Comments on: Which Will Be The 1st EV Model To Break Into The Top 10 Of Global Auto Sales? (Poll)

By: AndY1

AndY1 — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:34:00 +0000

Don’t forget GM’s Spark EV.

By: mzso

mzso — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:49:00 +0000

Any reference?

By: Rif

Rif — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:08:00 +0000

Do not worry, I am sure you will see Renault EVs sold in US in a few years time.

Did you read the list? It even includes a car that is not sold anywhere in the world for another 4 years. Yep, full US navel gazing.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:03:00 +0000

I could see it breaking through. Very curious & excited to see how it does in its first year, and if GM runs with it or leaves it on the back burner.

By: arne-nl

arne-nl — Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:06:00 +0000

If it isn’t sold in the US it won’t stand a chance of breaking into the global top 10. It also isn’t sold in Japan, another key market for EV’s. You’ll need a vehicle that is sold globally.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:09:00 +0000

I did do that, didn’t I?

By: arne-nl

arne-nl — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:58:00 +0000

You wrote 400 kWh/kg instead of 400 Wh/kg.

By: arne-nl

arne-nl — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:58:00 +0000

As did I, it seems to be an attractive proposition and small cars are gaining popularity.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:14:00 +0000

I believe the Nissan LEAF battery stores 120 Wh/kg (24 KWh/200kg).

How do you get 400/120 = 2,000x?

By: Rif

Rif — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:32:00 +0000

“Top 10 of Global Auto Sales”

Global sales and the list of options does not even include a single Renault model? Sadly a very US centric list.

Renault Zoe stand a good chance to become a top seller model. It has the right size so that lots of families can consider it as a second car, a situation where limited range does not matter much.

By: mzso

mzso — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:33:00 +0000

” Envia’s battery supposedly stores 400kWh/kg, which is 3x times as much as the LEAF battery holds.”
That would be nice, bit it would mean it stores like 2000 times as much. But anyway Li-ion batter hold around 180-200 Wh/kg so more like 2-2.3 times energy.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:20:00 +0000

Good case.

By: Loren McDonald

Loren McDonald — Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:05:00 +0000

Since the question was top 10 in global sales, I think I’m going to go with the Chevy Volt + Opel/Vauxhall Ampera. I could be wrong, and hope I’m wrong, but I think most mass consumers aren’t yet ready for a pure EV and will “pass-through” PHEVs before buying a pure EV.

The Volt/Ampera could scale globally in US, Australia, Germany, UK. The Volt/Ampera eliminates range concerns, the car is fairly normal looking, is a decent sized car, and not “kind of ugly” like the Leaf.The Volt/Ampera requires less “change” for the buyer than a pure EV.

The Prius scaled because it cost about $20,000+ US, was a significant improvement in gas mileage versus a typical car – and made a statement to the world when you were behind the wheel. The Leaf needs a range of about 150 miles and to be redesigned before it will really scale in sales (IMHO); BMW i3 will be a bit too expensive I think and is kind of a tweener model; the Tesla Model C will possibly break into the Top 10 globally in about 2020 … but the Volt will have about 4-5 year head start on it.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:37:00 +0000

Wow, that’s quite a neighbor!

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:37:00 +0000

Seriously. Naysayers have had too much attention & too many megaphones.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:36:00 +0000

Have a poll on the year this happens coming soon.

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:34:00 +0000

i think you just voted for the Spark EV

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:34:00 +0000

Thanks, Ross!

By: Zachary Shahan

Zachary Shahan — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:32:00 +0000

I was counting “future versions of the Leaf,” but yeah, they could create one with a diff name that might take the top spot. i voted for the Leaf. clearly, it and the Model “C” have dominated the results. currently, ~31% & 27%, respectively.

By: Ross

Ross — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:47:00 +0000

About 500,000+ for the make, assuming some further recovery of the US economy.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/01/2012-usa-auto-sales-brand-rankings.html