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	<title>Comments on: Monarch Power Looks To Buy Arizona Suntech Plant For Lotus Mobile Solar Flower Production</title>
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		<title>By: Lotus Mobile Looks To Buy Arizona Manufacturing Plant From Suntech −</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lotus Mobile Looks To Buy Arizona Manufacturing Plant From Suntech −]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 10:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points. Really, there are benefits here that are being overlooked. It may always be for a very niche market, but still, it could serve people who are hesitant to go solar the normal way.

And, like I repeated a few ties above and globi noted, there&#039;s an artstic appeal here that could be worth a lot to some people (though, perhaps not the engineering types that frequent our comments section :D).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. Really, there are benefits here that are being overlooked. It may always be for a very niche market, but still, it could serve people who are hesitant to go solar the normal way.</p>
<p>And, like I repeated a few ties above and globi noted, there&#8217;s an artstic appeal here that could be worth a lot to some people (though, perhaps not the engineering types that frequent our comments section :D).</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. I didn&#039;t think it looked like that, but yes, the car is simply transporting the unit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. I didn&#8217;t think it looked like that, but yes, the car is simply transporting the unit.</p>
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		<title>By: dynamo.joe</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/26/monarch-power-looks-to-buy-arizona-suntech-plant-for-lotus-mobile-solar-flower-production/#comment-159835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dynamo.joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has a 2 axis tracking system, why would it only have 5 hrs/day?  I would think about 8 or 9 minimum (in the highly populated temperate regions).  Maybe about 11 or so averaged over the year.  That puts it up to $500/year or a payback of 8 yrs (neglecting financing costs, probable rising electric rates, etc.).

That isn&#039;t a drop everything and do it now rate of return, but it&#039;s a &quot;this is the right financial decision&quot; rate of return.

Also, it is billed as mobile.  That means the decision is no longer tied to the house.  I think lots of people say to themselves; the payback is too long, what if we decide to move before the 8 years (or 15 by your numbers)?  What if I can&#039;t get the money back selling the house in a weak market?  Well, what if it doesn&#039;t matter because you can just take it to your new house?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has a 2 axis tracking system, why would it only have 5 hrs/day?  I would think about 8 or 9 minimum (in the highly populated temperate regions).  Maybe about 11 or so averaged over the year.  That puts it up to $500/year or a payback of 8 yrs (neglecting financing costs, probable rising electric rates, etc.).</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t a drop everything and do it now rate of return, but it&#8217;s a &#8220;this is the right financial decision&#8221; rate of return.</p>
<p>Also, it is billed as mobile.  That means the decision is no longer tied to the house.  I think lots of people say to themselves; the payback is too long, what if we decide to move before the 8 years (or 15 by your numbers)?  What if I can&#8217;t get the money back selling the house in a weak market?  Well, what if it doesn&#8217;t matter because you can just take it to your new house?</p>
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		<title>By: globi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[globi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there are cheaper ways to produce PV-electricity.

However, people buy $100k cars because they look cool, so why shouldn&#039;t they just buy an electricity producing Parasol for $4k?

Since this umbrella can fold should a storm arrive, it may not have to be built that sturdy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there are cheaper ways to produce PV-electricity.</p>
<p>However, people buy $100k cars because they look cool, so why shouldn&#8217;t they just buy an electricity producing Parasol for $4k?</p>
<p>Since this umbrella can fold should a storm arrive, it may not have to be built that sturdy.</p>
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		<title>By: picoallen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[picoallen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just returned from a 2500km round trip from Melbourne to beyond Bourke in north west New South Wales on an ecological research trip with Bush Heritage Australia. As we drove along I pondered having a solar powered van that could be slept in and also act as a mini office/lab. 

But it would need to be far more practice than the silly little van pictured here. Make the roof flat be a flat panel. Then have two equal sized panels that sit on top of it, which can be rolled out to the sides to act as as roofs on which canvas or fly mesh could be hung. Ideally once rolled out the side panels would drop down to be flush with the centre panel.

Imaging being able to drive as far as you batteries will take you, then pulling up to camp and recharge. It would be a fabulous was to travel around Australia, the US of wherever your fancy takes you.

