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	<title>Comments on: Total Global Solar PV Capacity Now Approaching Or Over 100 GW</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-160361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s unlikely that exponential growth can be sustained.  We see that sort of change during the early stages of a new technology but then it slows down due to the practical issues of creating much larger production year after year.



Exponential in the early years and then, let&#039;s hope, a very steep straight  line until we approach &quot;enough&quot; and the last part of the S-shaped curve appears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unlikely that exponential growth can be sustained.  We see that sort of change during the early stages of a new technology but then it slows down due to the practical issues of creating much larger production year after year.</p>
<p>Exponential in the early years and then, let&#8217;s hope, a very steep straight  line until we approach &#8220;enough&#8221; and the last part of the S-shaped curve appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bernal</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-160354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bernal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The average growth is over 33%. Without subsidies, the growth would not have happened. However, automation is almost at the point of cranking out cheap solar panels 24/7. Also, a little subsidy for the continuing tech development of solar manufacturing does not hurt the economy. In fact, it will help it greatly in the long run. Consider the balance between lessor subsidies and greater manufacturing capacity. What will the average growth rate be?

What would happen if it is just 22% over the next 40 years? We will have to work with terrawatts of capacity. 90GW = .09TW.

.09TW x 1.22 = .1098

Now, just keep pressing enter (to multiply the previous number by 1.22)
=1.34
=.163
=.2
=.243
=.296
=.36
A pattern of exponential growth emerges. After 40 &quot;enters&quot; (years) at a sustained 22% growth rate, total global installed global capacity would be...

Over 250 TERRAWATTS ! Divide that by 5 to get an approximate 24/7 power generation capacity of about 50TW which should include the energy costs of storage as well. Currenetly, the total global generating capacity from ALL sources is far less than 50TW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average growth is over 33%. Without subsidies, the growth would not have happened. However, automation is almost at the point of cranking out cheap solar panels 24/7. Also, a little subsidy for the continuing tech development of solar manufacturing does not hurt the economy. In fact, it will help it greatly in the long run. Consider the balance between lessor subsidies and greater manufacturing capacity. What will the average growth rate be?</p>
<p>What would happen if it is just 22% over the next 40 years? We will have to work with terrawatts of capacity. 90GW = .09TW.</p>
<p>.09TW x 1.22 = .1098</p>
<p>Now, just keep pressing enter (to multiply the previous number by 1.22)<br />
=1.34<br />
=.163<br />
=.2<br />
=.243<br />
=.296<br />
=.36<br />
A pattern of exponential growth emerges. After 40 &#8220;enters&#8221; (years) at a sustained 22% growth rate, total global installed global capacity would be&#8230;</p>
<p>Over 250 TERRAWATTS ! Divide that by 5 to get an approximate 24/7 power generation capacity of about 50TW which should include the energy costs of storage as well. Currenetly, the total global generating capacity from ALL sources is far less than 50TW.</p>
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		<title>By: Italy Now Has 16.7 GW Of Installed Solar PV Capacity &#124; CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158903</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Italy Now Has 16.7 GW Of Installed Solar PV Capacity &#124; CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we&#8217;ve previously reported, Italy now receives about 5.75% of its electricity from solar PV, a figure which should continue to grow significantly well into the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] we&#8217;ve previously reported, Italy now receives about 5.75% of its electricity from solar PV, a figure which should continue to grow significantly well into the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, I think 99% of it comes from people being misinformed (and journalists thriving on controversy). Of course, the 1% seeding it know what they are doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I think 99% of it comes from people being misinformed (and journalists thriving on controversy). Of course, the 1% seeding it know what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah I realize that there are some grids where it is an issue already, but these are the exceptions... Unless we do a whole lot of things right, there aren&#039;t going to be all that many of these exceptions anytime soon.

