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	<title>Comments on: Indian State Plans 10 MW Canal-top Solar Power Project</title>
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		<title>By: Vm</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-232135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[india is doing it right. it builds both nuclear power plants and renewable power plants. that is the fastest way to wean ourselves off fossil fuels]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>india is doing it right. it builds both nuclear power plants and renewable power plants. that is the fastest way to wean ourselves off fossil fuels</p>
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		<title>By: PPK (www.cenergymaxpower.com)</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-225260</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2014 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omega Centauri, you are absolutely right about that! As per my information, the cost of civil work was higher than the actual solar PV power plant. However, Mr. Narendra Modi did it anyway, more as a showcase project (it is one of its kind) rather than for its economic feasibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omega Centauri, you are absolutely right about that! As per my information, the cost of civil work was higher than the actual solar PV power plant. However, Mr. Narendra Modi did it anyway, more as a showcase project (it is one of its kind) rather than for its economic feasibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Dd</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In hot countries like India the operating efficiency of solar panels increases due to lower ambient temparature beneath the panels]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hot countries like India the operating efficiency of solar panels increases due to lower ambient temparature beneath the panels</p>
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		<title>By: ericpruss</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-177295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericpruss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob replied with what I had in mind.

The PV panels will last decades, but even chemically treated (a whole new environmental problem in itself) bamboo would not last that long, especially in a humid environment over a water filled canal. 

Some people might cite how long railroad trusses last (many decades), but that is because they get regularly coated with creosote (obtained from burning coal) or other chemicals on a regular basis. Having observed such retreatment processes of a railroad bridge near a prior home, I know a LOT of the chemicals drip off the structure onto the surface below. In this case, the structure would be spanning many miles of the canal, so the surface that the potentially toxic chemicals are dripping into is water destined for farms (and possibly human drinking water in a country not known for good water treatment). Worse yet, the retreatment of the bamboo structure would also entail overspray onto the panels - PV panels are normally made as one unit - if even a small portion of the panel were to be shaded even a small amount (say from a small amount of overspray of creosote or even a seemingly &quot;clear&quot; chemical, the entire panel would decrease in efficiency). 

Additionally, the metal ramework would surely be coming from pre-existing producers, who if located in India, would already be using the energy they are using and would still be using that energy if the solar framework were to be made of other materials.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob replied with what I had in mind.</p>
<p>The PV panels will last decades, but even chemically treated (a whole new environmental problem in itself) bamboo would not last that long, especially in a humid environment over a water filled canal. </p>
<p>Some people might cite how long railroad trusses last (many decades), but that is because they get regularly coated with creosote (obtained from burning coal) or other chemicals on a regular basis. Having observed such retreatment processes of a railroad bridge near a prior home, I know a LOT of the chemicals drip off the structure onto the surface below. In this case, the structure would be spanning many miles of the canal, so the surface that the potentially toxic chemicals are dripping into is water destined for farms (and possibly human drinking water in a country not known for good water treatment). Worse yet, the retreatment of the bamboo structure would also entail overspray onto the panels &#8211; PV panels are normally made as one unit &#8211; if even a small portion of the panel were to be shaded even a small amount (say from a small amount of overspray of creosote or even a seemingly &#8220;clear&#8221; chemical, the entire panel would decrease in efficiency). </p>
<p>Additionally, the metal ramework would surely be coming from pre-existing producers, who if located in India, would already be using the energy they are using and would still be using that energy if the solar framework were to be made of other materials.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those panels are likely to be cranking out power 40, 50 years from now.  That would mean many bamboo replacements over the system&#039;s lifetime.


The metal framing is most likely &quot;second use&quot; steel.  Recycled from other uses such as automobiles.  Some likely coming from the ship wrecking yards.


Bamboo is pretty incredible stuff.  I&#039;ve seen buildings significantly higher than ten stories being built with bamboo scaffolding.  But I&#039;d suspect each individual bamboo pole or timber is used only a few years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those panels are likely to be cranking out power 40, 50 years from now.  That would mean many bamboo replacements over the system&#8217;s lifetime.</p>
<p>The metal framing is most likely &#8220;second use&#8221; steel.  Recycled from other uses such as automobiles.  Some likely coming from the ship wrecking yards.</p>
<p>Bamboo is pretty incredible stuff.  I&#8217;ve seen buildings significantly higher than ten stories being built with bamboo scaffolding.  But I&#8217;d suspect each individual bamboo pole or timber is used only a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan_Justice</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-177249</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To lower capital costs and reduce carbon footprint.  A lot of metal smelting presently involves burning lots of coal or using vast quantities of electricity and oxygen.  Someday such power may be available from regional grids powered by renewables, but for now, the energy mostly comes by way of exacerbating the carbon crisis that is driving climate disruption.  Growing bamboo stores carbon in the crop and the ground it grows in.

