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	<title>Comments on: Rooftop Solar Could Power All Australia Homes (&amp; More)</title>
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		<title>By: ThomasGerke</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-159302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThomasGerke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s propably an infrastructure aftershock from the oil crisis in the 1970s. 
In Germany the reserve capacity stands at about 16% of the anual gas consumption. (That&#039;s 20 billion m³ or approx. 170 TWh of gas) 

According to wikipedia it&#039;s 110 billion m³ in the US. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s propably an infrastructure aftershock from the oil crisis in the 1970s.<br />
In Germany the reserve capacity stands at about 16% of the anual gas consumption. (That&#8217;s 20 billion m³ or approx. 170 TWh of gas) </p>
<p>According to wikipedia it&#8217;s 110 billion m³ in the US. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Adams</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-159284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That solution is quite brilliant.  I didn&#039;t know natural gas lines held so much storage potential.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That solution is quite brilliant.  I didn&#8217;t know natural gas lines held so much storage potential.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasGerke</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-159272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThomasGerke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether or not it will be expansive or not in our heavily distorted current energy markets, depends greatly on the world 10/20/40 years from now. 

Some estimates &amp; predictions for the security of supply for fossil fuels are a lot less optimistic than IEA outlooks. If we will continue to allow the socialization of the external effects of the current energy paradigm  is also questionable. 

The solution establishing itself as the #1 choice for seasonal storage in Germany is currently the  Power-to-Gas conversion to link the power &amp; gas grid (enabling surpluss wind &amp; solar to make use of the existing infrastructure). 

For a 100% renewable energy system it would take 40-60 GW of P2G capacity (in a unrealistic scenario that looks at Germany as an isolated island). 

Since P2G is highly scaleable it can be mass produced (lowering cost) and could be applied in a distributed way. (As a &quot;upgrade&quot; for existing biogas facilities, ... )

According to the Fraunhofer Institute the installation cost of 1 GW of P2G capacity should end up below 1 billion Euro. 

So we are looking at up to 60 billion € for the power to gas capacity... multi-TWh storage capacity already exists in the gas grid. 

Since Wind &amp; solar compliment each other quite well on a monthly timeframe, alot of storage capacity wouldn&#039;t even be neccessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not it will be expansive or not in our heavily distorted current energy markets, depends greatly on the world 10/20/40 years from now. </p>
<p>Some estimates &amp; predictions for the security of supply for fossil fuels are a lot less optimistic than IEA outlooks. If we will continue to allow the socialization of the external effects of the current energy paradigm  is also questionable. </p>
<p>The solution establishing itself as the #1 choice for seasonal storage in Germany is currently the  Power-to-Gas conversion to link the power &amp; gas grid (enabling surpluss wind &amp; solar to make use of the existing infrastructure). </p>
<p>For a 100% renewable energy system it would take 40-60 GW of P2G capacity (in a unrealistic scenario that looks at Germany as an isolated island). </p>
<p>Since P2G is highly scaleable it can be mass produced (lowering cost) and could be applied in a distributed way. (As a &#8220;upgrade&#8221; for existing biogas facilities, &#8230; )</p>
<p>According to the Fraunhofer Institute the installation cost of 1 GW of P2G capacity should end up below 1 billion Euro. </p>
<p>So we are looking at up to 60 billion € for the power to gas capacity&#8230; multi-TWh storage capacity already exists in the gas grid. </p>
<p>Since Wind &amp; solar compliment each other quite well on a monthly timeframe, alot of storage capacity wouldn&#8217;t even be neccessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Adams</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-157902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean when we go all out with solar, at 100%.  Distributed solar should have appropriately sized storage capabilities that are also distributed.


To quote from your link:

“To move beyond 40% to 80% renewable power (the target for around 2050),
 Germany could need as much as 14 GW of short-term and 18 GW of seasonal
 power storage to meet its peak power demand of around 80 GW in the 
moderate scenario. At that point, power prices would be roughly 10% 
greater than in 2011, but reaching 100% renewable power will be quite 
expensive indeed. The German engineers estimate that the final 20% will 
triple the need for power storage, raising prices once again by around 
19%.”
Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/#pSTSrKwK1kvQ1Yrz.99]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean when we go all out with solar, at 100%.  Distributed solar should have appropriately sized storage capabilities that are also distributed.</p>
<p>To quote from your link:</p>
<p>“To move beyond 40% to 80% renewable power (the target for around 2050),<br />
 Germany could need as much as 14 GW of short-term and 18 GW of seasonal<br />
 power storage to meet its peak power demand of around 80 GW in the<br />
moderate scenario. At that point, power prices would be roughly 10%<br />
greater than in 2011, but reaching 100% renewable power will be quite<br />
expensive indeed. The German engineers estimate that the final 20% will<br />
triple the need for power storage, raising prices once again by around<br />
19%.”<br />
Read more at <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/#pSTSrKwK1kvQ1Yrz.99" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/#pSTSrKwK1kvQ1Yrz.99</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, woops, i thought you were replying to a comment below! To answer your real question: I&#039;m not sure, but I don&#039;t think so. Would have to search around. 

