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	<title>Comments on: Reuters Goes All CleanTechnica On Solar Power &amp; Utility Profits</title>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve skimmed that report. While I agree with their base conclusion, they play very conservative on storage technology and limit themselves to &quot;Electro-Chemical Storage&quot; which makes storage less economical than I believe it will be by 2030.

Even so, their final conclusion stands: it will likely be cheaper to &quot;waste&quot; some excess electricity in times of exceedingly high supply and low demand and have overbuilt generation capacity than to store that power for weeks or even months.

With all of that said, we will almost always be in the same or better position with distributed generating capacity than with localized energy generation - fairly independent of what storage technology does. And actually distributive, smart storage only helps this situation.


While it is definitely not a bad thing to build more PV, the OPTIMAL solution would be to make it all distributed. As these panels last at least 30 years, the decisions made now will likely effect us for the majority of our lifetime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve skimmed that report. While I agree with their base conclusion, they play very conservative on storage technology and limit themselves to &#8220;Electro-Chemical Storage&#8221; which makes storage less economical than I believe it will be by 2030.</p>
<p>Even so, their final conclusion stands: it will likely be cheaper to &#8220;waste&#8221; some excess electricity in times of exceedingly high supply and low demand and have overbuilt generation capacity than to store that power for weeks or even months.</p>
<p>With all of that said, we will almost always be in the same or better position with distributed generating capacity than with localized energy generation &#8211; fairly independent of what storage technology does. And actually distributive, smart storage only helps this situation.</p>
<p>While it is definitely not a bad thing to build more PV, the OPTIMAL solution would be to make it all distributed. As these panels last at least 30 years, the decisions made now will likely effect us for the majority of our lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Different perspectives on this, though. From what I understand, this study recommended overbuilding renewables, finding it was the most cost-effective solution to meeting electricity needs by 2030: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775312014759

However, I still haven&#039;t read this one thoroughly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different perspectives on this, though. From what I understand, this study recommended overbuilding renewables, finding it was the most cost-effective solution to meeting electricity needs by 2030: <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775312014759" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775312014759</a></p>
<p>However, I still haven&#8217;t read this one thoroughly.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks pretty good if Renewables are getting positive mainstream attention!

But as far as utility scale solar: Utility Scale PV is not something to fight for. While it is better than FFs and Nuclear, PV is one of the best technologies to use for distributed generation and, until we have cheap and ubiquitous storage, we can only have so much PV capacity on the grid before it stops being beneficial. (This is because of the energy generation profile - producing the most during the day and nothing at night. While this is not the problem most make it out to be, it does establish a limit as to how much we can economical put to the grid, which is, the average noon-time demand - or, a heck of a lot. Even so, it is a limit.) With this, it would be ideal to use as much of this capacity in distributed set ups as possible.

The Power generators should be focused on pump-up hydro and CSP for their dispatch-able nature and wind for the majority of the energy generation.

If only politicians actually ran through the numbers and understood the engineering limits and benefits of each technology... Ah, one can dream...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks pretty good if Renewables are getting positive mainstream attention!</p>
<p>But as far as utility scale solar: Utility Scale PV is not something to fight for. While it is better than FFs and Nuclear, PV is one of the best technologies to use for distributed generation and, until we have cheap and ubiquitous storage, we can only have so much PV capacity on the grid before it stops being beneficial. (This is because of the energy generation profile &#8211; producing the most during the day and nothing at night. While this is not the problem most make it out to be, it does establish a limit as to how much we can economical put to the grid, which is, the average noon-time demand &#8211; or, a heck of a lot. Even so, it is a limit.) With this, it would be ideal to use as much of this capacity in distributed set ups as possible.</p>
<p>The Power generators should be focused on pump-up hydro and CSP for their dispatch-able nature and wind for the majority of the energy generation.</p>
<p>If only politicians actually ran through the numbers and understood the engineering limits and benefits of each technology&#8230; Ah, one can dream&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuclear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Saar Herman</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saar Herman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice to know ! thank you for sharing !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to know ! thank you for sharing !</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Benjamin. I think I&#039;ll try to dust off and work on repairing my &quot;german hat&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Benjamin. I think I&#8217;ll try to dust off and work on repairing my &#8220;german hat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. Appreciate it. Regarding the French installation: that a solar one? or the nuclear one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Appreciate it. Regarding the French installation: that a solar one? or the nuclear one?</p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the relevant part of their website: http://www.tescohomeefficiency.com/renewable-energy/
I don&#039;t know how the price stacks up to you but would say it looks pretty competitive for the UK.

