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	<title>Comments on: US Solar To Hit Grid Parity 2014&#8211;2017 (+ More Solar PV Charts, Sort Of&#8230;)</title>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly - In places with high renewable potential and low population density (like much of the South, Mid-West and South-West US) I don&#039;t actually see electricity prices rising substantially in the next 15 years. (Unless there&#039;s a carbon tax or some other change in policy).

The reason for this? Simply that the renewable market is growing rather rapidly and the price of renewables are declining. With existing infrastructure in conventional plants, if you add enough capacity that you end up retiring the most expensive 2-5% of your conventional generation every year, it makes a huge impact on pricing. 

Even if the price of every source rises consistently from year to year, as you trim off the most expensive production methods, the end price will stay fairly stable...

Add in the fact that roof-top solar is almost at grid parity in most of these places (if it&#039;s not already there) and I just don&#039;t see prices going up substantially...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly &#8211; In places with high renewable potential and low population density (like much of the South, Mid-West and South-West US) I don&#8217;t actually see electricity prices rising substantially in the next 15 years. (Unless there&#8217;s a carbon tax or some other change in policy).</p>
<p>The reason for this? Simply that the renewable market is growing rather rapidly and the price of renewables are declining. With existing infrastructure in conventional plants, if you add enough capacity that you end up retiring the most expensive 2-5% of your conventional generation every year, it makes a huge impact on pricing. </p>
<p>Even if the price of every source rises consistently from year to year, as you trim off the most expensive production methods, the end price will stay fairly stable&#8230;</p>
<p>Add in the fact that roof-top solar is almost at grid parity in most of these places (if it&#8217;s not already there) and I just don&#8217;t see prices going up substantially&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jouni Valkonen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jouni Valkonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that the roof-top solar boom in US is starting from North-East, because there is more favorable political climate for solar. The insolation did not prevent Germany to install 100 GW solar by 2017.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the roof-top solar boom in US is starting from North-East, because there is more favorable political climate for solar. The insolation did not prevent Germany to install 100 GW solar by 2017.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like it...

In the United States, 99% of solar photovoltaic installations were net metered, signifying that net metering in the United States is preferred by far over the alternatives, which are off-grid solar and on-grid but not net metered solar.

 http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/19/99-of-2012-us-solar-pv-installations-were-net-metered/#3xOtWxcB3GettUgq.99

Currently, 43 states plus D.C. have implemented net metering policies. While many states have adopted net metering, types of NEM policies vary significantly by state. Vote Solar put together an index that grades each state by the effectiveness of their respective NEM policy.

http://www.seia.org/research-resources/net-metering-state

A lot of those states get a grade A or B.  (Of course it&#039;s easy to guess where the F states are located.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it&#8230;</p>
<p>In the United States, 99% of solar photovoltaic installations were net metered, signifying that net metering in the United States is preferred by far over the alternatives, which are off-grid solar and on-grid but not net metered solar.</p>
<p> <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/19/99-of-2012-us-solar-pv-installations-were-net-metered/#3xOtWxcB3GettUgq.99" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/19/99-of-2012-us-solar-pv-installations-were-net-metered/#3xOtWxcB3GettUgq.99</a></p>
<p>Currently, 43 states plus D.C. have implemented net metering policies. While many states have adopted net metering, types of NEM policies vary significantly by state. Vote Solar put together an index that grades each state by the effectiveness of their respective NEM policy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seia.org/research-resources/net-metering-state" rel="nofollow">http://www.seia.org/research-resources/net-metering-state</a></p>
<p>A lot of those states get a grade A or B.  (Of course it&#8217;s easy to guess where the F states are located.)</p>
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		<title>By: arne-nl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do they have net metering in those Mid Atlantic states with high electricity prices?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they have net metering in those Mid Atlantic states with high electricity prices?</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Pelotas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan Pelotas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been at residential grid price for some time now (with the feds incentive); the problem is not panels anymore; it&#039;s the installation cost. Most programs require professional installation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been at residential grid price for some time now (with the feds incentive); the problem is not panels anymore; it&#8217;s the installation cost. Most programs require professional installation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also agree.  These folks likely underestimate.  

