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	<title>Comments on: Investment In Renewable Energy Set To Triple By 2030, Costs Plunging</title>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-162322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-162323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Happen to know of a good one in English?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happen to know of a good one in English?</p>
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		<title>By: James Wimberley</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-159451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Wimberley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Briefly, a train wreck wrapped in red tape: utility PV subsidies killed suddenly thanks to the crisis, net metering bottled up in the Ministry by utility lobbying. With so much sun, a few unsubsidised projects are getting started for self-consumption, eg on IKEA&#039;s stores. A good Spanish site to follow is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suelosolar.es/index.asp?idioma=es&amp;idp=10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Suelosolar&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly, a train wreck wrapped in red tape: utility PV subsidies killed suddenly thanks to the crisis, net metering bottled up in the Ministry by utility lobbying. With so much sun, a few unsubsidised projects are getting started for self-consumption, eg on IKEA&#8217;s stores. A good Spanish site to follow is <a href="http://www.suelosolar.es/index.asp?idioma=es&amp;idp=10" rel="nofollow">Suelosolar</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-159436</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points. What exactly is the situation in Spain? Don&#039;t recall reading about that (but i just lost half a night of sleep, so maybe i&#039;m just having a brain fart).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. What exactly is the situation in Spain? Don&#8217;t recall reading about that (but i just lost half a night of sleep, so maybe i&#8217;m just having a brain fart).</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-159435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points. + solar competes with retail prices in some places/sectors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points. + solar competes with retail prices in some places/sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-159434</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. I&#039;d imagine BNEF takes this approach for simplicity&#039;s sake, but doesn&#039;t seem like BNEF&#039;s approach... wonder why it is so stuck on LCOE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I&#8217;d imagine BNEF takes this approach for simplicity&#8217;s sake, but doesn&#8217;t seem like BNEF&#8217;s approach&#8230; wonder why it is so stuck on LCOE.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wimberley</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/23/investment-in-renewable-energy-set-to-triple-by-2030-costs-plunging/#comment-159330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Wimberley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The report seems to focus on utility solar, which competes with other forms of centralised generation. Rooftop domestic and commercial solar is assessed by potential investors - households and small businesses - against the retail, not the wholesale rate. So it&#039;s already competitive across large areas of the world, unless utilities manage to block it by unfair regulatory obstacles as in Spain. The normal outcome will be continued and very rapid growth in small-scale solar - enough to create by itself the squeeze pointed out by James H-M. This will differentially erode the viability of coal generators much more than gas, which has low capital costs and ready despatchability.


There&#039;s a political economy implication too. Renewables are getting more politically and culturally influential by the day. Warren Buffett, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, the World Bank.. The wind PTC survived in the US Congress last December; the German solar FITS have just survived an attempt by Minister Altmeier to roll them back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report seems to focus on utility solar, which competes with other forms of centralised generation. Rooftop domestic and commercial solar is assessed by potential investors &#8211; households and small businesses &#8211; against the retail, not the wholesale rate. So it&#8217;s already competitive across large areas of the world, unless utilities manage to block it by unfair regulatory obstacles as in Spain. The normal outcome will be continued and very rapid growth in small-scale solar &#8211; enough to create by itself the squeeze pointed out by James H-M. This will differentially erode the viability of coal generators much more than gas, which has low capital costs and ready despatchability.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a political economy implication too. Renewables are getting more politically and culturally influential by the day. Warren Buffett, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, the World Bank.. The wind PTC survived in the US Congress last December; the German solar FITS have just survived an attempt by Minister Altmeier to roll them back.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree.  The LCOE is the LCOE, but in reality the selling issue is more complex.  Solar, for example has a somewhat higher LCOE but since it produces when demand is higher it&#039;s not really competing against all other generation, but against peaking capacity.


&quot;Always on&quot; generation like (already built and paid for) coal and nuclear plants have low production costs but they must sell at an overall profit.  As other technologies such as wind or natural gas take away some of their hours, or force them to sell at a loss, the price that they have to earn during other hours rises.  And that can force them to fail.  A quarter of existing US reactors are in financial danger.


Natural gas is probably the best protected.   NG plants have very low overnight costs and come on line quite rapidly.  That means that they don&#039;t have the sort of interest burden that new coal or nuclear would have.  Most of their expense is fuel and since they can shut down during those time blocks in which they can&#039;t sell at a profit, they can avoid the hurt that non-dispatchable generation encounters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.  The LCOE is the LCOE, but in reality the selling issue is more complex.  Solar, for example has a somewhat higher LCOE but since it produces when demand is higher it&#8217;s not really competing against all other generation, but against peaking capacity.</p>
<p>&#8220;Always on&#8221; generation like (already built and paid for) coal and nuclear plants have low production costs but they must sell at an overall profit.  As other technologies such as wind or natural gas take away some of their hours, or force them to sell at a loss, the price that they have to earn during other hours rises.  And that can force them to fail.  A quarter of existing US reactors are in financial danger.</p>
<p>Natural gas is probably the best protected.   NG plants have very low overnight costs and come on line quite rapidly.  That means that they don&#8217;t have the sort of interest burden that new coal or nuclear would have.  Most of their expense is fuel and since they can shut down during those time blocks in which they can&#8217;t sell at a profit, they can avoid the hurt that non-dispatchable generation encounters.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hilden-Minton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Hilden-Minton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure the levelized costs of coal and gas make sense. As wind and solar penetrate the market, they will force thermals to the margins and utilization rates will fall. As utilization rates fall, levelized thermal costs will increase. That is, the capital expenditure will be spread out over few hours of profitable power generation. Energy storage will also put a cap on the spot market. Thermals will need to make their profit on fewer hours, but they will be squeezed by stored energy. The economics could flip abruptly, but BNEF seems fixed on the levelized cost of renewables and may underestimate the disruption to thermals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the levelized costs of coal and gas make sense. As wind and solar penetrate the market, they will force thermals to the margins and utilization rates will fall. As utilization rates fall, levelized thermal costs will increase. That is, the capital expenditure will be spread out over few hours of profitable power generation. Energy storage will also put a cap on the spot market. Thermals will need to make their profit on fewer hours, but they will be squeezed by stored energy. The economics could flip abruptly, but BNEF seems fixed on the levelized cost of renewables and may underestimate the disruption to thermals.</p>
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