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	<title>Comments on: Fox Fails — Bashes Tesla For Years, Then Forgets It Had Government Loans! (i.e. Lies Through Its Teeth)</title>
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		<title>By: richardisdorky</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-261922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richardisdorky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear that same old song and dance all the time. &quot;Other _______ are bias too, so Fox that isn&#039;t bad.&quot;. Here&#039;s the think.  Everyone has some sort of bias.  That doesn&#039;t mean a thing.  What matters is whether or not that bias is justified by the facts.  Given Fox&#039;s history it is not their bias that is the problem.  It&#039;s that they are so often wrong or flat out lying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that same old song and dance all the time. &#8220;Other _______ are bias too, so Fox that isn&#8217;t bad.&#8221;. Here&#8217;s the think.  Everyone has some sort of bias.  That doesn&#8217;t mean a thing.  What matters is whether or not that bias is justified by the facts.  Given Fox&#8217;s history it is not their bias that is the problem.  It&#8217;s that they are so often wrong or flat out lying.</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-200493</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 06:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grow up ed.

&quot;If you can&#039;t say something nice, don&#039;t say anything at all&quot; is how immature people think mature people think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up ed.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t say something nice, don&#8217;t say anything at all&#8221; is how immature people think mature people think.</p>
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		<title>By: dr_bugs</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-176065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dr_bugs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for proving that you are another low-information moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for proving that you are another low-information moron.</p>
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		<title>By: dr_bugs</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-176064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dr_bugs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The writer obviously has no clue where electricity comes from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer obviously has no clue where electricity comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: kEiThZ</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-165102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kEiThZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nissan or Toyota buying them out?  That&#039;s laughable.  Musk has too many shares to let that happen.

And sure Tesla is a private enterprise.  But I can&#039;t believe any American who truly believes in capitalism would hold that against them.  Even more incredibly, it seems that some Americans have zero issues standing up for the likes of Chevron (a much larger private enterprise) or Shell and are willing to have government bend over backwards to accomodate them (please let them drill in environmentally sensitive areas), but suddenly raise the private enterprise flag when it comes to Tesla.  Talk about inconsistent principles and hypocrisy.

Even beyond that, did anybody complain when private enterprise largely built up the internet?  Or when private enterprise builds toll roads?  Or when private enterprise built up succesful railroad networks?  Why is Tesla any different?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissan or Toyota buying them out?  That&#8217;s laughable.  Musk has too many shares to let that happen.</p>
<p>And sure Tesla is a private enterprise.  But I can&#8217;t believe any American who truly believes in capitalism would hold that against them.  Even more incredibly, it seems that some Americans have zero issues standing up for the likes of Chevron (a much larger private enterprise) or Shell and are willing to have government bend over backwards to accomodate them (please let them drill in environmentally sensitive areas), but suddenly raise the private enterprise flag when it comes to Tesla.  Talk about inconsistent principles and hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Even beyond that, did anybody complain when private enterprise largely built up the internet?  Or when private enterprise builds toll roads?  Or when private enterprise built up succesful railroad networks?  Why is Tesla any different?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you so poorly informed that you don&#039;t know that many, many US corporations receive assistance from the federal government?


Turn off Fox.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you so poorly informed that you don&#8217;t know that many, many US corporations receive assistance from the federal government?</p>
<p>Turn off Fox.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fox, the Wall Street Journal and all other Murdoch media are more than sad jokes.  They harm America when they purposely spread lies.

2011-
&quot;The release yesterday of yet another survey indicating the more you watch Fox News the less they know, has once again shone a spotlight on one of the unique features that defines Rupert Murdoch&#039;s cable news outlet - it is very, very good at misinforming people. And it&#039;s very bad at reporting the news.

