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	<title>Comments on: Affordable Solar Announces Solar Leasing For New Mexico</title>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-198004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends what part of New Mexico you&#039;re talking about - southern NM, not so much, but in the northern mountains, it can snow quite a bit during winter, but then you also get a lot of sunny days - not like the northwest or northeast where there are more cloudy than sunny days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends what part of New Mexico you&#8217;re talking about &#8211; southern NM, not so much, but in the northern mountains, it can snow quite a bit during winter, but then you also get a lot of sunny days &#8211; not like the northwest or northeast where there are more cloudy than sunny days.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-165321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note: @ronwint:disqus 
Can we get that information? Because at $3/W I think I can get family, and a few neighbors to invest...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: @ronwint:disqus<br />
Can we get that information? Because at $3/W I think I can get family, and a few neighbors to invest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve missed my point. I am not making an argument between solar ownership and solar leasing. Doing so only hurts the adoption/support of solar energy and is misguided as ownership and leasing is not apples-to-apples in the first place. Ownership is about a product (solar pv system) and leasing is about a service (lower electric bills).


I am a full supporter of both ownership and leasing since it&#039;s clear that there is not a one-size-fits-all solution. As a retiree, I would not want to be told, &quot;Sorry, you represent a very small percentage of the population, and can&#039;t go solar&quot;.


The general public (no matter how small of the population they may or may not represent) should have options for going solar and I could not be happier that for New Mexican&#039;s, like myself, there is now another way to go solar and take advantage of our abundant southwest sun.


Homeowners who lease solar do not need luck to transfer their lease agreements to new buyers, just as homeowners who own their pv system don&#039;t need it to realize the added value upon resale. They both need an educated buyer with common sense and who wants to pay less on their electric bill.


PACE financing is a wonderful idea, but unfortunately is still held up in the courts and not a viable current option for New Mexicans.


As for your answer, I did what I would expect anyone else to do. I researched my options and chose the best solution that made sense in my particular instance. It just so happened that leasing was a better choice for me.


Reputable solar companies do not suppress or propagandize one option over the other. Here&#039;s to Affordable Solar and Sunnova for offering both options and leaving it up to the consumer to choose.


Solar energy financing (own or lease) is not a thing of the past and blind support for only one option is the only foolish thing here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve missed my point. I am not making an argument between solar ownership and solar leasing. Doing so only hurts the adoption/support of solar energy and is misguided as ownership and leasing is not apples-to-apples in the first place. Ownership is about a product (solar pv system) and leasing is about a service (lower electric bills).</p>
<p>I am a full supporter of both ownership and leasing since it&#8217;s clear that there is not a one-size-fits-all solution. As a retiree, I would not want to be told, &#8220;Sorry, you represent a very small percentage of the population, and can&#8217;t go solar&#8221;.</p>
<p>The general public (no matter how small of the population they may or may not represent) should have options for going solar and I could not be happier that for New Mexican&#8217;s, like myself, there is now another way to go solar and take advantage of our abundant southwest sun.</p>
<p>Homeowners who lease solar do not need luck to transfer their lease agreements to new buyers, just as homeowners who own their pv system don&#8217;t need it to realize the added value upon resale. They both need an educated buyer with common sense and who wants to pay less on their electric bill.</p>
<p>PACE financing is a wonderful idea, but unfortunately is still held up in the courts and not a viable current option for New Mexicans.</p>
<p>As for your answer, I did what I would expect anyone else to do. I researched my options and chose the best solution that made sense in my particular instance. It just so happened that leasing was a better choice for me.</p>
<p>Reputable solar companies do not suppress or propagandize one option over the other. Here&#8217;s to Affordable Solar and Sunnova for offering both options and leaving it up to the consumer to choose.</p>
<p>Solar energy financing (own or lease) is not a thing of the past and blind support for only one option is the only foolish thing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; in most parts of the county the cost for an installed grid tie solar system can be at $3.00 a watt or less (professionally installed) before incentives&quot;


Is anyone aggregating that data?


If so, we can make it public.  And when low prices are made public they should help bring prices down in other areas.


