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	<title>Comments on: $1 Billion Nuclear Power Project Abandoned In Iowa</title>
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		<title>By: light</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[light]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2013 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar not the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar not the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two days and you have yet to find some place where I have advocated closing down all existing reactors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two days and you have yet to find some place where I have advocated closing down all existing reactors.</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomRules76</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FreedomRules76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[50 MW? Wow...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 MW? Wow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomRules76</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FreedomRules76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice to know I still have it...
You on the other hand lost it long ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to know I still have it&#8230;<br />
You on the other hand lost it long ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CaptD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[World Bank says no money for nuclear power...

https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieI0sSSXRKjbPEqzMWJFLiqIckMw?docId=09e97e2c-51da-41fb-81bd-98f8379e4480&amp;hl=en]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World Bank says no money for nuclear power&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieI0sSSXRKjbPEqzMWJFLiqIckMw?docId=09e97e2c-51da-41fb-81bd-98f8379e4480&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieI0sSSXRKjbPEqzMWJFLiqIckMw?docId=09e97e2c-51da-41fb-81bd-98f8379e4480&#038;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: CaptD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China has the land mass, money and smarts to do it, all they need to do is to decide to do it,

Solar (of all flavors) will be THE energy source of the future...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has the land mass, money and smarts to do it, all they need to do is to decide to do it,</p>
<p>Solar (of all flavors) will be THE energy source of the future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Find some place where I have advocated closing down all existing reactors. 
Your credibility is on the line....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Find some place where I have advocated closing down all existing reactors.<br />
Your credibility is on the line&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomRules76</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FreedomRules76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The issue is not how much electricity costs from a reactor built decades ago and now paid off. The issue is now much electricity from a new reactor would cost.&quot;
So then why do you want to shut current reactors down? I guess it&#039;s tough to argue coherently when you have to cherry-pick facts to suit the reasoning of the moment. 
Once you figure out that advocating for wind and solar doesn&#039;t make you a better person, maybe we can have a real discussion about energy policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The issue is not how much electricity costs from a reactor built decades ago and now paid off. The issue is now much electricity from a new reactor would cost.&#8221;<br />
So then why do you want to shut current reactors down? I guess it&#8217;s tough to argue coherently when you have to cherry-pick facts to suit the reasoning of the moment.<br />
Once you figure out that advocating for wind and solar doesn&#8217;t make you a better person, maybe we can have a real discussion about energy policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194336</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually we can power a world full of 9 billion people several times over with the solar energy we have available.

We laugh at your ignorance....

(Obviously a 100% solar grid is not the best approach.  Combining solar, wind and other renewables is the smartest route.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we can power a world full of 9 billion people several times over with the solar energy we have available.</p>
<p>We laugh at your ignorance&#8230;.</p>
<p>(Obviously a 100% solar grid is not the best approach.  Combining solar, wind and other renewables is the smartest route.)</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomRules76</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-194331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FreedomRules76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are they? You think a nation of 1.3 billion people can power them all with solar? hahahahahaha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they? You think a nation of 1.3 billion people can power them all with solar? hahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: fireofenergy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fireofenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya, the same thing... You don&#039;t &quot;like&quot; any form of nuclear.


My last comment (that I pasted from a law professional in caps) basically sums it up. New and safer nuclear is not yet supported within the constraints of the LAW, not of technology and thus will not be built in the very near future.


However, from a tech pov, there is no Earth shattering reason for the (melt down proof) reactor designs to not be pursued, once the law is cleared for serious coal replacement.


After reading that pdf, I will now fight even harder to get everybody to realize how important the molten salt reactor (and similar) really can be and promote such favorable laws! I really like the idea of the IFR&#039;s ability to recycle LWR spent fuel, despite the fact that there was an accident back in the pioneering days.


There has been many more fossil fuels related accidents per TWh, thus the basis for my reasoning... Nuclear is better than FF&#039;s (and even better for electrifying entire planetary civilizations).


