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	<title>Comments on: Solar-Skinned Buildings On The Rise</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/26/solar-skinned-buildings-on-the-rise/#comment-173848</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider the coal plants that are now going off line.  They weren&#039;t located &quot;downtown&quot;.  Their transmission lines are being freed up.  



A prime example is the Intermountain Intertie which was built to carry coal-electricity  from Utah to So Cal.  That&#039;s now available for large solar installations along its route.  (And Utah could get it together and tap their newly found geothermal resources and stick them on line as well.)


The Intermountain and Pacific Interties are being repurposed to bring late afternoon and evening wind-electricity from Wyoming to the West Coast.



Then, we don&#039;t need a lot of new generation.  We need to replace fossil fuels.  We can largely deal with increased demand by demand cutting via efficiency.  That means we can put large solar arrays on the same lines with natural gas.  The gas plants will be shut down when fuel-free solar is producing.


Some local lines are overloaded.  Certainly not all.  Distributing solar around the neighborhood and increasing efficiency will help with that problem.


If we&#039;re melting insulation off lines (something I&#039;ve never seen) then we have significant overload problems and we are wasting significant power.  Distributed solar will help with that problem only when the Sun is shining.  If we can&#039;t cut demand then we need to upsize those lines.



If local distribution is strained and more supply is needed it makes no sense to solely charge solar for improving local transmission.  That&#039;s a cost that will have to be born regardless whether supply comes from solar, coal, gas, nuclear, hydro or any other source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider the coal plants that are now going off line.  They weren&#8217;t located &#8220;downtown&#8221;.  Their transmission lines are being freed up.  </p>
<p>A prime example is the Intermountain Intertie which was built to carry coal-electricity  from Utah to So Cal.  That&#8217;s now available for large solar installations along its route.  (And Utah could get it together and tap their newly found geothermal resources and stick them on line as well.)</p>
<p>The Intermountain and Pacific Interties are being repurposed to bring late afternoon and evening wind-electricity from Wyoming to the West Coast.</p>
<p>Then, we don&#8217;t need a lot of new generation.  We need to replace fossil fuels.  We can largely deal with increased demand by demand cutting via efficiency.  That means we can put large solar arrays on the same lines with natural gas.  The gas plants will be shut down when fuel-free solar is producing.</p>
<p>Some local lines are overloaded.  Certainly not all.  Distributing solar around the neighborhood and increasing efficiency will help with that problem.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re melting insulation off lines (something I&#8217;ve never seen) then we have significant overload problems and we are wasting significant power.  Distributed solar will help with that problem only when the Sun is shining.  If we can&#8217;t cut demand then we need to upsize those lines.</p>
<p>If local distribution is strained and more supply is needed it makes no sense to solely charge solar for improving local transmission.  That&#8217;s a cost that will have to be born regardless whether supply comes from solar, coal, gas, nuclear, hydro or any other source.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/26/solar-skinned-buildings-on-the-rise/#comment-173845</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, I wasn&#039;t talking about the cost of building new large scale transmission. If you build a new 1500MW PV, coal, or nuclear plant you need the same large transmission. I was talking about all the over loaded local lines. Maybe it isn&#039;t that way everywhere, but in most US cities that I been to. If the power line run above ground you will see a lot of burn out insulation from the lines having been used from more power than intended and over heating. If the power is used on site you give those lines break. This is a saving of local PV of any large scale power source. Yes mega scale PV is cheaper than small local PV. But the difference is bigger in the US than in say Germany or Australia. And I know you, as a contributor this blog are aware of a lot of &quot;cost benefit&quot; that local PV has that don&#039;t show up at the meter.


And yes, large scale is much more attractive to traditional utilities companies, that local. Since local PV looks like lost sales to them, just like efficiency improvements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I wasn&#8217;t talking about the cost of building new large scale transmission. If you build a new 1500MW PV, coal, or nuclear plant you need the same large transmission. I was talking about all the over loaded local lines. Maybe it isn&#8217;t that way everywhere, but in most US cities that I been to. If the power line run above ground you will see a lot of burn out insulation from the lines having been used from more power than intended and over heating. If the power is used on site you give those lines break. This is a saving of local PV of any large scale power source. Yes mega scale PV is cheaper than small local PV. But the difference is bigger in the US than in say Germany or Australia. And I know you, as a contributor this blog are aware of a lot of &#8220;cost benefit&#8221; that local PV has that don&#8217;t show up at the meter.</p>
<p>And yes, large scale is much more attractive to traditional utilities companies, that local. Since local PV looks like lost sales to them, just like efficiency improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brakels</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basically the opposite of the situation in Australia.  Of course I paid 42 cents a kilowatt-hour on my last electricity bill so things are a bit different here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically the opposite of the situation in Australia.  Of course I paid 42 cents a kilowatt-hour on my last electricity bill so things are a bit different here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/26/solar-skinned-buildings-on-the-rise/#comment-173691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cost.  Large solar farms are the cheapest way to bring more solar on line.  And that includes the cost of transmission.


Right now large solar arrays are financially attractive to utility companies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cost.  Large solar farms are the cheapest way to bring more solar on line.  And that includes the cost of transmission.</p>
<p>Right now large solar arrays are financially attractive to utility companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the big benefits of solar that is lost when you built a large remote solar farm. Is that it can be distributed and generate power where it is used. All those power lines with melted insulation don&#039;t need to carry more power. And while not every building/parking lot is a good candidate for PV, there is a whole lot that are. Yes in the core of cities it will be a while before there is a big impact. But you don&#039;t have to go far before the buildings and parking lots can play a big role.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the big benefits of solar that is lost when you built a large remote solar farm. Is that it can be distributed and generate power where it is used. All those power lines with melted insulation don&#8217;t need to carry more power. And while not every building/parking lot is a good candidate for PV, there is a whole lot that are. Yes in the core of cities it will be a while before there is a big impact. But you don&#8217;t have to go far before the buildings and parking lots can play a big role.</p>
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