While I&#039;m on, have just seen a piece on a UK national news channel about the failure so far to agree a mutually acceptable wattage price for a proposed French installation and the very real possibility that it won&#039;t go ahead, much to the embarrassment of the UK government!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the relevant part of their website: <a href="http://www.tescohomeefficiency.com/renewable-energy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tescohomeefficiency.com/renewable-energy/</a><br />
I don&#8217;t know how the price stacks up to you but would say it looks pretty competitive for the UK.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m on, have just seen a piece on a UK national news channel about the failure so far to agree a mutually acceptable wattage price for a proposed French installation and the very real possibility that it won&#8217;t go ahead, much to the embarrassment of the UK government!</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty site. Love the design. Is that custom built? Or an available theme for purchase somewhere?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty site. Love the design. Is that custom built? Or an available theme for purchase somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. Yes, we&#039;ve been getting some good information from German insiders writing in English (including one of our writers). Exciting to see. I&#039;d love to travel around Germany discussing the matter with people there in order to get an even better picture of the populous perspective and level of knowledge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Yes, we&#8217;ve been getting some good information from German insiders writing in English (including one of our writers). Exciting to see. I&#8217;d love to travel around Germany discussing the matter with people there in order to get an even better picture of the populous perspective and level of knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I had the same experience. :D I tried commenting a few times, but something kept interfering -- guess it was one of my Chrome settings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I had the same experience. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /> I tried commenting a few times, but something kept interfering &#8212; guess it was one of my Chrome settings.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the EV articles are horrible. I&#039;ve been meaning to write a debunking reply to one for about a month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the EV articles are horrible. I&#8217;ve been meaning to write a debunking reply to one for about a month.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, are you serious? That&#039;s awesome. If you happen to be able to grab a screenshot of that, I&#039;d love to see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, are you serious? That&#8217;s awesome. If you happen to be able to grab a screenshot of that, I&#8217;d love to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, actually in Germany that is quite a big topic in the media. Over here with the End of Nuclear the utilitys are in big trouble. For those who know German: We are writing a lot about the Energiewende and its implications here http://green.wiwo.de/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, actually in Germany that is quite a big topic in the media. Over here with the End of Nuclear the utilitys are in big trouble. For those who know German: We are writing a lot about the Energiewende and its implications here <a href="http://green.wiwo.de/" rel="nofollow">http://green.wiwo.de/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too had read the Reuters article. I would have commented there but the ad blocking software prevents me from using the Reuters login mechanism. Then there is the problem of Reuters being so plainly wrong on topics that I often seriously think about deleting their feeds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too had read the Reuters article. I would have commented there but the ad blocking software prevents me from using the Reuters login mechanism. Then there is the problem of Reuters being so plainly wrong on topics that I often seriously think about deleting their feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McInerney</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom McInerney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the article with surprise as well
Reuters is infamous over at Chevy volt forum for all the  slanted bias ,
EV bashing articles
Maybe they hired some younger writers without crusted fossilized thought process
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article with surprise as well<br />
Reuters is infamous over at Chevy volt forum for all the  slanted bias ,<br />
EV bashing articles<br />
Maybe they hired some younger writers without crusted fossilized thought process</p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, just to rub it in, Tesco, the UK&#039;s largest retailer, is now advertising rooftop solar plus a range of other renewable products on my iGoogle page with a &#039;7 year payback&#039; promise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, just to rub it in, Tesco, the UK&#8217;s largest retailer, is now advertising rooftop solar plus a range of other renewable products on my iGoogle page with a &#8216;7 year payback&#8217; promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Of course, I&#039;m hoping that someone there is reading CleanTechnica. But, even if not, happy that they at least got the info somewhere and decided it was a good story to run with!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Of course, I&#8217;m hoping that someone there is reading CleanTechnica. But, even if not, happy that they at least got the info somewhere and decided it was a good story to run with!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex S</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[soon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Chandler</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/03/10/reuters-goes-all-cleantechnica-on-solar-power-utility-profits/#comment-154152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Chandler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.</p>
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