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	<title>Comments on: In-Wheel EV Motor From Evans Electric Unveiled In Australia</title>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2013 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corrected. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrected. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: brink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, ok,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, ok,</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[?
I can&#039;t comment on that blog. That&#039;s what I said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?<br />
I can&#8217;t comment on that blog. That&#8217;s what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: brink</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[revoked ? you are still on here commenting though hmm......?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>revoked ? you are still on here commenting though hmm&#8230;&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Proper steel rims are not easy to break. I don&#039;t remember hearing of one broken.  Roads suck here and people drive fast.
Aluminium rims and such are a fad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proper steel rims are not easy to break. I don&#8217;t remember hearing of one broken.  Roads suck here and people drive fast.<br />
Aluminium rims and such are a fad.</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope. Although the in-wheel motor concept is not new, the axial flux design&#039;s are. And they have better power density and they&#039;re slim which is good for something that&#039;s in the wheel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Although the in-wheel motor concept is not new, the axial flux design&#8217;s are. And they have better power density and they&#8217;re slim which is good for something that&#8217;s in the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 08:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean fly-by-wire? You need steering.
Also 1G isn&#039;t enough for breaking. Every stronger braking is more than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean fly-by-wire? You need steering.<br />
Also 1G isn&#8217;t enough for breaking. Every stronger braking is more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: techau</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-175246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[techau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mitsubishi were testing this technology many years ago - http://www.mitsubishi-lancer.info/news/Mitsubishi_Lancer_EVO_with_in_wheel_electric_motors.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitsubishi were testing this technology many years ago &#8211; <a href="http://www.mitsubishi-lancer.info/news/Mitsubishi_Lancer_EVO_with_in_wheel_electric_motors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitsubishi-lancer.info/news/Mitsubishi_Lancer_EVO_with_in_wheel_electric_motors.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2013 05:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember when you made a huge tantrum about these things and got fired. Lolz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when you made a huge tantrum about these things and got fired. Lolz.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Williamson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool, wondered when they would finally do this.  
Just wondering about the max braking and power loss...if the systems are redundant, then a component failure should not be an issue...welcome to flyby wire in a car....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool, wondered when they would finally do this.<br />
Just wondering about the max braking and power loss&#8230;if the systems are redundant, then a component failure should not be an issue&#8230;welcome to flyby wire in a car&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never heard of pothole related damage outside of ruined tires and bent rims.  

As for unsprung weight...

&quot;A stock 2007 Ford Focus was compared with an identical vehicle modified with 66 lb (30 kg) of ballast fitted to each wheel. The weight was distributed between rotating and nonrotating unsprung masses as to broadly replicate Protean Electric’s PD18 (18-in diameter) wheel-hub-motor unit. The project plan included three phases of analysis and testing. 

Phase 1 focused on modeling of different modifications, including suspension spring, bushing, and damper rates, and different tires and pressures, and their effects on the IWM-equipped vehicle. It was determined that simply fitting a standard Focus ST suspension (an upgrade on the stock base car) would be a good practical solution.

In phase 2, the stock vehicle was modified with the Focus ST suspension. This setup included revisions to the front and rear spring rates, dampers, and the rear antiroll bar. In phase 3, the Focus with the modified ST suspension was retested. The process included a subjective vehicle assessment, objective ride and handling tests, on-road shake measurements, and two-post shaker rig measurements.

The studies concluded, and the presenters argue, that while the vehicle carrying the greater unsprung mass at each wheel did display perceptible differences compared with the stock vehicle, those differences were minor and can be mitigated using “normal engineering processes within a product development cycle.”

By fitting the upgraded ST-level suspension to the car replicating one equipped with Protean PD18 in-wheel motors, the vehicle’s handling and on-center tracking were improved back to reference. Overall, the effort conducted by Protean Electric, Lotus Engineering, and Dunamos may help convince skeptics that the addition of 30 kg of unsprung mass per corner will not adversely impact overall vehicle dynamics and can be addressed fairly easily with cost-effective countermeasures.&quot;

