Comments on: Oil Refineries Have Been Price Gouging Like Crazy!

By: mds

mds — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 05:41:00 +0000

Yes, ranting against subsidies for renewables is dumber that ranting about subsidies for fossil fuels. We should be ranting about subsidies going to fossil fuels, not those going to renewables. Those who claim to be libertarians against all subsidies should be speaking and working to stop the largest dollar subsidies first, the fossil fuel subsides. Those like Steeple, who speak out against subsidies for solar and wind, but fail to mention the larger fossil fuel subsidies are frauds and hypocrites.

By: Volt Owner

Volt Owner — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:37:00 +0000

Did you mean to say the former is dumber than the later?

By: Volt Owner

Volt Owner — Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:35:00 +0000

Not that that moron would know, but that spelling originated on a Bugs Bunny cartoon, thus my bit about WB…

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:30:00 +0000

It comes from this picture. This dim bulb was protesting a peace gathering.

By: Volt Owner

Volt Owner — Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:44:00 +0000

Morans! (intentionally ignorant morans)
‘Cause even morons can’t help being so stupid.

Probably copyrighted by WB tho…

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:35:00 +0000

Let’s make this simpler. Using your example Steeple, it’s both you overly-dogmatic ninny! I’m going to do my best to talk my big brother into fighting for me instead of for big oil AND I’m going to do my best to provide a better, more economical solution. The later wins in the long run. The former helps you get there faster.
For the record: I don’t want to punch anyone in the nose. Revenge is pointless and the fossil fuels industry has served us all admirably for a over a century, as you say. I am fighting against their current perpetuation of false information, unfair and immoral influence over our government, and the resulting theft from the public coffers. You are ok with this and don’t think renewables should get anything from the public coffers even though this will clearly benefit us all. Your view is warped. It is the view of too many. I challenge that view.
The big oil and coal execs are making a mistake, as a few smarter than you point out. Fossil fuels is not going to win this fight, and yes it is a fight. They should be using their great wealth to invest in the alternatives that are going to win. They are trapped by their own greed:
“There is no warmth to be found amongst those afraid of losing their ground.” THAT is why it’s a fight. Figure it out and pick a side ….but by default you already have.

By: Steeple

Steeple — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:30:00 +0000

Bet I have more LED lights installed in my home than you do, champ

By: Steeple

Steeple — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:27:00 +0000

Bob, we’re all on the same team.

I would love to see the day where we are getting most of our power from renewable sources, and where we can use our natural gas as a motor fuel instead of simply burning it for power. And where we have widespread installation of energy efficient LED lighting and the like.

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:24:00 +0000

Renewables solutions are winning more and more by the high road. We would not be here without help: Carter’s incentives and foresight, Germany’s huge contribution, more recently Obama’s incentive and loans, China’s incentives, and others.
Yes, I got my moon shot with Obama and it cost far far less than you imply by calling it a moon shot. It cost far, far less than the Gulf wars, Afghanistan, Iraq, the effect of the trade deficit on our economy, the effect of high oil prices on our economy, the Gulf oil spill, the health effects of coal, and on.
I got my moon shot and you can just suck it up, because your moon shot isn’t a moon shot toward a solution at all, it’s just the same old thing that’s not working …and the cost is killing the country …@#$(&@.
I voted and I’ve seen somebody with a brain in the white house for a change. Now we have an unstoppable level of development for wind, solar, EVs, and PHEVs. Energy storage is right behind them and reduced electricity use from conservation and LED lights is already here. If goofballs like you could figure it out and get out of the way, then we could progress toward a solution faster.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:20:00 +0000

Yeah. Take it easy on those who can’t do anything about their condition.

Those who are intentionally ignorant? Different story.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:19:00 +0000

Read some history, Steeple. Read up on things like the transcontinental railroad, electric grid, paved roads, air travel.

I recognize that libertarians believe that they built the hospital they were born in and paved the roads they rode home on. But most of us live in the real world. We can recognize what others have contributed to our lives. Even Republicans largely get that.

I think we’re going to have to win the war with fossil fuels largely by innovation because the fossil fuel industry has enough money to influence an adequate number of legislators needed to protect their profits.

We’re winning.

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:05:00 +0000

Point taken. Sorry. No offense intended toward the mentally disabled. The people we’re talking about should know better but they’re twistsed. How about “idiots” …or “epsilon semi-morons”?

By: Steeple

Steeple — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:03:00 +0000

Ok, let’s try this.