This site is all about solutions.  Helping to drive down the cost of solar and increasing installation rates is a major solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; in most parts of the county the cost for an installed grid tie solar system can be at $3.00 a watt or less (professionally installed) before incentives&#8221;</p>
<p>Is anyone aggregating that data?</p>
<p>If so, we can make it public.  And when low prices are made public they should help bring prices down in other areas.</p>
<p>This site is all about solutions.  Helping to drive down the cost of solar and increasing installation rates is a major solution.</p>
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		<title>By: ronwint</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronwint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I know of a source and they&#039;re not just regional. They&#039;re national. There are of course certain areas of the country that require that installations be performed by specially authorized (registered) contractors. And in those states the labor market is higher (protected) but in most parts of the county the cost for an installed grid tie solar system can be at $3.00 a watt or less (professionally installed) before incentives. Self installed system are $1.00 to $1.30 less. Consumers just aren&#039;t shopping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know of a source and they&#8217;re not just regional. They&#8217;re national. There are of course certain areas of the country that require that installations be performed by specially authorized (registered) contractors. And in those states the labor market is higher (protected) but in most parts of the county the cost for an installed grid tie solar system can be at $3.00 a watt or less (professionally installed) before incentives. Self installed system are $1.00 to $1.30 less. Consumers just aren&#8217;t shopping.</p>
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		<title>By: ronwint</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronwint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The number of people who can&#039;t take advantage of the tax credit is a very small percentage of the population. And you don&#039;t have to write a big check or any check at all with a $0 down FHA Title 1 solar loan. A lease might be slightly better than paying your electric bill after factoring the leasing company&#039;s 2.9% to 3.9% annual payment escalator but a lease doesn&#039;t hold a candle to a $0 down FHA solar loan. The interest on an FHA $0 down loan is tax deductible while the payments on a solar lease are not. You only need a
650 credit score with a $0 down solar loan and no home equity is required. Then there&#039;s the issue of selling your home with a lease attached to it. Good luck finding a home buyer at year 8 or10 that will want to assume your remaining lease payments on a ecade old solar system on your roof, when they can buy and
own a brand new solar system for so much less. Both solar leases and PPAs will be a thing of the past now that zero down solar loans and zero down PACE
(Property Assessed Clean Energy) loan are available. And since you&#039;re saving, literally, tens of thousands of dollars by purchasing instead of leasing, your
maintenance (what little there is) and your inverter replacement, as well as insurance is taken care of many times over with plenty of money to spare over
the life of an owned system. My question to you is this: Would you opt for lower electric bills for much better numbers than your leasing example provides
with no upfront cost with a solar loan instead of a lease? Most of the general public will be in CA, AZ, CO, NJ, NY, MN, FL, MA, OR, MO, and on and on, once they learn more about the solar loan information that the leasing companies have been suppressing with all their leasing propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of people who can&#8217;t take advantage of the tax credit is a very small percentage of the population. And you don&#8217;t have to write a big check or any check at all with a $0 down FHA Title 1 solar loan. A lease might be slightly better than paying your electric bill after factoring the leasing company&#8217;s 2.9% to 3.9% annual payment escalator but a lease doesn&#8217;t hold a candle to a $0 down FHA solar loan. The interest on an FHA $0 down loan is tax deductible while the payments on a solar lease are not. You only need a<br />
650 credit score with a $0 down solar loan and no home equity is required. Then there&#8217;s the issue of selling your home with a lease attached to it. Good luck finding a home buyer at year 8 or10 that will want to assume your remaining lease payments on a ecade old solar system on your roof, when they can buy and<br />
own a brand new solar system for so much less. Both solar leases and PPAs will be a thing of the past now that zero down solar loans and zero down PACE<br />
(Property Assessed Clean Energy) loan are available. And since you&#8217;re saving, literally, tens of thousands of dollars by purchasing instead of leasing, your<br />
maintenance (what little there is) and your inverter replacement, as well as insurance is taken care of many times over with plenty of money to spare over<br />
the life of an owned system. My question to you is this: Would you opt for lower electric bills for much better numbers than your leasing example provides<br />
with no upfront cost with a solar loan instead of a lease? Most of the general public will be in CA, AZ, CO, NJ, NY, MN, FL, MA, OR, MO, and on and on, once they learn more about the solar loan information that the leasing companies have been suppressing with all their leasing propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Bob.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Bob.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main goal, as far as I&#039;m concerned, is getting a lot of solar on the grid as quickly as possible so that we can cut back on fossil fuel use.


In general owning is probably financially better than leasing, but as long as the roof-owner is paying less per month than purchasing power from the grid and there&#039;s more solar installed it&#039;s a win-win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main goal, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, is getting a lot of solar on the grid as quickly as possible so that we can cut back on fossil fuel use.</p>
<p>In general owning is probably financially better than leasing, but as long as the roof-owner is paying less per month than purchasing power from the grid and there&#8217;s more solar installed it&#8217;s a win-win.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-164462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ronwint,

I agree that $13.5k (pre-incentives) is a much closer estimate than $18k. I&#039;m familiar with the NM market delivering a turnkey grid-tied system for sub $13k ($2.85/W).