One thing that comes to mind is the LA Solar Atlas: http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/21/los-angeles-could-be-solar-powered-sort-of-ucla-study-finds/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, woops, i thought you were replying to a comment below! To answer your real question: I&#8217;m not sure, but I don&#8217;t think so. Would have to search around. </p>
<p>One thing that comes to mind is the LA Solar Atlas: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/21/los-angeles-could-be-solar-powered-sort-of-ucla-study-finds/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/03/21/los-angeles-could-be-solar-powered-sort-of-ucla-study-finds/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The US isn&#039;t anywhere near Germany&#039;s solar penetration: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/top-solar-power-countries-per-capita-per-gdp-per-twh-of-electricity-produced-in-total/

Not even any of our states to the country as a whole: http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/29/top-solar-states-vs-top-solar-countries-cleantechnica-exclusive/

But yes, these matters have been studied a little bit in the US already.

I&#039;d recommend: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/20/clean-energy-could-supply-u-s-with-70-of-electricity-by-2030-noaa-director-says/

And maybe: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/12/11/wind-solar-storage-could-power-full-electric-grid-cost-effectively-99-9-of-the-time-by-2030-report/

More such stories here: http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US isn&#8217;t anywhere near Germany&#8217;s solar penetration: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/top-solar-power-countries-per-capita-per-gdp-per-twh-of-electricity-produced-in-total/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/top-solar-power-countries-per-capita-per-gdp-per-twh-of-electricity-produced-in-total/</a></p>
<p>Not even any of our states to the country as a whole: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/29/top-solar-states-vs-top-solar-countries-cleantechnica-exclusive/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/29/top-solar-states-vs-top-solar-countries-cleantechnica-exclusive/</a></p>
<p>But yes, these matters have been studied a little bit in the US already.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/20/clean-energy-could-supply-u-s-with-70-of-electricity-by-2030-noaa-director-says/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/02/20/clean-energy-could-supply-u-s-with-70-of-electricity-by-2030-noaa-director-says/</a></p>
<p>And maybe: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/12/11/wind-solar-storage-could-power-full-electric-grid-cost-effectively-99-9-of-the-time-by-2030-report/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/12/11/wind-solar-storage-could-power-full-electric-grid-cost-effectively-99-9-of-the-time-by-2030-report/</a></p>
<p>More such stories here: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/70-80-99-9-100-renewables-study-central/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: RSMills</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RSMills]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has Cleantechnica  reported on the US market in the same way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Cleantechnica  reported on the US market in the same way?</p>
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		<title>By: jburt56</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jburt56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.  Cleantechnica covered this--

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Cleantechnica covered this&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/09/german-study-not-much-power-storage-or-coal-power-needed-for-40-renewable-power-supply/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Adams</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most solar installations (especially the bigger ones &gt;10 kW) will soon need some sort of storage capability to alleviate stresses on the power lines during peak production.  Pressurized air and/or batteries along with a internet connected smart meter at select sites would work to control this excess.  Germany is apparently already having this problem.  Store it and let r loose at night!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most solar installations (especially the bigger ones &gt;10 kW) will soon need some sort of storage capability to alleviate stresses on the power lines during peak production.  Pressurized air and/or batteries along with a internet connected smart meter at select sites would work to control this excess.  Germany is apparently already having this problem.  Store it and let r loose at night!</p>
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		<title>By: linda518</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/29/rooftop-solar-could-power-all-australia-homes-more/#comment-156516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linda518]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think Daniel`s story is nice, , last week mother in law actually earned $6820 just sitting there a eighteen hour week from their apartment and there co-worker&#039;s step-sister`s neighbour has done this for five months and made more than $6820 part time on- line. the advice at this address, jump15.comCHECK IT OUT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Daniel`s story is nice, , last week mother in law actually earned $6820 just sitting there a eighteen hour week from their apartment and there co-worker&#8217;s step-sister`s neighbour has done this for five months and made more than $6820 part time on- line. the advice at this address, jump15.comCHECK IT OUT</p>
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