In other words: Propaganda? Yes. News? Not so much.&quot;

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/11/22/seven-surveys-make-a-trend-for-fox-and-viewers/167217

2012 -
&quot;A new survey from Farleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind finds that people who watch no news at all can answer more questions about international current events than people who watch cable news outlets like Fox News and MSNBC. The survey also finds that Fox News viewers are the worst-informed on domestic and international current events, while NPR listeners are the best-informed.&quot;

http://www.mediaite.com/online/yet-another-survey-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed-npr-listeners-best-informed/

2013 -
&quot;A recent study by PublicMind Poll, conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University, found that viewers of Fox News are less informed about world events than people who don’t watch any news at all.&quot;

http://internationalpost.co/fox-news-viewers-less-knowledgeable-than-people-who-watch-no-news-at-all-study/



We have American citizens going to the poll with their heads stuff full of lies.  How can we expect to govern ourselves when a portion of our voters are intentionally mislead?


No wonder our Congress is so dysfunctional.  A number of our elected officials are sent to Washington by people who have been fed lies.  And a number of our elected officials use Fox as their news source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox, the Wall Street Journal and all other Murdoch media are more than sad jokes.  They harm America when they purposely spread lies.</p>
<p>2011-<br />
&#8220;The release yesterday of yet another survey indicating the more you watch Fox News the less they know, has once again shone a spotlight on one of the unique features that defines Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s cable news outlet &#8211; it is very, very good at misinforming people. And it&#8217;s very bad at reporting the news.</p>
<p>In other words: Propaganda? Yes. News? Not so much.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/11/22/seven-surveys-make-a-trend-for-fox-and-viewers/167217" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/11/22/seven-surveys-make-a-trend-for-fox-and-viewers/167217</a></p>
<p>2012 &#8211;<br />
&#8220;A new survey from Farleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind finds that people who watch no news at all can answer more questions about international current events than people who watch cable news outlets like Fox News and MSNBC. The survey also finds that Fox News viewers are the worst-informed on domestic and international current events, while NPR listeners are the best-informed.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/yet-another-survey-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed-npr-listeners-best-informed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediaite.com/online/yet-another-survey-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed-npr-listeners-best-informed/</a></p>
<p>2013 &#8211;<br />
&#8220;A recent study by PublicMind Poll, conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University, found that viewers of Fox News are less informed about world events than people who don’t watch any news at all.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://internationalpost.co/fox-news-viewers-less-knowledgeable-than-people-who-watch-no-news-at-all-study/" rel="nofollow">http://internationalpost.co/fox-news-viewers-less-knowledgeable-than-people-who-watch-no-news-at-all-study/</a></p>
<p>We have American citizens going to the poll with their heads stuff full of lies.  How can we expect to govern ourselves when a portion of our voters are intentionally mislead?</p>
<p>No wonder our Congress is so dysfunctional.  A number of our elected officials are sent to Washington by people who have been fed lies.  And a number of our elected officials use Fox as their news source.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt any individual american  hates Tesla.
 Going to the moon involved national pride and could only be done with your money. Highways serve all of us and is part of the federal mandate to provide infrastructure.
Tesla is none of that. It is a private interprise that exists to make money. I agree, thay may have honerable intentions but the bottom line is to make money.  They really will when  someone like Nissan or Toyota buys them out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any individual american  hates Tesla.<br />
 Going to the moon involved national pride and could only be done with your money. Highways serve all of us and is part of the federal mandate to provide infrastructure.<br />
Tesla is none of that. It is a private interprise that exists to make money. I agree, thay may have honerable intentions but the bottom line is to make money.  They really will when  someone like Nissan or Toyota buys them out.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your personal opinion is fine. Calling people liers and full of crap is not beneficial to anyone and does not further the cause to improve our countries  future needs for energy.  Come up with some constructive ideas. I am interested in hearing them]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your personal opinion is fine. Calling people liers and full of crap is not beneficial to anyone and does not further the cause to improve our countries  future needs for energy.  Come up with some constructive ideas. I am interested in hearing them</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ranting about Fox News is not the subject of this forum.  I do not mind anyone saying Fox got it wrong and is having a problem righting it&#039;s position. Calling Fox a sad Joke and so on and so  goes beyond what  this forum is about and not the personal opinion and atttack on an entity you do not agree with.
I hope we never see $7.00 dollar gas. That hurts the poor guy who cannot afford a new , high mileage vehicle but still needs his/her existing  vehicle to get to work. The only people who would benefit would be people who own a Tesla like vehicle or own Tesla like stock.
