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	<title>Comments on: 1 Thing I&#8217;ve Learned From The Tesla&#8211;NYTimes Firestorm</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better Place can do an automated swap in about five minutes.  It&#039;s a &#039;pull through&#039; process.  No need to exit the car.


If batteries can&#039;t get much better (I believe they will get a lot better) then swapping could be a way to make EVs into long distance vehicles.  


Design them to hold an extra battery pack.  When you get to the highway rent a battery.  Drive it until you need another and pull in for a quick swap.


100 miles and pause, 100 miles and pause, etc.  It might add a half hour to a full day of driving.


Not ideal, but if you were taking one of these trips 3-4 times a year and saving a bundle the rest of the time....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better Place can do an automated swap in about five minutes.  It&#8217;s a &#8216;pull through&#8217; process.  No need to exit the car.</p>
<p>If batteries can&#8217;t get much better (I believe they will get a lot better) then swapping could be a way to make EVs into long distance vehicles.  </p>
<p>Design them to hold an extra battery pack.  When you get to the highway rent a battery.  Drive it until you need another and pull in for a quick swap.</p>
<p>100 miles and pause, 100 miles and pause, etc.  It might add a half hour to a full day of driving.</p>
<p>Not ideal, but if you were taking one of these trips 3-4 times a year and saving a bundle the rest of the time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s Better Place. (Unless you&#039;re talking about such stations for Tesla owners.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place

http://www.betterplace.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s Better Place. (Unless you&#8217;re talking about such stations for Tesla owners.)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.betterplace.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.betterplace.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; A typical family day can rack up hundreds of miles.&quot;


A little over the top?


These days it&#039;s hard to drive a lot of miles per day on SoCal highways.  Easy to spend a lot of time getting almost nowhere....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; A typical family day can rack up hundreds of miles.&#8221;</p>
<p>A little over the top?</p>
<p>These days it&#8217;s hard to drive a lot of miles per day on SoCal highways.  Easy to spend a lot of time getting almost nowhere&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In one or two of the Tesla videos I&#039;ve seen garages where the cars drive in and the battery packs are exchanged. Musk has mentioned these stations do it in less than 60 seconds. (Or some awesomely short period of time but I&#039;m pretty sure it was 60 seconds.) Please keep your eyes out for more information on this. Somehow or other it will become an option soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one or two of the Tesla videos I&#8217;ve seen garages where the cars drive in and the battery packs are exchanged. Musk has mentioned these stations do it in less than 60 seconds. (Or some awesomely short period of time but I&#8217;m pretty sure it was 60 seconds.) Please keep your eyes out for more information on this. Somehow or other it will become an option soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, good points. I think this is why the Volt has ended up selling much better than the Leaf. But, surely, it&#039;s a combination of factors, with this just being one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, good points. I think this is why the Volt has ended up selling much better than the Leaf. But, surely, it&#8217;s a combination of factors, with this just being one.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I realize there are some regions (especially yours) where a ridiculously painful commute is the norm. Clearly, better range and/or more (and faster) charging stations will be key, or simply greater market penetration of extended PHEVs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I realize there are some regions (especially yours) where a ridiculously painful commute is the norm. Clearly, better range and/or more (and faster) charging stations will be key, or simply greater market penetration of extended PHEVs.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. &amp; have the feeling Broder&#039;s piece and the whole controversy around it ended up being a net positive for Tesla.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. &amp; have the feeling Broder&#8217;s piece and the whole controversy around it ended up being a net positive for Tesla.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Siegers</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pieter Siegers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article that Martin wrote and this one yours makes a very good point, so eventually guys like Broder are just digging their own grave. 

I don&#039;t mind, just let them do what they want and we&#039;ll have a good laugh once in a while. 

And we&#039;ll be laughing even harder when they pay their ever more expensive gasoline bill at ever growing distance because most gas stations will rapidly have become charger stations...! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article that Martin wrote and this one yours makes a very good point, so eventually guys like Broder are just digging their own grave. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind, just let them do what they want and we&#8217;ll have a good laugh once in a while. </p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll be laughing even harder when they pay their ever more expensive gasoline bill at ever growing distance because most gas stations will rapidly have become charger stations&#8230;! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/18/1-thing-ive-learned-from-the-tesla-nytimes-firestorm/#comment-151736</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info. I checked out the three phone apps for pin pointing chargers. There are a lot of charging stations. However when you drill down looking for fast chargers or ones made for Tesla things get bleak. It&#039;s only a matter of time though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info. I checked out the three phone apps for pin pointing chargers. There are a lot of charging stations. However when you drill down looking for fast chargers or ones made for Tesla things get bleak. It&#8217;s only a matter of time though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like the I-5 electric highway is up and running.  You can drive from Mexico to Canada using fast charging stations every 25 to 50 miles along the way.

&quot;At the end of 2012, when the combined projects are complete, the West Coast will have the nation’s longest and most robust charging network with thousands of Level 2 charging pedestals and more than 100 DC fast chargers.&quot;

http://www.westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighways.htm

There are other systems being built.  One is along I-95 in the Northeast.  There&#039;s another in Texas.

