Just wanted to make that clear since I misunderstood your comment and went to the source.

How Long Does it Take for Photovoltaics

To Produce the Energy Used?

By Vasilis Fthenakis

http://www.clca.columbia.edu/236_PE_Magazine_Fthenakis_2_10_12.pdf

Vasilis Fthenakis is a senior chemical engineer and director of thePhotovoltaics Environmental Research Center at Brookhaven National Laboratory. He also holds a joint appointment with Columbia Universityas professor of earth and environmental engineering and the founder
and director of the Center for Life Cycle Analysis.
He is the author of 300 publications, member of the Editorial Boards of Progress in Photovoltaics and the Journal of Loss Prevention. He is a Fellow of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers and a Fellow of the International Energy Foundation. He can be reached at vmf@bnl.gov.

No doubt the fossil fuel “energy experts” will poo poo this potentially massive saving of energy if done all over the world as a “drop in the bucket”. They mat even engage in the ridiculous false argument (used against PV and Wind) that the energy required to make the metals in the Bicyclean versus the energy output by this wonderful device makes its EROEI “too low”.

I wrote a bit of satire on the ridiculous pretzel logic of the fossil nuke “energy experts” out there. I hope readers will get a good laugh and learn about the propaganda techniques used against renewable energy machines as well:

:>)

FOSSIL FUEL PROPAGANDA SATIRE

[size=18pt][color=blue]Ladies and gentlemen, I speak before you on a subject of paramount importance![/color][/size][/b] We must stop spending outrageous amounts of totally unjustified GOBS of WASTEFUL energy in making devices that simply DO NOT generate more energy than is used to manufacture them!

[color=maroon]I speak of that wasteful device called a PUSH MOWER! [/color][color=red]Have you any idea how much energy it takes to, like, HEAT metal to temperatures necessary to make the blades and bar for a push mower!!?[/color]

Why is that important? [i]Because we must be careful about building things that don’t run on fossil fuels.[/I] OOPS! Uh, I mean we don’t want to waste one tiny bit of the energy we have, now do we? grin

[size=12pt]So how do we find the answer to this energy question scientifically, truthfully, objectively and without any fibs either? [/size]

Well, first we must take a Systems Approach [I](very scientific, you see )[/I] to the issue.

A push mower lasts about 30 years. During that time a lawn is mowed about 6 times a year for a total of 180 times (average for 36.5 varieties of monocotyledon grass species growing at our United States of Texas land exploitation research parcels .

After carefully computing the number of blade rotations and BTUs generated by a, sniff, tree hugger human during this period, our team of Exxon scientists ( OOPS! I mean objective systems approach scientific personnel , of course – grin) determined that the generated BTUs TO CUT THE GRASS ARE ONLY 25% of the BTUs needed to manufacture the push mower!

[size=24pt][i][color=brown]This waste is a great grass stain on our society.[/color][/I][/size] [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gif[/img] :sorry: [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tissue.gif[/img] :whip:

HORRORS! [img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif[/img]

Energy, energy, energy! We can’t go wasting the precious, lovely, cheap, wholesome, high energy density fossil fuels we are running low on to make push mowers. We need that fossil fuel for our power mowers! [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif[/img][img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif[/img]

You see, if we don’t make those silly, uneconomical, LOW EROEI push mowers, the ICE (internal combustion engine) powered mowers will do the job with an average of 70% time savings on mowed lawns. Everyone knows that time saved equals a humongous amount of BTUs! [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/aliens/hae51.gif[/img]

You can then personally use all that energy to day trade fossil fuel stocks. Say what? Yeah, you can trade other stocks too but we are just trying to be objective here (Charlie, get that wise guy outta here. ;)).

[color=maroon][I]This research was brought to you out of the kindness of the heart of the

[b]Institute for the Scientific, Objective, Unbiased, Legal, Apple Pie Study of Accurate Assessments of NON-ICE powered Machines Damaging Our Oil Picture (ISOULAPSAANIMDOP).[/b] 8) [img]http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-031.gif[/img]

Our Corporate Headquarters are at P.O. Box 666, Cayman Islands. [/I] [img]http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Spiele/smilie_game_017.gif[/img][/color]

[move][b][i][size=14pt][color=green]Don’t miss the ISOULAPSAANIMDOP research soon to be published on the subject of energy to manufacture [/color][color=red]the horrendously wasteful Snow Shovels :emthdown:- VERY LOW EROEI – [/color][color=green]versus Snow throwers/Blowers :emthup:… :evil5: :evil6: :LolLolLolLol: [/color] [/size][/i][/b][/move]

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This will give a good exercise as well.