I&#039;m just a little miffed that the media is pointing out the exception as an example when it&#039;s a statistical anomaly at this point. Yes there are lessons we can learn, but the way they present it, it actually falls under mis-information IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I realize that there are some grids where it is an issue already, but these are the exceptions&#8230; Unless we do a whole lot of things right, there aren&#8217;t going to be all that many of these exceptions anytime soon.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a little miffed that the media is pointing out the exception as an example when it&#8217;s a statistical anomaly at this point. Yes there are lessons we can learn, but the way they present it, it actually falls under mis-information IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Renewables aren&#039;t distributed equally over all grids.  We may have some grids that will need storage sooner than in 20 years.


If ~40% wind/solar penetration is a rough estimate for when storage is needed the bottom end of that range might be more like 10 years.


Interestingly renewables seem to have postponed new storage in Switzerland.  There were plans underway to build more pump-up but renewables have lessened the supply/demand differential and cut the price spread.  They reported that unless the price differential was at least 5 euro cents (~6.5 US cents) new storage wouldn&#039;t earn enough money to make it a good investment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renewables aren&#8217;t distributed equally over all grids.  We may have some grids that will need storage sooner than in 20 years.</p>
<p>If ~40% wind/solar penetration is a rough estimate for when storage is needed the bottom end of that range might be more like 10 years.</p>
<p>Interestingly renewables seem to have postponed new storage in Switzerland.  There were plans underway to build more pump-up but renewables have lessened the supply/demand differential and cut the price spread.  They reported that unless the price differential was at least 5 euro cents (~6.5 US cents) new storage wouldn&#8217;t earn enough money to make it a good investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, absolutely, storage on the grid could increase efficiency of every energy generation means out there (except hydro, as it is already on demand...) so it&#039;s definately a plus and worth talking about, but the way many articles present it as a necessity for renewables is... uninformed at best, intentionally misleading at worst.

And by all means - I think all of the storage is worth discussing, the issue is presenting it as a necessity within the next 20-30 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, absolutely, storage on the grid could increase efficiency of every energy generation means out there (except hydro, as it is already on demand&#8230;) so it&#8217;s definately a plus and worth talking about, but the way many articles present it as a necessity for renewables is&#8230; uninformed at best, intentionally misleading at worst.</p>
<p>And by all means &#8211; I think all of the storage is worth discussing, the issue is presenting it as a necessity within the next 20-30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. It&#039;s a very good/useful academic pursuit, or R&amp;D, but it shouldn&#039;t be hyped as it is much of the time.

However, home storage (which could revolutionize the grid a bit) and EV storage are of course worth quite a bit of ink.

Btw, from our coverage of the major University of Delaware &amp; Delaware Technical College global renewable energy report: 

&quot;the report found that, creating more electricity than required during regular hours to meet high energy use (but during low wind hours) would have lower costs compared to storing the excess energy for higher consumption later (of course, this is based on the assumption we won’t see any storage breakthroughs in that time).&quot;

http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. It&#8217;s a very good/useful academic pursuit, or R&amp;D, but it shouldn&#8217;t be hyped as it is much of the time.</p>
<p>However, home storage (which could revolutionize the grid a bit) and EV storage are of course worth quite a bit of ink.</p>
<p>Btw, from our coverage of the major University of Delaware &amp; Delaware Technical College global renewable energy report: </p>
<p>&#8220;the report found that, creating more electricity than required during regular hours to meet high energy use (but during low wind hours) would have lower costs compared to storing the excess energy for higher consumption later (of course, this is based on the assumption we won’t see any storage breakthroughs in that time).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, I was thinking that was a legitimate concern from the way I hear people talk about it, and while there are legitimate concerns to be had (all of which can be solved by some fairly simple changes to the grid, but are costly up front - just like anything else) at this rate the world as a whole won&#039;t have high enough solar to cause those issues in 20 years or so... at the MINIMUM!

