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	<title>Comments on: Centralized Energy &#8212; Beginning Of The End?</title>
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		<title>By: Ross Taylor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-160073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now there is need to use other non-conventional energy sources like solar and wind energy. Both of them are available in plenty  of amount and also they are well known clean energy source.

Many countries are already utilizing solar and wind energy for the alternative and saving of fossil fuel for the next generation and coal industry also needs energy from fossil fuel for digging, transportation etc.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bharatbook.com/market-research-reports/metals-and-minerals-market-research-report/the-australian-coal-mining-industry-to-2016-market-profile.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Australia Coal industry report&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there is need to use other non-conventional energy sources like solar and wind energy. Both of them are available in plenty  of amount and also they are well known clean energy source.</p>
<p>Many countries are already utilizing solar and wind energy for the alternative and saving of fossil fuel for the next generation and coal industry also needs energy from fossil fuel for digging, transportation etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bharatbook.com/market-research-reports/metals-and-minerals-market-research-report/the-australian-coal-mining-industry-to-2016-market-profile.html" rel="nofollow">Australia Coal industry report</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-155025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is a shame that natural gas is more expensive than coal in Germany. but for the record, Germany is shutting down more coal plants than it is starting up. the ones that are starting are a small number of those originally planned to replace old plants. http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/11/coal-plants-out-of-style-in-germay/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a shame that natural gas is more expensive than coal in Germany. but for the record, Germany is shutting down more coal plants than it is starting up. the ones that are starting are a small number of those originally planned to replace old plants. <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/11/coal-plants-out-of-style-in-germay/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/11/coal-plants-out-of-style-in-germay/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ab</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154953</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Falling prices, greater awareness and incentives are definitely driving solar PV and the shift to distributed generation, but Europe&#039;s nat gas market is a peculiar one, in that nat gas is relatively expensive there (compared to US) and comes with geopolitical complications...supply from Russia...

Moreover, utils are shifting primarily to coal while shuttering nat gas plants, as this Bloomberg article points out: 

“The switch from gas to coal in Europe is a very serious retrograde 
step from a climate change perspective,” Dieter Helm, an energy policy 
professor at the University of Oxford, said by e-mail. “In Germany it is
 worse -- building new coal power stations which will be locked in for 
decades.” 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/europe-gas-carnage-shown-by-eon-closing-3-year-old-plant-energy.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Falling prices, greater awareness and incentives are definitely driving solar PV and the shift to distributed generation, but Europe&#8217;s nat gas market is a peculiar one, in that nat gas is relatively expensive there (compared to US) and comes with geopolitical complications&#8230;supply from Russia&#8230;</p>
<p>Moreover, utils are shifting primarily to coal while shuttering nat gas plants, as this Bloomberg article points out: </p>
<p>“The switch from gas to coal in Europe is a very serious retrograde<br />
step from a climate change perspective,” Dieter Helm, an energy policy<br />
professor at the University of Oxford, said by e-mail. “In Germany it is<br />
 worse &#8212; building new coal power stations which will be locked in for<br />
decades.” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/europe-gas-carnage-shown-by-eon-closing-3-year-old-plant-energy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/europe-gas-carnage-shown-by-eon-closing-3-year-old-plant-energy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: wilbert Robichaud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wilbert Robichaud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and Do they dig them out by hand and then it ,like magic turn into silicon ...NO like aluminum they need a smelter ..trucks electric shovels ,man power .... FOSSIL FUELS .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Do they dig them out by hand and then it ,like magic turn into silicon &#8230;NO like aluminum they need a smelter ..trucks electric shovels ,man power &#8230;. FOSSIL FUELS .</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So well solar power too come to an end .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So well solar power too come to an end .</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever read about the history of steel manufacturing?

Turns out that the factories like Bethlehem Steel that continued to use open hearth smelting and refused to move to electric furnaces went bankrupt.

Aluminum?  Electric smelting.