However, say someone doesn&#039;t want to/can&#039;t write a big check, or can&#039;t realize the tax credits (retired, disabled, other), or doesn&#039;t want to wait for payback, or doesn&#039;t want to pay more in homeowner&#039;s ins. or any other valid reason for non-owership, then leasing is a great option and still comes out ahead versus staying with your electric provider. Lease solar for $79/mo (0 Down 0 Esc) over 25 years = $23,700. Stay with electric provider for $110/mo, which is roughly what a 4kW (nominal) system would zero out, over 25 years = $33,000 (assuming no rate increase!). That&#039;s a difference of $9,300 over 25 years ($372/year or $31/mo). Would you opt for lower electric bills for these numbers with no upfront cost? Most of the general public would and are in CA, AZ, CO with 75-80% of new systems adopted via leasing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ronwint,</p>
<p>I agree that $13.5k (pre-incentives) is a much closer estimate than $18k. I&#8217;m familiar with the NM market delivering a turnkey grid-tied system for sub $13k ($2.85/W).</p>
<p>However, say someone doesn&#8217;t want to/can&#8217;t write a big check, or can&#8217;t realize the tax credits (retired, disabled, other), or doesn&#8217;t want to wait for payback, or doesn&#8217;t want to pay more in homeowner&#8217;s ins. or any other valid reason for non-owership, then leasing is a great option and still comes out ahead versus staying with your electric provider. Lease solar for $79/mo (0 Down 0 Esc) over 25 years = $23,700. Stay with electric provider for $110/mo, which is roughly what a 4kW (nominal) system would zero out, over 25 years = $33,000 (assuming no rate increase!). That&#8217;s a difference of $9,300 over 25 years ($372/year or $31/mo). Would you opt for lower electric bills for these numbers with no upfront cost? Most of the general public would and are in CA, AZ, CO with 75-80% of new systems adopted via leasing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US average price for residential rooftop installed systems, last quarter of 2012 was $5.01/watt.  That would make a 4.5 kW system $22,680 before subsidies.


I&#039;d like to think that we&#039;re a lot lower than that by now but I haven&#039;t seen evidence that installation at $3/watt ($13,500/4,500) is common.  You know of a source?  Is $3/watt a regional average price?


Australia is now under $2/watt.  I&#039;d like to find out that we&#039;re getting down to that level in a hurry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US average price for residential rooftop installed systems, last quarter of 2012 was $5.01/watt.  That would make a 4.5 kW system $22,680 before subsidies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that we&#8217;re a lot lower than that by now but I haven&#8217;t seen evidence that installation at $3/watt ($13,500/4,500) is common.  You know of a source?  Is $3/watt a regional average price?</p>
<p>Australia is now under $2/watt.  I&#8217;d like to find out that we&#8217;re getting down to that level in a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: ronwint</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronwint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A 4.5kW grid tie solar system doesn&#039;t cost anywhere near $18,000 in today&#039;s market. Nice try! Today you can easily purchase an installed, 4.5 kW, name brand, grid tie solar system for about $13,500 before incentives. Install it yourself and you&#039;ll pay about $7,470. before incentives. At $79 per month on a 20 year lease, you&#039;ll pay $18,960 and that&#039;s without considering any payment escalator and you won&#039;t even own the system. No thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 4.5kW grid tie solar system doesn&#8217;t cost anywhere near $18,000 in today&#8217;s market. Nice try! Today you can easily purchase an installed, 4.5 kW, name brand, grid tie solar system for about $13,500 before incentives. Install it yourself and you&#8217;ll pay about $7,470. before incentives. At $79 per month on a 20 year lease, you&#8217;ll pay $18,960 and that&#8217;s without considering any payment escalator and you won&#8217;t even own the system. No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great!  Next we need solar financing for Mexico.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great!  Next we need solar financing for Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this the best you can come up with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the best you can come up with?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[White stuff covers the ground.


People with solar clean the snow off their panels.  


When there is snow on the ground my panels really crank out the power.  They love all that reflected light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White stuff covers the ground.</p>
<p>People with solar clean the snow off their panels.  </p>
<p>When there is snow on the ground my panels really crank out the power.  They love all that reflected light.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, that is a good one Ellen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, that is a good one Ellen</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Harris</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marshall Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 10:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, how often does it snow in New Mexico?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, how often does it snow in New Mexico?</p>
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		<title>By: EllenWedum</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/27/affordable-solar-announces-solar-leasing-for-new-mexico/#comment-163233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EllenWedum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens when it snows??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when it snows??</p>
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