Sheesh... pick up the pace of solar installation and bring those back up when we&#039;re within 3 years of 70% renewables. Until then, the issues are rather minuscule. Now, to be fair, that does make some assumptions that won&#039;t apply to every part of the grid, but this is just silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, I was thinking that was a legitimate concern from the way I hear people talk about it, and while there are legitimate concerns to be had (all of which can be solved by some fairly simple changes to the grid, but are costly up front &#8211; just like anything else) at this rate the world as a whole won&#8217;t have high enough solar to cause those issues in 20 years or so&#8230; at the MINIMUM!</p>
<p>Sheesh&#8230; pick up the pace of solar installation and bring those back up when we&#8217;re within 3 years of 70% renewables. Until then, the issues are rather minuscule. Now, to be fair, that does make some assumptions that won&#8217;t apply to every part of the grid, but this is just silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ok... I&#039;m going to stop before I start.&quot; - ha :D

But yeah, I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on &quot;what we need when the market is saturated with solar&quot; -- we&#039;re really not close to that point yet, but focusing on it makes a lot of people think that we need those things now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ok&#8230; I&#8217;m going to stop before I start.&#8221; &#8211; ha <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>But yeah, I agree that far too much emphasis is placed on &#8220;what we need when the market is saturated with solar&#8221; &#8212; we&#8217;re really not close to that point yet, but focusing on it makes a lot of people think that we need those things now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GE is testing out a new blade design (lightweight metal frame covered with a &#039;skin&#039;).  They expect it to greatly cut blade cost.  GE, IIRC, is also the company that&#039;s figured out how to let turbines share information across a wind farm and use that info to increase output.


Solar is crossing the cost threshold.  Up until now it took something more than finances alone to get solar installed.  We&#039;re now at the place where solar is going to be installed for the simple reason that the finances work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE is testing out a new blade design (lightweight metal frame covered with a &#8216;skin&#8217;).  They expect it to greatly cut blade cost.  GE, IIRC, is also the company that&#8217;s figured out how to let turbines share information across a wind farm and use that info to increase output.</p>
<p>Solar is crossing the cost threshold.  Up until now it took something more than finances alone to get solar installed.  We&#8217;re now at the place where solar is going to be installed for the simple reason that the finances work.</p>
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		<title>By: saurdigger</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saurdigger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a couple developments I&#039;m happy to see -- in wind, it&#039;s developments like GE&#039;s new 2.5MW turbine that expands wind developments into areas with lower class wind developments, allowing the continuation of strong wind power generation development with greater efficiency and capacity factors at all wind speeds.

The second is the very, very, VERY nice exponential growth development I&#039;m starting to see with solar.  1% globally seems low, but we&#039;re reaching tipping points in some places where it&#039;s cheaper to generate solar energy, without rebates, than tap into the regular grid and can ameliorate some of the predicted rise in total pollution from developing countries while still increase quality of life factors.  As exponential growth picks up, products can go from something people don&#039;t think about to something people see everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple developments I&#8217;m happy to see &#8212; in wind, it&#8217;s developments like GE&#8217;s new 2.5MW turbine that expands wind developments into areas with lower class wind developments, allowing the continuation of strong wind power generation development with greater efficiency and capacity factors at all wind speeds.</p>
<p>The second is the very, very, VERY nice exponential growth development I&#8217;m starting to see with solar.  1% globally seems low, but we&#8217;re reaching tipping points in some places where it&#8217;s cheaper to generate solar energy, without rebates, than tap into the regular grid and can ameliorate some of the predicted rise in total pollution from developing countries while still increase quality of life factors.  As exponential growth picks up, products can go from something people don&#8217;t think about to something people see everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/11/total-global-solar-pv-capacity-approaching-100-gw/#comment-158074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1% of global electricity comes from PV? That&#039;s unacceptably low. Why in the world is anyone talking about market maturity already??? Sure, in a few isolated instances where it&#039;s over 50% of the market you might have to make some fundamental changes to the grid to make a difference, but seriously? Even in Italy it&#039;s not significant enough to do much more than demand smoothing in the country as a whole.

Ok... I&#039;m going to stop before I start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1% of global electricity comes from PV? That&#8217;s unacceptably low. Why in the world is anyone talking about market maturity already??? Sure, in a few isolated instances where it&#8217;s over 50% of the market you might have to make some fundamental changes to the grid to make a difference, but seriously? Even in Italy it&#8217;s not significant enough to do much more than demand smoothing in the country as a whole.</p>
<p>Ok&#8230; I&#8217;m going to stop before I start.</p>
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