I have asked my congressman to introduce the SMS Act of 2013; the Steeple Moon Shot Act. I want to go to the moon, and I want others to pay for it. Write to your congressman too and perhaps you can go along too!

I know that you would like a pat on the head for saving the world, and all of the Chinese who are burning coal and cow dung in order to have a good life are very appreciative of your efforts.

So you want to beat Big Oil? Good for you. Here are two different ways to get there.

One way is to call your big brother who has weally big muscles, the one in DC, and perhaps he can go punch Big Oil and win your fight for you. You’ll look like a weenie, but you won and that’s all that matters, right? Kind of like when the Big 3 automakers bought up all of the street car companies and closed them down.

Or you could take the high road and fight the battle by winning on merit. Produce products that are more competitive. Kind of like Apple vs Microsoft, cellphones vs landlines, etc… And who doesn’t love it when David slays Goliath. Probably would feel like a better win too.

So take your pick. By the way, America was built primarily using the second method.

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:01:00 +0000

Good view. Just stick with that. We are already at the tipping point. A significant few are beginning the change their views away from the fossil fuel bs and over to the renewables solutions. Witness the state wins over moneyed attacks on renewable energy mandates and the defeat of Faux News when deriding the GM Volt. Check the price trends. The general public is already beginning to understand renewables solutions ARE going to be better for their wallet. They already are in some cases. That is where we are going.
Now… this would be a lot less painful if we did not have so much money from the establish fossil fuel empire going into influencing our politics away from doing what the public wants and providing dis-information including inoculating people with false dogmas… like renewables would do better if they had to stand on their own. (At the end of this decade fine, BUT NOT YET! I WANT THEM GROWING FASTER FIRST! The best time, the most cost effective time, to get them growing faster is at the beginning. Obama and others have done this! Keep it rolling!)

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:49:00 +0000

…which is why I’m in favor of Obama’s “all of the above” approach, but I’m also in favor of reducing benefits to these highly profitable companies by billions, as Obama has suggested and failed to do several times. There is waaaayyy to much big money corrupting our politics and causing major tax dollars to be given to these large corporations that to not need or deserve it. (Thank you supreme court dirt bags.)
We cannot continue to improve and convert to renewables if we kill the current fossil fuel based economy …so yes the short term has importance too, BUT you must have a long term plan or series of short term plans can lead to a dead end and you are dead or impoverished. The ant and the grasshopper dude! You are in favor on unfettered capitalism until it leads to an Easter Island result, lame.
Additional federal funds to fossil fuels companies is charity to the rich. Additional federal funds as incentives to solar, wind, other renewables, EVs, and PHEVs are working and are the answer to how more of us can live reasonably well on this island. Wake-up your brain! Think outside of the dogma! See what is actually happening! Oil is getting expensive, with only minor and temporary drops. We are now exporting more oil and it remains over $100 a barrel. Solar, Wind, EVs, PHEVs, and energy storage are all getting cheaper. Now… where to invest money…? I know invest in oil, because we can control the politics and force the commoners to buy this at high price margins. Rant against this. Vote against this. …and for the sake of our country in the future get those fat beggars off of the federal tit!!! They are already making enough money. Sorry, I’m outraged at the continued charity to the rich. Guess I’m just funny that way.

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:30:00 +0000

yep

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:29:00 +0000

“By the way, I’ve already replied about my opposition to all forms of energy subsidies.” Nonsense, you only ever complain about energy subsidies for renewables. (As you have just done again with ref to EVs this time.) An unfriendly reminder. If you’re going to dish it out, then expect it to come back and don’t try to hide behind “friendly”. Polite people with unfair and unreasonable agendas, are not good people, even if they hide behind good etiquette. I prefer a little rudeness coming from those trying to do right. …and I do feel better.

By: mds

mds — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:20:00 +0000

More rants over oil gouging and less rants over subsidies/incentives for alternative renewable energies, EVs, and PHEVs! Just say’in the later is dumber than the former. These oil companies are still raking it in from USA federal government tax breaks and loop holes.

By: Bob_Wallace

Bob_Wallace — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:15:00 +0000

You’re simply underlining the reason that we need ample government involvement in the market.

Concentrate only on winning quarters and you may not build in the endurance to play four and overtime.

By: Steeple

Steeple — Fri, 12 Jul 2013 17:15:00 +0000

If you like to read books, you might enjoy this one

http://www.amazon.com/The-Wisdom-Crowds-James-Surowiecki/dp/0385721706