I will now refrain from commenting from here on out as I realize that there is NO room for ANY kind of fission concepts (proven or not) on your(?) website. If this is not your website, then I will gladly continue to comment :)


Anyways, keep up the good work on promoting wind and solar... With 7,000,000,000 people on this planet, I&#039;m sure there&#039;s room for all three!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, the same thing&#8230; You don&#8217;t &#8220;like&#8221; any form of nuclear.</p>
<p>My last comment (that I pasted from a law professional in caps) basically sums it up. New and safer nuclear is not yet supported within the constraints of the LAW, not of technology and thus will not be built in the very near future.</p>
<p>However, from a tech pov, there is no Earth shattering reason for the (melt down proof) reactor designs to not be pursued, once the law is cleared for serious coal replacement.</p>
<p>After reading that pdf, I will now fight even harder to get everybody to realize how important the molten salt reactor (and similar) really can be and promote such favorable laws! I really like the idea of the IFR&#8217;s ability to recycle LWR spent fuel, despite the fact that there was an accident back in the pioneering days.</p>
<p>There has been many more fossil fuels related accidents per TWh, thus the basis for my reasoning&#8230; Nuclear is better than FF&#8217;s (and even better for electrifying entire planetary civilizations).</p>
<p>I will now refrain from commenting from here on out as I realize that there is NO room for ANY kind of fission concepts (proven or not) on your(?) website. If this is not your website, then I will gladly continue to comment <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Anyways, keep up the good work on promoting wind and solar&#8230; With 7,000,000,000 people on this planet, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s room for all three!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MSRs could not replace NG.  MSRs would only make the demand/supply matching problem more difficult.



You need to get past the point of nuclear = magic.


Nuclear is expensive.  Small reactors are almost certainly more expensive than large reactors.  



Many of the whiz-bang nuclear ideas are unproven and could not be proven out for many years.  And none of them seem to promise affordable energy, they deal only with meltdown danger.


Let not your brain be so open that the facts don&#039;t stick.  We&#039;re having to tell you the same things over and over and over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSRs could not replace NG.  MSRs would only make the demand/supply matching problem more difficult.</p>
<p>You need to get past the point of nuclear = magic.</p>
<p>Nuclear is expensive.  Small reactors are almost certainly more expensive than large reactors.  </p>
<p>Many of the whiz-bang nuclear ideas are unproven and could not be proven out for many years.  And none of them seem to promise affordable energy, they deal only with meltdown danger.</p>
<p>Let not your brain be so open that the facts don&#8217;t stick.  We&#8217;re having to tell you the same things over and over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: fireofenergy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fireofenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, using climate denial... I see.
It WILL be. Empirical evidence is obtained by the finding that the ppm in the air is accelerating, that oceans are already slightly more acidic ( as per the laws of chemistry) and that they are swelling (due to thermal expansion).
Non empirical evidence is in the fact that the chemical makeup of the biosphere was &quot;perfect&quot; for the development of humanity (and all other life forms at this time). Changing that make up will thus &quot;not&quot; be &quot;perfect&quot; for the continued life support.
Granted, a little excess CO2 can be dealt with by natural processes but too much will become an overload.

Best to deploy as much solar, wind and melt down proof nuclear to displace most coal, and oil (and use electric cars).


