH and solar.  PV was mounted on one of the White House buildings during G W Bush&#039;s term.  

&quot;Then, nine months after the start of the W. administration, Strong 
visited the site and spent the entire day with the White House 
architect. They looked at all the potential siting opportunities, 
excepting the main mansion, which is &quot;covered with spook stuff.&quot;  Strong
 ended up helping design and install a 10-kilowatt photovoltaic system 
and two thermal solar systems within the compound.  All the inverters 
had to go to the Secret Service warehouse for clearance, presumably for 
inspection for listening devices and explosives.&quot;

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/White-House-Finally-Getting-Solar-Panels]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct.  And I suspect few people realize it was a solar water heater, not PV.</p>
<p>Greentech Media has an interesting piece about the WH and solar.  PV was mounted on one of the White House buildings during G W Bush&#8217;s term.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Then, nine months after the start of the W. administration, Strong<br />
visited the site and spent the entire day with the White House<br />
architect. They looked at all the potential siting opportunities,<br />
excepting the main mansion, which is &#8220;covered with spook stuff.&#8221;  Strong<br />
 ended up helping design and install a 10-kilowatt photovoltaic system<br />
and two thermal solar systems within the compound.  All the inverters<br />
had to go to the Secret Service warehouse for clearance, presumably for<br />
inspection for listening devices and explosives.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/White-House-Finally-Getting-Solar-Panels" rel="nofollow">http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/White-House-Finally-Getting-Solar-Panels</a></p>
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		<title>By: JamesWimberley</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JamesWimberley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sharp sell solar windows already using conventional silicon technology. Don´t swallow the hype that thin films are the only route to low costs. What´s happening today is that they are being squeezed out. Flexibility is just a niche.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharp sell solar windows already using conventional silicon technology. Don´t swallow the hype that thin films are the only route to low costs. What´s happening today is that they are being squeezed out. Flexibility is just a niche.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesWimberley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JamesWimberley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jimy Carter´s solar panels were thermal water heaters, not PV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimy Carter´s solar panels were thermal water heaters, not PV.</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t electroplating in certain circumstances also achieve: &quot;precise control over the amount of copper added to the CdTe layer&quot; ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t electroplating in certain circumstances also achieve: &#8220;precise control over the amount of copper added to the CdTe layer&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we won&#039;t know till it&#039;s being mass produced. (it&#039;s only a prototype).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we won&#8217;t know till it&#8217;s being mass produced. (it&#8217;s only a prototype).</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For certain applications it may still be worth it. But will it lead to mass produced cells that of cheaper than the similar CdTe cells of First Solar or are the more efficient than those of First Solar. (can&#039;t remember FS&#039;s efficiency). Would be nice if the author included a comparison like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For certain applications it may still be worth it. But will it lead to mass produced cells that of cheaper than the similar CdTe cells of First Solar or are the more efficient than those of First Solar. (can&#8217;t remember FS&#8217;s efficiency). Would be nice if the author included a comparison like this.</p>
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		<title>By: anti_banker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti_banker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting idea!!! With an inflatable balloon, you don&#039;t need any power in order to gain the lift that you need. (unlike with regular planes, or helicopters). You only need power (electrical motor/fan, or chemical ICE) to go forwards, or backwards. Thin film solar would be ideal if cheap enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea!!! With an inflatable balloon, you don&#8217;t need any power in order to gain the lift that you need. (unlike with regular planes, or helicopters). You only need power (electrical motor/fan, or chemical ICE) to go forwards, or backwards. Thin film solar would be ideal if cheap enough.</p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/16/empa-develops-new-low-cost-solar-cell/#comment-177008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Bob. Should have known it was too good to be true! I got carried away by the headline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob. Should have known it was too good to be true! I got carried away by the headline.</p>
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