Comments on: Buying An Electric Vehicle For Nothing?

By: adakeep

adakeep — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:51:00 +0000

I’ve just taken advantage of the discounted lease from Nissan for the leaf. My out of pocket expense for two year lease is $7800. Gasoline not purchased for my ICE = $350/m or $8400 for two years. I am driving 5mi/kwh so for the 24000 miles I’m allowed for the lease the expense will be $576. And I use it for business so another 51 cents per mile income tax deduction. Add to that the scheduled maintenance that consist of tire rotation and this car is adding to my bank account instead of draining. And…if someone could actually convince me that this is all courtesy of the taxpayers, then I thank the taxpayers from the bottom of my heart. Oh and I am happy to be buying American made electrons, a car made in Smyrna, Tennessee and if the manufacturer is subsidizing the car, then I thank them for pouring Japanese cash into the US.

By: arne-nl

arne-nl — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:52:00 +0000

I’ll ignore all the mindless ranting and address just this easily verifyable claim: “If just 10% of the miles driven in this nation were done in EV’s; this nation’s power production would have to be increased by 40%”

The calculation goes as follows, Tom, and you could have done that yourself in five easy steps:

1. Lookup the number of miles that an EV drives on a kWh of electricity. It turns out the real world figure is around 5 km (3 miles).

2. Lookup the total VMT in the USA. According to the DoE that is 3 trillion miles.

3. Divide 2 by 1 and the outcome is the kWh’s needed. Answer: 1 trillion kWh = 1000 TWh.

4. At the eia you can find that the annual net electricity generation in the US is about 4000 TWh.

5. 1000 TWh is 25% of 4000 TWh.

So your claim is:
10% EV = 40% increase
Reality is:
100% EV = 25% increase.

You exaggerated by a factor of 15.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:20:00 +0000

Gosh Tom, that’s a huge pile of poo.

Ever consider the trillions we spend because we use petroleum for transportation? All the tax breaks, low cost land leases and other benefits we taxpayers give oil companies. Or the trillions of dollars we’ve spent fighting three oil wars.

We’ve spent many, many, many times more public money subsidizing fossil fuels and nuclear than subsidizing renewables. The cost of fossil fuels and nuclear keep going up and the price of renewables keeps coming down.

We have enough spare generating capacity and transmission to charge over 70% of the total US car/light truck fleet if our vehicles were turned into electrics overnight.

You must get your news and information from Murdock/Fox/WSJ. You are incredibly wrong.

Probably ought to rename your web site “I’m Ignorant About Green Energy”.

That or “I Lie for the Fossil Fuel Industry”.

By: Tom Lahman

Tom Lahman — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:36:00 +0000

This article (that you are responding too) is entirely consistent with your statement. There is nothing free. In the case of EV’s: an exorbitant cost is concealed by the sellers in collusion with government by transferring a significant portion of that cost to the general taxpaying public (national debt). Further, that same public is forced to subsidize the fuel (electricity) produced by public utilities. Most of which are required to integrate solar and wind produced power at a cost substantially higher than conventionally produced power (again which the non participating public is forced to shoulder).

If just 10% of the miles driven in this nation were done in EV’s; this nation’s power production would have to be increased by 40%. I assure you, that can not be achieved by wind and solar and thereby bringing us back to a near doubling of coal consumption. “Green” energy is best defined as “the burning of enormous amounts of taxpayer dollars in order to produce miniscule amounts of energy!
More at: “Green Poverty”Scribd.com

By: Frederik

Frederik — Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:34:00 +0000

It’s quite a surprise that the WSJ brings this, given that the Rupert Murdoch media normally spread nothing but lies and misinformation about everything that benefits the environment.