Speaking of melt down proof reactors such as the molten salt reactor, that &quot;trillion dollar eco disaster&quot; would never had happened!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, using climate denial&#8230; I see.<br />
It WILL be. Empirical evidence is obtained by the finding that the ppm in the air is accelerating, that oceans are already slightly more acidic ( as per the laws of chemistry) and that they are swelling (due to thermal expansion).<br />
Non empirical evidence is in the fact that the chemical makeup of the biosphere was &#8220;perfect&#8221; for the development of humanity (and all other life forms at this time). Changing that make up will thus &#8220;not&#8221; be &#8220;perfect&#8221; for the continued life support.<br />
Granted, a little excess CO2 can be dealt with by natural processes but too much will become an overload.</p>
<p>Best to deploy as much solar, wind and melt down proof nuclear to displace most coal, and oil (and use electric cars).</p>
<p>Speaking of melt down proof reactors such as the molten salt reactor, that &#8220;trillion dollar eco disaster&#8221; would never had happened!</p>
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		<title>By: CaptD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China is shifting ever more toward Solar (of all flavors), they cannot afford a Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster like Fukushima either...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is shifting ever more toward Solar (of all flavors), they cannot afford a Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster like Fukushima either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CaptD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CO2 is noting compared to another Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster like Fukushima - Ask The Japanese!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CO2 is noting compared to another Trillion Dollar Eco-Disaster like Fukushima &#8211; Ask The Japanese!</p>
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		<title>By: fireofenergy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fireofenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that we should ramp up the solar and wind, but would also like that MSR to displace much of the NG. To me that makes even more sense (from the excess CO2 pov). It will even make more sense in terms of dollars (when cheap NG isn&#039;t so cheap in the future).

So...let&#039;s try out this MSR idea (it&#039;s been proven safe because they actually turned OFF the power every weekend at the MSRE in Oak Ridge). The worst that could happen is a wacko flys a jet at it and the salts cool down (because it would be built to withstand the impact, but power would be pulled for safety evaluation)... power shuts off... and here is the worst LOTS of NG, coal or other fossil fuel is again used to displace it at night when the sun is down.

You see, I agree with you for the time being, just not in the long run because there is no reason (other than politics and money) to burn fossil fuels when there are melt down proof concepts to back up solar and wind.

~Let our minds not be so open as to spill the brains... but not so closed to prevent new possibility~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we should ramp up the solar and wind, but would also like that MSR to displace much of the NG. To me that makes even more sense (from the excess CO2 pov). It will even make more sense in terms of dollars (when cheap NG isn&#8217;t so cheap in the future).</p>
<p>So&#8230;let&#8217;s try out this MSR idea (it&#8217;s been proven safe because they actually turned OFF the power every weekend at the MSRE in Oak Ridge). The worst that could happen is a wacko flys a jet at it and the salts cool down (because it would be built to withstand the impact, but power would be pulled for safety evaluation)&#8230; power shuts off&#8230; and here is the worst LOTS of NG, coal or other fossil fuel is again used to displace it at night when the sun is down.</p>
<p>You see, I agree with you for the time being, just not in the long run because there is no reason (other than politics and money) to burn fossil fuels when there are melt down proof concepts to back up solar and wind.</p>
<p>~Let our minds not be so open as to spill the brains&#8230; but not so closed to prevent new possibility~</p>
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		<title>By: fireofenergy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fireofenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, the gov has (probably HAS to) allow for more NG.
NOT hooray. NOT victory ( I don&#039;t like having to emit EVEN MORE excess CO2).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, the gov has (probably HAS to) allow for more NG.<br />
NOT hooray. NOT victory ( I don&#8217;t like having to emit EVEN MORE excess CO2).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t need major amounts of storage now and won&#039;t for a number of years.  Research from the NREL finds that 40% of our electricity could come from wind and solar without any changes to the grids.  And that includes no need for storage.


This is the &quot;figure out storage&quot; phase.  We&#039;ll add small amounts of what looks promising and see how it works out.  See how we can reduce the price.


Storage right now is mainly going toward grid firming.  A modest amount of battery storage could take a large amount of &quot;spinning reserve&quot; off the grid and save a lot of fossil fuel burning.  And we need some storage at the wind/solar farm level so that they can see a 15 minute block of their own power without have to go to the peaking market and purchase expensive power if the wind unexpectedly drops or a cloud drifts over.


