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	<title>Comments on: Solar Power&#8217;s Massive Price Drop (Graph)</title>
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		<title>By: Jau</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-229613</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way things are heading, it should soon make sense to install solar panels instead of roof-slates on the whole roof on new building.

My guess is that soon buildings will be built with roofs that are designed to get as much sun as possible during the day to make the most out of panels on the roof.

Tracking means mechanical parts that need to constantly move(And thus break over time). They are also much more vulnerable to wind. Don&#039;t think that is viable in other scenarios than in solar farms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way things are heading, it should soon make sense to install solar panels instead of roof-slates on the whole roof on new building.</p>
<p>My guess is that soon buildings will be built with roofs that are designed to get as much sun as possible during the day to make the most out of panels on the roof.</p>
<p>Tracking means mechanical parts that need to constantly move(And thus break over time). They are also much more vulnerable to wind. Don&#8217;t think that is viable in other scenarios than in solar farms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jau</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-229606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in Norway where EV&#039;s have become very popular due to the high registration-tax on regular cars paired with a total tax-exempt on EV&#039;s.

I see several Model S, Leaf, Miev etc every day, and the prices on electric cars have fallen quite a bit - especially after Leaf came out. (The most popular model, followed by Model S). It have happened several times that when there is a new model, it&#039;s priced so that the others have to lower their prices aswell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Norway where EV&#8217;s have become very popular due to the high registration-tax on regular cars paired with a total tax-exempt on EV&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I see several Model S, Leaf, Miev etc every day, and the prices on electric cars have fallen quite a bit &#8211; especially after Leaf came out. (The most popular model, followed by Model S). It have happened several times that when there is a new model, it&#8217;s priced so that the others have to lower their prices aswell.</p>
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		<title>By: Jau</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-229602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing with solar is that it can change quite a bit even locally if there are any obstructions - say a tall tree that makes a shadow on the panels part of the day.

The price of electricity also fluctuates troughout the day. It&#039;s most expensive in the morning and afternoon/evening, and cheapest at night. It also varies with weather. With a grid-tied system you sell electricity in the daytime - although the bulk will not be at the peak hours. -Unless it&#039;s pretty hot and people run their AC-units and bring up the price.

A good start would be to check how the picing trough the day and night is where you live.

Guess it would make sense if someone made a small and cheap &quot;test-panel&quot; with logging, that you could mount on your rooftop as a reference to the amount of electricity that can be made at that specific site trough the year. -Although it seems like with the rate of decline in price, the need for analyzing the site will be moot in the near future, unless electricity-prices takes a hike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with solar is that it can change quite a bit even locally if there are any obstructions &#8211; say a tall tree that makes a shadow on the panels part of the day.</p>
<p>The price of electricity also fluctuates troughout the day. It&#8217;s most expensive in the morning and afternoon/evening, and cheapest at night. It also varies with weather. With a grid-tied system you sell electricity in the daytime &#8211; although the bulk will not be at the peak hours. -Unless it&#8217;s pretty hot and people run their AC-units and bring up the price.</p>
<p>A good start would be to check how the picing trough the day and night is where you live.</p>
<p>Guess it would make sense if someone made a small and cheap &#8220;test-panel&#8221; with logging, that you could mount on your rooftop as a reference to the amount of electricity that can be made at that specific site trough the year. -Although it seems like with the rate of decline in price, the need for analyzing the site will be moot in the near future, unless electricity-prices takes a hike.</p>
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		<title>By: Richi Jennings</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-197777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richi Jennings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;we may see it being installed in places with fairly low insolation.&lt;/i&gt;

 - We already are, unless you think Germany and England get loads of sunshine. 

&lt;i&gt;At some point it may be cheaper to give up 20% than to track.&lt;/i&gt;

 - The experts I talk to argue it already is cheaper -- assuming you calculate the lifetime costs of the tracking system, not just the initial capital cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we may see it being installed in places with fairly low insolation.</i></p>
<p> &#8211; We already are, unless you think Germany and England get loads of sunshine. </p>
<p><i>At some point it may be cheaper to give up 20% than to track.</i></p>
<p> &#8211; The experts I talk to argue it already is cheaper &#8212; assuming you calculate the lifetime costs of the tracking system, not just the initial capital cost.</p>
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		<title>By: jalbertini</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-183781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jalbertini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While that is entirely true it does not help anyone understand what their net cost of electricity is.  I know about system performance variation due to location etc. but would still like to be able to translate.



