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		<title>By: Boss Bolts</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-192553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boss Bolts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[try inverted hydro stream that can turn 20 tons of water weight volume into 180,000 of kinetic energy tons at 3600 rpms under 900 G-s. And 18,000 tons of positive kinetic energy to turn turbine generators in the form of clean energy as water is recycled from tank through and passed turbine generators]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try inverted hydro stream that can turn 20 tons of water weight volume into 180,000 of kinetic energy tons at 3600 rpms under 900 G-s. And 18,000 tons of positive kinetic energy to turn turbine generators in the form of clean energy as water is recycled from tank through and passed turbine generators</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-159391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baz, as an old retired guy with his career behind him I&#039;d suggest you think about your future.

Were I you I&#039;d consider joining the Navy and working in their nuclear activities.  Twenty years and you&#039;d earn retirement.

The US nuclear industry is probably one more meltdown away from melting down in toto.  


I&#039;m not saying we&#039;re going to loose control of one, but we continue to wander off in that direction from time to time.  If we do a full Homer and let a significant amount of glowing stuff get outside the containment dome we&#039;re likely to see a Germany/Belgium/Japan/Switzerland reaction to just shut them all down.  It could happen.



I suppose you could finish out your career in cleanup, but that doesn&#039;t sound very interesting.  Being a janitor wearing lead briefs....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baz, as an old retired guy with his career behind him I&#8217;d suggest you think about your future.</p>
<p>Were I you I&#8217;d consider joining the Navy and working in their nuclear activities.  Twenty years and you&#8217;d earn retirement.</p>
<p>The US nuclear industry is probably one more meltdown away from melting down in toto.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we&#8217;re going to loose control of one, but we continue to wander off in that direction from time to time.  If we do a full Homer and let a significant amount of glowing stuff get outside the containment dome we&#8217;re likely to see a Germany/Belgium/Japan/Switzerland reaction to just shut them all down.  It could happen.</p>
<p>I suppose you could finish out your career in cleanup, but that doesn&#8217;t sound very interesting.  Being a janitor wearing lead briefs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: agelbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agelbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elon Musk has made much better use of his degree in physics than you have. 

Nuclear is a box canyon. It always was but taxpayers were fooled into funding these &quot;too cheap to meter&quot; boondogles for making weapons grade plutonium. It&#039;s over for that poison generating bureaucratic, closed nuclear club, secrecy loving and high salary demanding monstrocity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon Musk has made much better use of his degree in physics than you have. </p>
<p>Nuclear is a box canyon. It always was but taxpayers were fooled into funding these &#8220;too cheap to meter&#8221; boondogles for making weapons grade plutonium. It&#8217;s over for that poison generating bureaucratic, closed nuclear club, secrecy loving and high salary demanding monstrocity.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-158325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and, actually, we&#039;ve got a number of such studies listed here: http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/



bottom line is very clear: most or even all of the world can be powered by renewables... for even cheaper than other options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, actually, we&#8217;ve got a number of such studies listed here: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/</a></p>
<p>bottom line is very clear: most or even all of the world can be powered by renewables&#8230; for even cheaper than other options.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-158256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baz, if you have a Master of Science then you&#039;ve had some
basic training in research and a bit of introduction to the philosophy of science.  You must know that data-based statements carry more weight than do opinions.

It&#039;s more than clear that we could supply 100% of our energy needs from renewable sources.  Jacobson and Delucchi did that bit of math in 2009.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030

Solar, alone, provides far more harvest-able energy than we can conceive of using.

http://i2.wp.com/cleantechnica.com/files/2011/08/energy-resources-renewables-fossil-fuel-uranium.png

We know that we can run major grids using nothing but renewable energy.  Budischak, et al. ran the numbers for the largest wholesale grid in the world.  Diensendorf, et al. did the same for all of Australia.  


While Jacobson and Delucchi showed that the energy was available and we have the technology needed to harvest it these other studies have shown that it would be practical to use renewables for our energy needs.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1NrBZJejkUTRYJv5YE__kBFuecdDL2pDTvKLyBjfCPr_8yR7eCTDhLGm8oEPo/edit

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/baseload-power-is-a-myth-even-intermittent-renewables-will-work-92421

Clearly your opinion that &quot; Nuclear is our only viable option to meet energy demands whilst reducing CO2 emissions&quot; is incorrect.  Data tells us so.

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Gen4 reactors are hypotheses.  They are unproven ideas.  


They might work or, like pebble bed reactors, they might not work.  Until proven we can&#039;t consider building our grid supply around them.  The same holds for fusion.  


Someday.  Perhaps....


Furthermore there is no reason to suspect that Gen4 reactors, if they can prove themselves, would be cheap enough to use.  


Nor would Gen4 reactors deal with the majority of our nuclear waste problem.  At best they would decrease the amount of waste fuel we have but they would do nothing for the millions and millions of gallons/pounds of liquid/solid radioactive waste that is plaguing us.  They would, in fact, create even more.


Energy storage is the big problem facing us right now.  It&#039;s certainly not an unsolvable problem since we could do the job with pump-up hydro.  We have more than enough places to build all the pump-up we would need (existing dams would give us plenty locations, closed loop greatly expands the number).  