My thought is that appropriate design and perhaps chemical treatment would allow bamboo to do much of the work that the photo suggests that metal trusses are being used for in the demonstration project being discussed.

India in particular has additional reason to look at this.  Unlike the US where consumption of electrical power delivered by the various grids has leveled off over the last five years, Indian power companies famously come up short on delivering the power consumers and small businesses need. Using available capacity to process metals needs to be considered pretty carefully under those circumstances.

We should notice that this approach would parallel the synergy the scheme already offers in reducing evaporation from the water in the irrigation canals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To lower capital costs and reduce carbon footprint.  A lot of metal smelting presently involves burning lots of coal or using vast quantities of electricity and oxygen.  Someday such power may be available from regional grids powered by renewables, but for now, the energy mostly comes by way of exacerbating the carbon crisis that is driving climate disruption.  Growing bamboo stores carbon in the crop and the ground it grows in.</p>
<p>My thought is that appropriate design and perhaps chemical treatment would allow bamboo to do much of the work that the photo suggests that metal trusses are being used for in the demonstration project being discussed.</p>
<p>India in particular has additional reason to look at this.  Unlike the US where consumption of electrical power delivered by the various grids has leveled off over the last five years, Indian power companies famously come up short on delivering the power consumers and small businesses need. Using available capacity to process metals needs to be considered pretty carefully under those circumstances.</p>
<p>We should notice that this approach would parallel the synergy the scheme already offers in reducing evaporation from the water in the irrigation canals.</p>
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		<title>By: Omega Centauri</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-177233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Omega Centauri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real queston is how much os a premium is involved with putting PV over canals like this?
It clearly is more expensive to create structural spans over a canel -and likely access for cleaning and maintenence is probably higher as well. So it becomes a tradeoff between the extra cost of spanning the canal, versus the cost of land, with lower evaporation thrown in.


  California has quite a lot of similar water canals, yet the water department was decidely unenthusiastic about this, claiming they&#039;d rather put the panels on dry land. I presume they ran the numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real queston is how much os a premium is involved with putting PV over canals like this?<br />
It clearly is more expensive to create structural spans over a canel -and likely access for cleaning and maintenence is probably higher as well. So it becomes a tradeoff between the extra cost of spanning the canal, versus the cost of land, with lower evaporation thrown in.</p>
<p>  California has quite a lot of similar water canals, yet the water department was decidely unenthusiastic about this, claiming they&#8217;d rather put the panels on dry land. I presume they ran the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: ericpruss</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-177062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ericpruss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would you want to do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you want to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan_Justice</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/13/indian-state-plans-10-mw-canal-top-solar-power-project/#comment-176663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan_Justice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can they frame this out in bamboo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can they frame this out in bamboo?</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The winery in question already have big trees over the parking lot and the tasting room, so unsuitable for solar PV. The wine tasting room is more beautiful with trees than with solar panels. The savings from evaporation is tremendous, cutting the rate by more than half, especially in California where water is a very important resource.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winery in question already have big trees over the parking lot and the tasting room, so unsuitable for solar PV. The wine tasting room is more beautiful with trees than with solar panels. The savings from evaporation is tremendous, cutting the rate by more than half, especially in California where water is a very important resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the canals is easier than a pond, since they are for the most part constant width, and not so wide that you have to add supports in the middle. But yes, this works. Also over you visitor parking lot, since it shades their cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the canals is easier than a pond, since they are for the most part constant width, and not so wide that you have to add supports in the middle. But yes, this works. Also over you visitor parking lot, since it shades their cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Napa vineyards installed solar panels over their water reservoir. It has many benefits. For one, the area is free, it will not compete with vineyard space. The next is that it significantly lowered water evaporation from the ponds, third is that it is difficult for thieves to steal the solar panels.  Of course it is slightly more expensive to install over water. But solar PV itself paints an image of sustainability for the vineyard, and besides, you get electricity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Napa vineyards installed solar panels over their water reservoir. It has many benefits. For one, the area is free, it will not compete with vineyard space. The next is that it significantly lowered water evaporation from the ponds, third is that it is difficult for thieves to steal the solar panels.  Of course it is slightly more expensive to install over water. But solar PV itself paints an image of sustainability for the vineyard, and besides, you get electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesWimberley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JamesWimberley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039; s not just the land. Larger canals come with roads or tracks along the banks for maintenance, so access is straightforward. British Waterways, which runs Britain&#039;s legacy canal system (used now for tourism rather than freight, but largely intact), leases rights under the towpaths for optical-fibre cables.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217; s not just the land. Larger canals come with roads or tracks along the banks for maintenance, so access is straightforward. British Waterways, which runs Britain&#8217;s legacy canal system (used now for tourism rather than freight, but largely intact), leases rights under the towpaths for optical-fibre cables.</p>
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