Glass?  Electric furnace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever read about the history of steel manufacturing?</p>
<p>Turns out that the factories like Bethlehem Steel that continued to use open hearth smelting and refused to move to electric furnaces went bankrupt.</p>
<p>Aluminum?  Electric smelting.</p>
<p>Glass?  Electric furnace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jouni Valkonen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jouni Valkonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[actually solar panels are manufactured from silicon and aluminum that are two most common elements after oxygen in the Earth&#039;s crust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually solar panels are manufactured from silicon and aluminum that are two most common elements after oxygen in the Earth&#8217;s crust.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes it’s easy to propagate an idea and sell that idea to the individuals in society however we all know that rich people invested in the technology in order to make money out of those ignorant people based on climate change. Those rich people who invested in the renewable energy sector then by law forced the government to buy back their expensive energy at distortion prices of the energy market. It is quite clear by energy market reference that marketing prices in the energy sector were distorted as renewable energy got transferred, thus the devastating disaster of events that transformed within New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, and Western Australia. All this state consecutively resulted in high electricity cost buyback and subsidisation of solar panels, making electricity unaffordable for the individual to purchase and that demand for electricity resulted in a fall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it’s easy to propagate an idea and sell that idea to the individuals in society however we all know that rich people invested in the technology in order to make money out of those ignorant people based on climate change. Those rich people who invested in the renewable energy sector then by law forced the government to buy back their expensive energy at distortion prices of the energy market. It is quite clear by energy market reference that marketing prices in the energy sector were distorted as renewable energy got transferred, thus the devastating disaster of events that transformed within New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, and Western Australia. All this state consecutively resulted in high electricity cost buyback and subsidisation of solar panels, making electricity unaffordable for the individual to purchase and that demand for electricity resulted in a fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What nonsense, you know quite well the demand for energy in Australia has fallen because of the high cost transferred through renewable energy, and not the impact of solar energy. The dynamics at play was solar subsidies which pushed pressure on electricity price driving it sky high, and that demand which you speak off coal energy was a result of number of aluminium manufactures shutting down, which were producing aluminium for solar panel frames.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What nonsense, you know quite well the demand for energy in Australia has fallen because of the high cost transferred through renewable energy, and not the impact of solar energy. The dynamics at play was solar subsidies which pushed pressure on electricity price driving it sky high, and that demand which you speak off coal energy was a result of number of aluminium manufactures shutting down, which were producing aluminium for solar panel frames.</p>
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		<title>By: tooheydog</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154865</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tooheydog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[clean energy...invest now...save the planet...make money...can&#039;t beat it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clean energy&#8230;invest now&#8230;save the planet&#8230;make money&#8230;can&#8217;t beat it!</p>
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		<title>By: wilbert Robichaud</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154864</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wilbert Robichaud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And them Windmills and Solar panels will be built with..... Air?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And them Windmills and Solar panels will be built with&#8230;.. Air?</p>
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		<title>By: Jouni Valkonen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jouni Valkonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[because coal electricity producers does not pay for the external costs of coal. Imagine that subsidies for renewables are carbon taxes for the coal industry. Subsidies are used for cutting the profitability of coal like coal should be unprofitable if its external costs are fully accounted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because coal electricity producers does not pay for the external costs of coal. Imagine that subsidies for renewables are carbon taxes for the coal industry. Subsidies are used for cutting the profitability of coal like coal should be unprofitable if its external costs are fully accounted.</p>
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		<title>By: wilbert Robichaud</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wilbert Robichaud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do we have to pay for them with our taxes if they are free?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we have to pay for them with our taxes if they are free?</p>
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		<title>By: KK</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/15/centralized-energy-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-154828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Closing coal fired plants is a good thing! The wind and the sun are free, and they also don&#039;t ruin the climate. http://clmtr.lt/cb/p3z]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closing coal fired plants is a good thing! The wind and the sun are free, and they also don&#8217;t ruin the climate. <a href="http://clmtr.lt/cb/p3z" rel="nofollow">http://clmtr.lt/cb/p3z</a></p>
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