Solar prices, including installation costs, are coming down.  Panel prices are expected to drop by one-third in the next three years.

The western world is recovering from the 2008 economic crash.  There&#039;s more money to spend on getting solar on rooftops and less anxiety causing people to avoid investing.

Concern about climate change is growing. 
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I would expect we would see end-user solar installation rates highest in areas with the highest retail electricity rates.  The New England and Middle Atlantic states have higher than average electricity costs which makes solar a good investment even though they might get a bit less sun (annually) than Southwest states.

Look at how much solar New Jersey has installed.

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree.  These folks likely underestimate.  </p>
<p>Solar prices, including installation costs, are coming down.  Panel prices are expected to drop by one-third in the next three years.</p>
<p>The western world is recovering from the 2008 economic crash.  There&#8217;s more money to spend on getting solar on rooftops and less anxiety causing people to avoid investing.</p>
<p>Concern about climate change is growing.<br />
&#8212;  </p>
<p>I would expect we would see end-user solar installation rates highest in areas with the highest retail electricity rates.  The New England and Middle Atlantic states have higher than average electricity costs which makes solar a good investment even though they might get a bit less sun (annually) than Southwest states.</p>
<p>Look at how much solar New Jersey has installed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First graph - terrible job of color selection.
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I question whether grid prices will rise that fast.  What we&#039;re seeing in places that have installed a lot of renewables (solar in Germany, wind in Texas) is that it&#039;s making electricity cheaper or at least dampening the rate of price increase.


A lot more solar on US grids will cut the amount of expensive peaker power used and lower the merit order price ceiling across the board.  Just removing a little demand can have a very large effect on peak settling price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First graph &#8211; terrible job of color selection.<br />
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<p>I question whether grid prices will rise that fast.  What we&#8217;re seeing in places that have installed a lot of renewables (solar in Germany, wind in Texas) is that it&#8217;s making electricity cheaper or at least dampening the rate of price increase.</p>
<p>A lot more solar on US grids will cut the amount of expensive peaker power used and lower the merit order price ceiling across the board.  Just removing a little demand can have a very large effect on peak settling price.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesWimberley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second this. The chart shows a clear point of inflection at the present, with an unexplained and improbable slowdown in the adoption of a technology which is not only getting cheaper on trend, but now regularly hitting grid parity tipping points. You&#039;d expect growth to accelerate if anything. McKinsey ran a scenario on those very lines.

Another point is that the US average LCOE is not very useful. Electricity markets are state not federal, and insolation varies regionally. So with grid parity already there in the Southwest, you&#039;d expect mass adoption starting there and spreading  E and N.  I&#039;d add that without the cost-of-capital number for LCOE, which depends on public policy and financial intermediaries, you can&#039;t evaluate the estimates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second this. The chart shows a clear point of inflection at the present, with an unexplained and improbable slowdown in the adoption of a technology which is not only getting cheaper on trend, but now regularly hitting grid parity tipping points. You&#8217;d expect growth to accelerate if anything. McKinsey ran a scenario on those very lines.</p>
<p>Another point is that the US average LCOE is not very useful. Electricity markets are state not federal, and insolation varies regionally. So with grid parity already there in the Southwest, you&#8217;d expect mass adoption starting there and spreading  E and N.  I&#8217;d add that without the cost-of-capital number for LCOE, which depends on public policy and financial intermediaries, you can&#8217;t evaluate the estimates.</p>
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		<title>By: Jouni Valkonen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jouni Valkonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that Figure 4 is too pessimistic. linear projection is certainly not good approach. The solar production will increase exponentially, because the price per watt is declining at quite significant rate — still at least one or two decades. And as global grid parity is archieved around 2015, the installation rate of solar power will accelerate greatly.

Also battery storage technology is improving exponentelly. And battery storage technology makes roof-top solar very attractive and significant player.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Figure 4 is too pessimistic. linear projection is certainly not good approach. The solar production will increase exponentially, because the price per watt is declining at quite significant rate — still at least one or two decades. And as global grid parity is archieved around 2015, the installation rate of solar power will accelerate greatly.</p>
<p>Also battery storage technology is improving exponentelly. And battery storage technology makes roof-top solar very attractive and significant player.</p>
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