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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-232030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Costs vary a lot over states.  I&#039;ve seen some breakdowns but don&#039;t recall the sites at the moment.

$3.64/W  ($38,600 / 10,600) seems decent, based on the GMT 2013 averages. National retail average EOY 2013 was $4.59.

Lacking any knowledge about your local prices
​,​
that seems like a decent deal to me.



Best panel price of 75 cents isn&#039;t the wholesale price.  That&#039;s retail. 
If your installer is active they are probably purchasing by the pallet but the Mitsubishi panels might not be the lowest price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Costs vary a lot over states.  I&#8217;ve seen some breakdowns but don&#8217;t recall the sites at the moment.</p>
<p>$3.64/W  ($38,600 / 10,600) seems decent, based on the GMT 2013 averages. National retail average EOY 2013 was $4.59.</p>
<p>Lacking any knowledge about your local prices<br />
​,​<br />
that seems like a decent deal to me.</p>
<p>Best panel price of 75 cents isn&#8217;t the wholesale price.  That&#8217;s retail.<br />
If your installer is active they are probably purchasing by the pallet but the Mitsubishi panels might not be the lowest price.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kerton</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-232004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Kerton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Bob.


I&#039;m being quoted (what looks like) a pretty good price for a system, and I&#039;m just trying to validate whether it&#039;s a good deal or not.


Installer has offered 40 Mitsubishi panels for 10,600W installed at $38,600 before gov&#039;t incentives. But with wide ranging numbers on the net, such as this wholesale $0.75/W up to the SEIAs range which goes over $5/W installed...I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;m getting a fair deal or not!


Any thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m being quoted (what looks like) a pretty good price for a system, and I&#8217;m just trying to validate whether it&#8217;s a good deal or not.</p>
<p>Installer has offered 40 Mitsubishi panels for 10,600W installed at $38,600 before gov&#8217;t incentives. But with wide ranging numbers on the net, such as this wholesale $0.75/W up to the SEIAs range which goes over $5/W installed&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m getting a fair deal or not!</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-232002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s some sites you might find useful. 

 First, the avg price for a complete system in Germany.  We (the US) seem to track Germany with a 2-3 year lag.

~$1.80/W.  And their average is heavily weighted by small rooftop systems.  Not a lot of utility scale in the German mix.  

http://www.photovoltaik-guide.de/pv-preisindex

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US average system prices EOY 2013 -

Average all Sizes $3.04/W. Residential $4.59/W. Commercial $3.57/W. Utility Scale $1.96/W

The year on year average price drop was 15%, Residential was down 8.8%, Non-residential 16.3% and Utility 13.7%.

http://forms.greentechmedia.com/Extranet/95679/forms.aspx?msgid=v4or4vgm5jesdhr4a2pf0nsv
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Spot prices for silicon, wafers, cells and modules.

http://pvinsights.com/
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Best prices for end-user purchasing.  $0.75/W.  I think I paid over $10/W for my first panel.

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some sites you might find useful. </p>
<p> First, the avg price for a complete system in Germany.  We (the US) seem to track Germany with a 2-3 year lag.</p>
<p>~$1.80/W.  And their average is heavily weighted by small rooftop systems.  Not a lot of utility scale in the German mix.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.photovoltaik-guide.de/pv-preisindex" rel="nofollow">http://www.photovoltaik-guide.de/pv-preisindex</a></p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>US average system prices EOY 2013 &#8211;</p>
<p>Average all Sizes $3.04/W. Residential $4.59/W. Commercial $3.57/W. Utility Scale $1.96/W</p>
<p>The year on year average price drop was 15%, Residential was down 8.8%, Non-residential 16.3% and Utility 13.7%.</p>
<p><a href="http://forms.greentechmedia.com/Extranet/95679/forms.aspx?msgid=v4or4vgm5jesdhr4a2pf0nsv" rel="nofollow">http://forms.greentechmedia.com/Extranet/95679/forms.aspx?msgid=v4or4vgm5jesdhr4a2pf0nsv</a><br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Spot prices for silicon, wafers, cells and modules.</p>
<p><a href="http://pvinsights.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pvinsights.com/</a><br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Best prices for end-user purchasing.  $0.75/W.  I think I paid over $10/W for my first panel.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kerton</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-232001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Kerton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and thanks for the article. Good pointers. I got the latest from SEIA at http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2014-q1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and thanks for the article. Good pointers. I got the latest from SEIA at <a href="http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2014-q1" rel="nofollow">http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2014-q1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kerton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Kerton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chicken? Ha! I&#039;ll sacrifice a 15 goats and my Sony Walkman if they can get that fixed across the whole Internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicken? Ha! I&#8217;ll sacrifice a 15 goats and my Sony Walkman if they can get that fixed across the whole Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Date in embedded in the browser address.


Request is in to the tech gods to put the date on the page.  Sacrifice a chicken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Date in embedded in the browser address.</p>
<p>Request is in to the tech gods to put the date on the page.  Sacrifice a chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Kerton</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-231996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Kerton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2014 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These articles that aren&#039;t dated would be a lot more useful if they were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These articles that aren&#8217;t dated would be a lot more useful if they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brakels</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brakels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heinbloded, those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heinbloded, those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can accurately say that panel prices have increased recently but the second part of your claim is unfounded.

The industry states that prices will soon start falling and will fall considerably below their previous low.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can accurately say that panel prices have increased recently but the second part of your claim is unfounded.</p>
<p>The industry states that prices will soon start falling and will fall considerably below their previous low.</p>
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		<title>By: xclvet</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xclvet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hype.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hype.</p>
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		<title>By: xclvet</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xclvet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://solarabcs.org]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://solarabcs.org" rel="nofollow">http://solarabcs.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: xclvet</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xclvet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/09/new-breakthroughs-in-anti-solar-propaganda/

Of course you&#039;ll argue - that&#039;s your game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/09/new-breakthroughs-in-anti-solar-propaganda/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/09/new-breakthroughs-in-anti-solar-propaganda/</a></p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;ll argue &#8211; that&#8217;s your game.</p>
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		<title>By: heinbloed</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heinbloed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The prices for modules are going up and no end in sight:

http://www.photon.de/news_archiv/details.aspx?cat=News_Archiv&amp;sub=Wirtschaft&amp;pub=1&amp;parent=6353]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prices for modules are going up and no end in sight:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.photon.de/news_archiv/details.aspx?cat=News_Archiv&#038;sub=Wirtschaft&#038;pub=1&#038;parent=6353" rel="nofollow">http://www.photon.de/news_archiv/details.aspx?cat=News_Archiv&#038;sub=Wirtschaft&#038;pub=1&#038;parent=6353</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s some sort of a certification process being set up.  I haven&#039;t kept track of how far along it is.


Financing institutions are going to want some assurance that they are loaning money to projects which are being built with decent quality inputs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some sort of a certification process being set up.  I haven&#8217;t kept track of how far along it is.</p>
<p>Financing institutions are going to want some assurance that they are loaning money to projects which are being built with decent quality inputs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steeple</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steeple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there anyone doing quality testing on these panels aka Consumer Reports to track the differences between manufacturers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anyone doing quality testing on these panels aka Consumer Reports to track the differences between manufacturers?</p>
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		<title>By: Shiggity</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/23/solar-modules-drop-20-in-2013/#comment-173270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shiggity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately for the EU, that recent up swing now turning downwards, was all of their manufacturers going out of business and the tariff spat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately for the EU, that recent up swing now turning downwards, was all of their manufacturers going out of business and the tariff spat.</p>
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