We&#039;re a long way from need storage to move wind/solar from one day to the next.  We can use all we are capable of producing as it is produced most of the time.  The few times/hours we curtail wind aren&#039;t enough to pay for even cheap storage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need major amounts of storage now and won&#8217;t for a number of years.  Research from the NREL finds that 40% of our electricity could come from wind and solar without any changes to the grids.  And that includes no need for storage.</p>
<p>This is the &#8220;figure out storage&#8221; phase.  We&#8217;ll add small amounts of what looks promising and see how it works out.  See how we can reduce the price.</p>
<p>Storage right now is mainly going toward grid firming.  A modest amount of battery storage could take a large amount of &#8220;spinning reserve&#8221; off the grid and save a lot of fossil fuel burning.  And we need some storage at the wind/solar farm level so that they can see a 15 minute block of their own power without have to go to the peaking market and purchase expensive power if the wind unexpectedly drops or a cloud drifts over.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re a long way from need storage to move wind/solar from one day to the next.  We can use all we are capable of producing as it is produced most of the time.  The few times/hours we curtail wind aren&#8217;t enough to pay for even cheap storage.</p>
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		<title>By: fireofenergy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fireofenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a global level, we need like 100 quads of clean energy AND efficiency (without accounting for any growth). That&#039;s equal to about 30 trillion kWh in a year (3,414 Btu in a kWh). Or about 80 billion in a day. IF the average capacity factors are 35% then we would have to store 65%... or about 50 billion kWh worth of electricity per day for the world.
On large regional levels, I&#039;m sure that only one day is needed (but for a house, we would need FAR more back up, as is defined by the &quot;general solar handbook&quot; because of weather).
Are you talking a global grid? If so, then perhaps, only a few hours are needed.


Ok, you made me see that we don&#039;t need &quot;terrawatts&quot; of storage... but we still need on the order of a thousand times the battery storage you mentioned (and we need it cheap).


We can not wait for storage, either... we need it as soon as PV and wind fills in, and then &quot;lets down&quot; the grid (a very high probability without planned machine automation for such storage).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a global level, we need like 100 quads of clean energy AND efficiency (without accounting for any growth). That&#8217;s equal to about 30 trillion kWh in a year (3,414 Btu in a kWh). Or about 80 billion in a day. IF the average capacity factors are 35% then we would have to store 65%&#8230; or about 50 billion kWh worth of electricity per day for the world.<br />
On large regional levels, I&#8217;m sure that only one day is needed (but for a house, we would need FAR more back up, as is defined by the &#8220;general solar handbook&#8221; because of weather).<br />
Are you talking a global grid? If so, then perhaps, only a few hours are needed.</p>
<p>Ok, you made me see that we don&#8217;t need &#8220;terrawatts&#8221; of storage&#8230; but we still need on the order of a thousand times the battery storage you mentioned (and we need it cheap).</p>
<p>We can not wait for storage, either&#8230; we need it as soon as PV and wind fills in, and then &#8220;lets down&#8221; the grid (a very high probability without planned machine automation for such storage).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/06/1-billion-dollar-nuclear-plant-dropped-in-iowa/#comment-192836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/?p=52561#comment-192836</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We need thousands of times that... into the terrawatt hours&quot;


Please show your math.  



RE: the nuclear idea.  It&#039;s just an idea.  Nothing like this has been built.  It would probably take more than a decade to design and build a test reactor.  Then, if it worked perfectly, another decade before we could build more than a handful more.


We need to have coal and much of the natural gas off our grids within the next 20 years.  We can&#039;t wait around to see if an idea works.  Many simply do not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need thousands of times that&#8230; into the terrawatt hours&#8221;</p>
<p>Please show your math.  </p>
<p>RE: the nuclear idea.  It&#8217;s just an idea.  Nothing like this has been built.  It would probably take more than a decade to design and build a test reactor.  Then, if it worked perfectly, another decade before we could build more than a handful more.</p>
<p>We need to have coal and much of the natural gas off our grids within the next 20 years.  We can&#8217;t wait around to see if an idea works.  Many simply do not.</p>
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