http://ev.sae.org/article/9493/


Yes, the motors will be subjected to more water, etc.  We build electric trolling motors that spend their working hours under water.  And bow thrusters for large ships that spend their lifetime under saltwater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of pothole related damage outside of ruined tires and bent rims.  </p>
<p>As for unsprung weight&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;A stock 2007 Ford Focus was compared with an identical vehicle modified with 66 lb (30 kg) of ballast fitted to each wheel. The weight was distributed between rotating and nonrotating unsprung masses as to broadly replicate Protean Electric’s PD18 (18-in diameter) wheel-hub-motor unit. The project plan included three phases of analysis and testing. </p>
<p>Phase 1 focused on modeling of different modifications, including suspension spring, bushing, and damper rates, and different tires and pressures, and their effects on the IWM-equipped vehicle. It was determined that simply fitting a standard Focus ST suspension (an upgrade on the stock base car) would be a good practical solution.</p>
<p>In phase 2, the stock vehicle was modified with the Focus ST suspension. This setup included revisions to the front and rear spring rates, dampers, and the rear antiroll bar. In phase 3, the Focus with the modified ST suspension was retested. The process included a subjective vehicle assessment, objective ride and handling tests, on-road shake measurements, and two-post shaker rig measurements.</p>
<p>The studies concluded, and the presenters argue, that while the vehicle carrying the greater unsprung mass at each wheel did display perceptible differences compared with the stock vehicle, those differences were minor and can be mitigated using “normal engineering processes within a product development cycle.”</p>
<p>By fitting the upgraded ST-level suspension to the car replicating one equipped with Protean PD18 in-wheel motors, the vehicle’s handling and on-center tracking were improved back to reference. Overall, the effort conducted by Protean Electric, Lotus Engineering, and Dunamos may help convince skeptics that the addition of 30 kg of unsprung mass per corner will not adversely impact overall vehicle dynamics and can be addressed fairly easily with cost-effective countermeasures.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://ev.sae.org/article/9493/" rel="nofollow">http://ev.sae.org/article/9493/</a></p>
<p>Yes, the motors will be subjected to more water, etc.  We build electric trolling motors that spend their working hours under water.  And bow thrusters for large ships that spend their lifetime under saltwater.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, having the motor drive at each of the wheel have some problems that should be addressed. I wondered if they have covered this. First and foremost the wheels would be very expensive to repair when it hits potholes, curbs and other hard objects on the road.  The roads in the US are not as well maintained as they used to be.  Second, the wheels would be heavier from the added weight of motors, so it could affect the feel of the ride, especially that we will have more unsprung weight that can transmit to the chassis instead of being absorbed. And the third important one is that the direct drive motors should be truly robust and heavy duty because it will suffer much more abuse as it will have direct impacts when the wheels hit uneven objects such as pot holes, hard objects, curbs, and also more exposed to the elements such as direct contact with water or erosive salts, compared to motors that are snugly kept under the hood, well protected. It is a real world out there, not in neat racetracks or laboratories.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, having the motor drive at each of the wheel have some problems that should be addressed. I wondered if they have covered this. First and foremost the wheels would be very expensive to repair when it hits potholes, curbs and other hard objects on the road.  The roads in the US are not as well maintained as they used to be.  Second, the wheels would be heavier from the added weight of motors, so it could affect the feel of the ride, especially that we will have more unsprung weight that can transmit to the chassis instead of being absorbed. And the third important one is that the direct drive motors should be truly robust and heavy duty because it will suffer much more abuse as it will have direct impacts when the wheels hit uneven objects such as pot holes, hard objects, curbs, and also more exposed to the elements such as direct contact with water or erosive salts, compared to motors that are snugly kept under the hood, well protected. It is a real world out there, not in neat racetracks or laboratories.</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I followed the reference chain. Here: http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/29/evans-electric-unveils-monster-in-wheel-motor-down-under/
In the copied press release (I don&#039;t know where they got it from because there&#039;s nothing on the Evans Electric website) it says:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Each Axial Flux 3 phase AC Induction wheel motor has a nominal output of
 75 kw and 625 Nm of torque with a peak output of 150 kw and 1,250 Nm 
giving the vehicle a total peak output of 600 kw (800 hp) and 5,000 Nm.*&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the reference chain. Here: <a href="http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/29/evans-electric-unveils-monster-in-wheel-motor-down-under/" rel="nofollow">http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/29/evans-electric-unveils-monster-in-wheel-motor-down-under/</a><br />
In the copied press release (I don&#8217;t know where they got it from because there&#8217;s nothing on the Evans Electric website) it says:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Each Axial Flux 3 phase AC Induction wheel motor has a nominal output of<br />
 75 kw and 625 Nm of torque with a peak output of 150 kw and 1,250 Nm<br />
giving the vehicle a total peak output of 600 kw (800 hp) and 5,000 Nm.*&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/01/in-wheel-ev-motor-from-evans-electric-unveiled-in-australia/#comment-174775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guy at the &quot;Electric Vehicle News&quot; blog wrote about it previously.

http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/2013/03/wheel-motor-validation-testing-confirms.html

He probably has ties to Evans electric. Because there are hardly an news about it elsewhere and he disabled comments when I asked about it. (And revoked my commenting permissions like a real jerk...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy at the &#8220;Electric Vehicle News&#8221; blog wrote about it previously.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/2013/03/wheel-motor-validation-testing-confirms.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/2013/03/wheel-motor-validation-testing-confirms.html</a></p>
<p>He probably has ties to Evans electric. Because there are hardly an news about it elsewhere and he disabled comments when I asked about it. (And revoked my commenting permissions like a real jerk&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: mzso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;that produces 800 HP/600 kW (peak) and 1,250 Newton-metres (925 foot-pounds) of torque.&quot;
This need correction, it&#039;s mixed up. It&#039;s 1,250 Newton-metres (and 150 kw-s) per motor. So it&#039;s four times that for the whole car. 600 kW for power and 5000 Nm for torque. With no gearing loss, so in all likeliness it&#039;s significantly more than Tesla&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that produces 800 HP/600 kW (peak) and 1,250 Newton-metres (925 foot-pounds) of torque.&#8221;<br />
This need correction, it&#8217;s mixed up. It&#8217;s 1,250 Newton-metres (and 150 kw-s) per motor. So it&#8217;s four times that for the whole car. 600 kW for power and 5000 Nm for torque. With no gearing loss, so in all likeliness it&#8217;s significantly more than Tesla&#8217;s.</p>
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