As far as subsidies, call you congressman and do something about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranting about Fox News is not the subject of this forum.  I do not mind anyone saying Fox got it wrong and is having a problem righting it&#8217;s position. Calling Fox a sad Joke and so on and so  goes beyond what  this forum is about and not the personal opinion and atttack on an entity you do not agree with.<br />
I hope we never see $7.00 dollar gas. That hurts the poor guy who cannot afford a new , high mileage vehicle but still needs his/her existing  vehicle to get to work. The only people who would benefit would be people who own a Tesla like vehicle or own Tesla like stock.<br />
As far as subsidies, call you congressman and do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cash out your investments, if you have any, and sell Tesla short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash out your investments, if you have any, and sell Tesla short.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What company/companies are you thinking about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What company/companies are you thinking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Elonpolishesmynob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elonpolishesmynob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TESLA will fail.  They have sold all the cars they could for the past year, and in a few months, after meeting their production demands, the plant will sit idle for months just like all the other ECV plants did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TESLA will fail.  They have sold all the cars they could for the past year, and in a few months, after meeting their production demands, the plant will sit idle for months just like all the other ECV plants did.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesla</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-164113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Tesla is the first American car company to hit mass production in about 50  years.&quot;
Really?  That comment alone shows how ignorant the writer of this article is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tesla is the first American car company to hit mass production in about 50  years.&#8221;<br />
Really?  That comment alone shows how ignorant the writer of this article is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very sad and ashamed to say that rupert murdoch is an australian.  The lies and omissions perpertrated by his media companies have become so blatant its ridiculous.  Whats even sadder is that some people believe the crap he peddles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very sad and ashamed to say that rupert murdoch is an australian.  The lies and omissions perpertrated by his media companies have become so blatant its ridiculous.  Whats even sadder is that some people believe the crap he peddles.</p>
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		<title>By: Deni Diesel</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deni Diesel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lighten up youngun&#039;
Learn from (all of) history or repeat its lessons.  Americans have become myopic in our retrospection and need to reach back a few thousand years at historical human behavior to learn from its consequences.  Every choice has a consequence.  Too much short term gratification going on in the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lighten up youngun&#8217;<br />
Learn from (all of) history or repeat its lessons.  Americans have become myopic in our retrospection and need to reach back a few thousand years at historical human behavior to learn from its consequences.  Every choice has a consequence.  Too much short term gratification going on in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Diamond</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Diamond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Foxnesia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foxnesia!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Rose</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always enjoy how they are always certain to reference Bush for starting this government loan program. Oh, wait...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always enjoy how they are always certain to reference Bush for starting this government loan program. Oh, wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J_JamesM</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J_JamesM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arguably, investing in job creation is EXACTLY what we should be doing with unemployment so high, wages so flat, the deficit falling faster than at any time since WW2, and interest rates so low, but whatever. Who listens to the Keynesians anymore...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguably, investing in job creation is EXACTLY what we should be doing with unemployment so high, wages so flat, the deficit falling faster than at any time since WW2, and interest rates so low, but whatever. Who listens to the Keynesians anymore&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/fox-bashes-tesla-motors-for-years-now-forgets-about-that-and-lies/#comment-163816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything is retaliative.

If you are someone whose beliefs are on the far, far right then all media is left-leaning and there are no conservative parties.

If you are someone whose beliefs are on the far, far left then all media is right-leaning and there are no liberal parties.



Most people live between the extremes....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is retaliative.</p>
<p>If you are someone whose beliefs are on the far, far right then all media is left-leaning and there are no conservative parties.</p>
<p>If you are someone whose beliefs are on the far, far left then all media is right-leaning and there are no liberal parties.</p>
<p>Most people live between the extremes&#8230;.</p>
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