We aren&#039;t to the point at which large scale storage is needed.  Wind and solar in the US are in the 5% range and our grids can convert to ~40% wind/solar before storage is needed.  By the time we need storage we are likely to see better options than pump-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baz, if you have a Master of Science then you&#8217;ve had some<br />
basic training in research and a bit of introduction to the philosophy of science.  You must know that data-based statements carry more weight than do opinions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more than clear that we could supply 100% of our energy needs from renewable sources.  Jacobson and Delucchi did that bit of math in 2009.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030</a></p>
<p>Solar, alone, provides far more harvest-able energy than we can conceive of using.</p>
<p><a href="http://i2.wp.com/cleantechnica.com/files/2011/08/energy-resources-renewables-fossil-fuel-uranium.png" rel="nofollow">http://i2.wp.com/cleantechnica.com/files/2011/08/energy-resources-renewables-fossil-fuel-uranium.png</a></p>
<p>We know that we can run major grids using nothing but renewable energy.  Budischak, et al. ran the numbers for the largest wholesale grid in the world.  Diensendorf, et al. did the same for all of Australia.  </p>
<p>While Jacobson and Delucchi showed that the energy was available and we have the technology needed to harvest it these other studies have shown that it would be practical to use renewables for our energy needs.</p>
<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/1NrBZJejkUTRYJv5YE__kBFuecdDL2pDTvKLyBjfCPr_8yR7eCTDhLGm8oEPo/edit" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/file/d/1NrBZJejkUTRYJv5YE__kBFuecdDL2pDTvKLyBjfCPr_8yR7eCTDhLGm8oEPo/edit</a></p>
<p><a href="http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/baseload-power-is-a-myth-even-intermittent-renewables-will-work-92421" rel="nofollow">http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/baseload-power-is-a-myth-even-intermittent-renewables-will-work-92421</a></p>
<p>Clearly your opinion that &#8221; Nuclear is our only viable option to meet energy demands whilst reducing CO2 emissions&#8221; is incorrect.  Data tells us so.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Gen4 reactors are hypotheses.  They are unproven ideas.  </p>
<p>They might work or, like pebble bed reactors, they might not work.  Until proven we can&#8217;t consider building our grid supply around them.  The same holds for fusion.  </p>
<p>Someday.  Perhaps&#8230;.</p>
<p>Furthermore there is no reason to suspect that Gen4 reactors, if they can prove themselves, would be cheap enough to use.  </p>
<p>Nor would Gen4 reactors deal with the majority of our nuclear waste problem.  At best they would decrease the amount of waste fuel we have but they would do nothing for the millions and millions of gallons/pounds of liquid/solid radioactive waste that is plaguing us.  They would, in fact, create even more.</p>
<p>Energy storage is the big problem facing us right now.  It&#8217;s certainly not an unsolvable problem since we could do the job with pump-up hydro.  We have more than enough places to build all the pump-up we would need (existing dams would give us plenty locations, closed loop greatly expands the number).  </p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t to the point at which large scale storage is needed.  Wind and solar in the US are in the 5% range and our grids can convert to ~40% wind/solar before storage is needed.  By the time we need storage we are likely to see better options than pump-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Baz</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-158249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m 22, with a Degree in Physics and a MSc in Nuclear Reactors. I also work for a engineering consulting company who specialise in the Nuclear Industry. So I&#039;ll let you figure that out... Btw I&#039;m all for renewable tech especially solar but we are kidding ourselves if we think we can produce all our energy needs solely from it. Atm the tech is at it&#039;s infancy with time and research/funding there is no doubt it will become a dominant player. But atm Nuclear is our only viable option to meet energy demands whilst reducing CO2 emissions. Gen 4 nuclear reactors (Fast Reactors) will use the Nuclear waste from old dirty reactors and hopefully Fusion will be commercially viable at this point too. Renewables currently are inefficient and costly but over time this will not be a problem, energy storage is also a concern but again with time this will also be solved until then we best get use to nuclear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 22, with a Degree in Physics and a MSc in Nuclear Reactors. I also work for a engineering consulting company who specialise in the Nuclear Industry. So I&#8217;ll let you figure that out&#8230; Btw I&#8217;m all for renewable tech especially solar but we are kidding ourselves if we think we can produce all our energy needs solely from it. Atm the tech is at it&#8217;s infancy with time and research/funding there is no doubt it will become a dominant player. But atm Nuclear is our only viable option to meet energy demands whilst reducing CO2 emissions. Gen 4 nuclear reactors (Fast Reactors) will use the Nuclear waste from old dirty reactors and hopefully Fusion will be commercially viable at this point too. Renewables currently are inefficient and costly but over time this will not be a problem, energy storage is also a concern but again with time this will also be solved until then we best get use to nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Schimaneck</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-158178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Schimaneck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-157753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Baz</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-157489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuclear, dead in the water and heavily subsidised. You clearly have no idea what you&#039;re talking about...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear, dead in the water and heavily subsidised. You clearly have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessee McBroom</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/03/bill-gates-provides-boost-to-renewable-energy-storage/#comment-157119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessee McBroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve liked the inexpensive and effective aspects of this Sodium Ion  Electrical Storage Technology since I came accross it about a year ago. I&#039;m glad Bill Gates sees the value of it as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve liked the inexpensive and effective aspects of this Sodium Ion  Electrical Storage Technology since I came accross it about a year ago. I&#8217;m glad Bill Gates sees the value of it as well.</p>
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