In Australia there are companies that hire camper vans to tourists doing their round the country holidays. They would be a great market to start with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just returned from a 2500km round trip from Melbourne to beyond Bourke in north west New South Wales on an ecological research trip with Bush Heritage Australia. As we drove along I pondered having a solar powered van that could be slept in and also act as a mini office/lab. </p>
<p>But it would need to be far more practice than the silly little van pictured here. Make the roof flat be a flat panel. Then have two equal sized panels that sit on top of it, which can be rolled out to the sides to act as as roofs on which canvas or fly mesh could be hung. Ideally once rolled out the side panels would drop down to be flush with the centre panel.</p>
<p>Imaging being able to drive as far as you batteries will take you, then pulling up to camp and recharge. It would be a fabulous was to travel around Australia, the US of wherever your fancy takes you.</p>
<p>In Australia there are companies that hire camper vans to tourists doing their round the country holidays. They would be a great market to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hilden-Minton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Hilden-Minton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry but the Lotus Mobile design looks ridicuous. It reminds me of the old footage of early attempts to build flying machines. Put a motor on this umbrella contraption and this thing could fly too!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but the Lotus Mobile design looks ridicuous. It reminds me of the old footage of early attempts to build flying machines. Put a motor on this umbrella contraption and this thing could fly too!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/26/monarch-power-looks-to-buy-arizona-suntech-plant-for-lotus-mobile-solar-flower-production/#comment-159617</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s nothing sleazy about a low risk 6% return on investment ($240/$4,000).  Especially when you figure return (savings) per year will increase with rising utility prices.


But if you install fixed panels at Germany&#039;s $2/watt price you get a 11% first year return.  Low risk.  Increasing returns as the years go by.


Then if you add in the decades of free electricity....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing sleazy about a low risk 6% return on investment ($240/$4,000).  Especially when you figure return (savings) per year will increase with rising utility prices.</p>
<p>But if you install fixed panels at Germany&#8217;s $2/watt price you get a 11% first year return.  Low risk.  Increasing returns as the years go by.</p>
<p>Then if you add in the decades of free electricity&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhodomel Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhodomel Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With prices of panels at about $0.50 per watt, this one is too much.  Assuming that a 1.1kW system get on the average a peak radiation at 5 hrs/day, this would produce about 2,000 kWH/year. At price of electricity of $0.12/kWH, the $4K investment gives you a return of $240/year minus depreciation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With prices of panels at about $0.50 per watt, this one is too much.  Assuming that a 1.1kW system get on the average a peak radiation at 5 hrs/day, this would produce about 2,000 kWH/year. At price of electricity of $0.12/kWH, the $4K investment gives you a return of $240/year minus depreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: dynamo.joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dynamo.joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know that umbrella isn&#039;t actually in the car, right?  It&#039;s just a stand alone system, which COULD be used to charge a car.  I&#039;m not sure why the pictures here seem to be suggesting that it is part of the car.

Also, $4k for a 1.1kW system doesn&#039;t seem particularly out of line with the prices I&#039;ve seen for roof mount systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that umbrella isn&#8217;t actually in the car, right?  It&#8217;s just a stand alone system, which COULD be used to charge a car.  I&#8217;m not sure why the pictures here seem to be suggesting that it is part of the car.</p>
<p>Also, $4k for a 1.1kW system doesn&#8217;t seem particularly out of line with the prices I&#8217;ve seen for roof mount systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  This sort of stuff is designed by people who are math deficient.


They&#039;re the sort of people you see complaining on the web how no one understands their brilliant idea and is willing to fund it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  This sort of stuff is designed by people who are math deficient.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the sort of people you see complaining on the web how no one understands their brilliant idea and is willing to fund it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhodomel Meads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhodomel Meads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the concept of the unfolding panels of a &quot;solar&quot; van than the umbrella type.  When the Van is unfolded, it also helps cool the insides of the van to ambient temperature which is better to reduce cooling load once you want to go and you are running to AC.  Now this one is truly mobile, and the panel support is built into the van.

I still don&#039;t get how the umbrella type can be cost effective. Yeah, I admit it is cool, but cost effective, no way!  For one, the contraption is complicated to manufacture. Then you would need to have a sturdy base, which would be heavier than the whole umbrella panels, and should be anchored very well to the ground. You would to transport and set up the base too.  I know how bad it is to lug around a beach umbrella when you wanted a sturdier base to protect against the wind. It is really more trouble than it is worth when it comes to producing energy per unit investment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the concept of the unfolding panels of a &#8220;solar&#8221; van than the umbrella type.  When the Van is unfolded, it also helps cool the insides of the van to ambient temperature which is better to reduce cooling load once you want to go and you are running to AC.  Now this one is truly mobile, and the panel support is built into the van.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t get how the umbrella type can be cost effective. Yeah, I admit it is cool, but cost effective, no way!  For one, the contraption is complicated to manufacture. Then you would need to have a sturdy base, which would be heavier than the whole umbrella panels, and should be anchored very well to the ground. You would to transport and set up the base too.  I know how bad it is to lug around a beach umbrella when you wanted a sturdier base to protect against the wind. It is really more trouble than it is worth when it comes to producing energy per unit investment.</p>
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