If this system generates 10 Kwh per day and amortizing the $15,000 cost over 20 years @ 4% that&#039;s $91/month for 300 kwh or $0.30 per kwh or about double my utility rate.  If it generates 20 kwh per day then it is $0.15 per kwh close to my utility.  I use about 15 kwh per day now and my bill runs about $75 so I&#039;d be &quot;losing&quot; $16/mo ($91-$75) unless I could use a smaller system that cost less or I sold excess to the utility.



Of course the utility bill breaks out generation from transmission &amp; distribution with each being about 8-9 cents/kwh.  So if I&#039;m grid tied and net metered I&#039;d need to get the cost down to under 10 cents/kwh to break even with the utility.


I&#039;m just hoping to find a way to compare apples to apples because that is what most people will consider: their cost per month for power.  I guess that is too complicated for manufacturers/dealers/installers to calculate without site specific data?  So consumers will be left guessing - not a good situation for selling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While that is entirely true it does not help anyone understand what their net cost of electricity is.  I know about system performance variation due to location etc. but would still like to be able to translate.</p>
<p>If this system generates 10 Kwh per day and amortizing the $15,000 cost over 20 years @ 4% that&#8217;s $91/month for 300 kwh or $0.30 per kwh or about double my utility rate.  If it generates 20 kwh per day then it is $0.15 per kwh close to my utility.  I use about 15 kwh per day now and my bill runs about $75 so I&#8217;d be &#8220;losing&#8221; $16/mo ($91-$75) unless I could use a smaller system that cost less or I sold excess to the utility.</p>
<p>Of course the utility bill breaks out generation from transmission &amp; distribution with each being about 8-9 cents/kwh.  So if I&#8217;m grid tied and net metered I&#8217;d need to get the cost down to under 10 cents/kwh to break even with the utility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just hoping to find a way to compare apples to apples because that is what most people will consider: their cost per month for power.  I guess that is too complicated for manufacturers/dealers/installers to calculate without site specific data?  So consumers will be left guessing &#8211; not a good situation for selling.</p>
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		<title>By: TedPV2013</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TedPV2013]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$ per W of solar array capacity is the correct way of stating how much a solar array costs to purchase and install per watt of peak capacity of the array.

$ per kWh is generally used to describe the cost of electricity from a utility and is a consumption measure and depends on factors, such as your location and roof orientation, that even for an identical system with the same $/W installed price will differ across the country.

If you want to purchase a 5000W solar system and it costs $15,000 to buy and install then it cost $3/W installed.  That is a very meaningful metric to compare solar system prices and how they have changed over time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$ per W of solar array capacity is the correct way of stating how much a solar array costs to purchase and install per watt of peak capacity of the array.</p>
<p>$ per kWh is generally used to describe the cost of electricity from a utility and is a consumption measure and depends on factors, such as your location and roof orientation, that even for an identical system with the same $/W installed price will differ across the country.</p>
<p>If you want to purchase a 5000W solar system and it costs $15,000 to buy and install then it cost $3/W installed.  That is a very meaningful metric to compare solar system prices and how they have changed over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t predict at the North Africa, sort of level.


Solar is likely to get very cheap.  It&#039;s likely to be so cheap and easy to incorporate that we&#039;ll may see it being installed in places with fairly low insolation.


Even a place that doesn&#039;t get a lot of sunshine may find that they have a big need to power AC as summers heat up.  


Or we may see massive amounts installed along the equator and UHVDC lines shipping power toward the poles.


I suspect tracking will get priced off the table.  It may make more sense to install panels facing east or west to extend the solar day.  At some point it may be cheaper to give up 20% than to track.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t predict at the North Africa, sort of level.</p>
<p>Solar is likely to get very cheap.  It&#8217;s likely to be so cheap and easy to incorporate that we&#8217;ll may see it being installed in places with fairly low insolation.</p>
<p>Even a place that doesn&#8217;t get a lot of sunshine may find that they have a big need to power AC as summers heat up.  </p>
<p>Or we may see massive amounts installed along the equator and UHVDC lines shipping power toward the poles.</p>
<p>I suspect tracking will get priced off the table.  It may make more sense to install panels facing east or west to extend the solar day.  At some point it may be cheaper to give up 20% than to track.<br />
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then multiply by 4 so we&#039;ll need more like 65 TWp.  However, you also have to consider North Africa, etc. which will have higher factors.  Tracking also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then multiply by 4 so we&#8217;ll need more like 65 TWp.  However, you also have to consider North Africa, etc. which will have higher factors.  Tracking also.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[30% is too high for solar.  For rough back-of-envelop math 20% is about right.  And that probably assumes that a lot more solar will be installed in places which have the best insolation.

In the US there&#039;s only one small spot that gets a 25% capacity rating.  A &#039;best guess&#039; number for the lower 48 is probably 19%.

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30% is too high for solar.  For rough back-of-envelop math 20% is about right.  And that probably assumes that a lot more solar will be installed in places which have the best insolation.</p>
<p>In the US there&#8217;s only one small spot that gets a 25% capacity rating.  A &#8216;best guess&#8217; number for the lower 48 is probably 19%.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar&#039;s capacity factor is about 30% so you have to multiply by about 3.  The world uses about 17 TW so you need 50 TWp of solar =&gt; 500 GWp is 1%.  Talking total energy, not just electricity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar&#8217;s capacity factor is about 30% so you have to multiply by about 3.  The world uses about 17 TW so you need 50 TWp of solar =&gt; 500 GWp is 1%.  Talking total energy, not just electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t that be a growth rate of 10% per year?

The total worldwide electricity generation capacity is  about 5,000GWp.

http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=2&amp;pid=2&amp;aid=7]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be a growth rate of 10% per year?</p>
<p>The total worldwide electricity generation capacity is  about 5,000GWp.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=2&#038;pid=2&#038;aid=7" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=2&#038;pid=2&#038;aid=7</a></p>
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		<title>By: jalbertini</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jalbertini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That may be but most people will not understand how to equate panel watts to what they are paying now per kwh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be but most people will not understand how to equate panel watts to what they are paying now per kwh.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect most people caught on very quickly.


After all, it is quite clear that it is the price of solar panels and almost everyone know what they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect most people caught on very quickly.</p>
<p>After all, it is quite clear that it is the price of solar panels and almost everyone know what they are.</p>
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		<title>By: jalbertini</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jalbertini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To most non-technical folks this graph is meaningless.  People pay for electricity in $/kWh.  $/watt is a a foreign concept.  You need to translate $/watt into $/kWh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To most non-technical folks this graph is meaningless.  People pay for electricity in $/kWh.  $/watt is a a foreign concept.  You need to translate $/watt into $/kWh.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, that&#039;s a price for cells, not panels.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130523PD209.html

$0.43/watt is the world average spot price for cells, low is $0.34/watt.
Average spot prices for panels are $0.65 (thin-film) and $0.73 (silicon).  
http://pvinsights.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s a price for cells, not panels.<br />
<a href="http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130523PD209.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130523PD209.html</a></p>
<p>$0.43/watt is the world average spot price for cells, low is $0.34/watt.<br />
Average spot prices for panels are $0.65 (thin-film) and $0.73 (silicon).<br />
<a href="http://pvinsights.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pvinsights.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Per Lyngemark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Per Lyngemark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[News today on Digitimes is that PV panels from Taiwan will increase to 0.43$, which is about half the price than the 0.73$ shown for 2013 above. I&#039;m quite confident we will see prices below 0.2$ by 2015]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News today on Digitimes is that PV panels from Taiwan will increase to 0.43$, which is about half the price than the 0.73$ shown for 2013 above. I&#8217;m quite confident we will see prices below 0.2$ by 2015</p>
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		<title>By: vetxcl</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/24/solar-powers-massive-price-drop-graph/#comment-163349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vetxcl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could really save some time and money couldn&#039;t you? Took me all of one hour to check all that online and the savings are somewhat worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could really save some time and money couldn&#8217;t you? Took me all of one hour to check all that online and the savings are somewhat worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: vetxcl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vetxcl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YUP, prices falling IS a good thing. I leave nit picking to the pickers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YUP, prices falling IS a good thing. I leave nit picking to the pickers.</p>
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		<title>By: vetxcl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vetxcl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re trying to say something , but don&#039;t show the courage to state it plainly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re trying to say something , but don&#8217;t show the courage to state it plainly.</p>
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		<title>By: vetxcl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vetxcl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IF you mean more significant price decreases occurred early on , THEN yes. But the time frame of the graph is evenly spaced so there&#039;s no skewing of results, by posting more yearS early on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF you mean more significant price decreases occurred early on , THEN yes. But the time frame of the graph is evenly spaced so there&#8217;s no skewing of results, by posting more yearS early on.</p>
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