I&#039;m pretty sure that the nav systems in EVs know where the charging stations are.  There are web sites which show thousands of places to charge.



EVs aren&#039;t yet long distance cars.  


The first Model Ts would not drive up steep hills in forward, you had to back up.  And you had to start them with a crank.  And they didn&#039;t have windshield wipers, electric lights or roll up windows.


The first personal computers stored data on cassette tapes and displayed in only black and white.


Stuff evolves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the I-5 electric highway is up and running.  You can drive from Mexico to Canada using fast charging stations every 25 to 50 miles along the way.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the end of 2012, when the combined projects are complete, the West Coast will have the nation’s longest and most robust charging network with thousands of Level 2 charging pedestals and more than 100 DC fast chargers.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighways.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.westcoastgreenhighway.com/electrichighways.htm</a></p>
<p>There are other systems being built.  One is along I-95 in the Northeast.  There&#8217;s another in Texas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that the nav systems in EVs know where the charging stations are.  There are web sites which show thousands of places to charge.</p>
<p>EVs aren&#8217;t yet long distance cars.  </p>
<p>The first Model Ts would not drive up steep hills in forward, you had to back up.  And you had to start them with a crank.  And they didn&#8217;t have windshield wipers, electric lights or roll up windows.</p>
<p>The first personal computers stored data on cassette tapes and displayed in only black and white.</p>
<p>Stuff evolves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivor O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivor O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming the person is working 5 days a week 50 weeks a year that&#039;s 250 trips. So using that 97% figure we see the average person makes about 7 trips a year that are likely to need charging away from home or work. 


Now lets talk about the average Southern Californian. We routinely make trips from San Diego to Orange County to Los Angeles to Santa Barbara. It&#039;s insane. A typical family day can rack up hundreds of miles. So much so an EV must have charging stations that should be no more than 20 miles apart. And all charging stations should be clearly marked in the navigation console so you know how far and when these charging times would optimally fit your schedule.


I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll probably have these charging stations, here in Southern California, every 20 miles or less soon. I&#039;m guessing in the first five years. And they will certainly be needed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the person is working 5 days a week 50 weeks a year that&#8217;s 250 trips. So using that 97% figure we see the average person makes about 7 trips a year that are likely to need charging away from home or work. </p>
<p>Now lets talk about the average Southern Californian. We routinely make trips from San Diego to Orange County to Los Angeles to Santa Barbara. It&#8217;s insane. A typical family day can rack up hundreds of miles. So much so an EV must have charging stations that should be no more than 20 miles apart. And all charging stations should be clearly marked in the navigation console so you know how far and when these charging times would optimally fit your schedule.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll probably have these charging stations, here in Southern California, every 20 miles or less soon. I&#8217;m guessing in the first five years. And they will certainly be needed!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert M. Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert M. Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Otis hits the nail on the head. I&#039;m a hybrid driver and have looked into the Volt and the Leaf, so I&#039;m by no means predisposed to be anti-EV. But the issue is &quot;range&quot; in a broader sense than &quot;how many miles can I go on a charge?&quot; It&#039;s also &quot;what will happen when I&#039;m running low on charge?&quot; With ICE vehicles, there&#039;s usually a gas station nearby where it takes five minutes to a full tank. With an EV, the there may very well not be a charging station within range and, if there is, a &quot;quick charge&quot; may be a half-hour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otis hits the nail on the head. I&#8217;m a hybrid driver and have looked into the Volt and the Leaf, so I&#8217;m by no means predisposed to be anti-EV. But the issue is &#8220;range&#8221; in a broader sense than &#8220;how many miles can I go on a charge?&#8221; It&#8217;s also &#8220;what will happen when I&#8217;m running low on charge?&#8221; With ICE vehicles, there&#8217;s usually a gas station nearby where it takes five minutes to a full tank. With an EV, the there may very well not be a charging station within range and, if there is, a &#8220;quick charge&#8221; may be a half-hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, unfortunately many people simply do not know how little they actually drive in a given day, and until the charging system is built out, those with medium-to-long commutes are in an awkward position... but hopefully that won&#039;t last long.

That&#039;s the other great reason for PHEVs - people get then, and then realize just how little they actually use the gasoline engine. Hopefully they&#039;ll remember that when they trade it in for something new.

Btw - Transportation funding crisis. I&#039;ll have something on that in a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, unfortunately many people simply do not know how little they actually drive in a given day, and until the charging system is built out, those with medium-to-long commutes are in an awkward position&#8230; but hopefully that won&#8217;t last long.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the other great reason for PHEVs &#8211; people get then, and then realize just how little they actually use the gasoline engine. Hopefully they&#8217;ll remember that when they trade it in for something new.</p>
<p>Btw &#8211; Transportation funding crisis. I&#8217;ll have something on that in a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[prices are coming down considerably: http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/21/major-drops-in-price-ahead-for-nissan-leaf-and-chevy-volt/

http://evobsession.com/comparing-electric-cars-to-gas-cars/

but yes, the second issue is a bigger one. there&#039;s already a transportation funding crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prices are coming down considerably: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/21/major-drops-in-price-ahead-for-nissan-leaf-and-chevy-volt/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/21/major-drops-in-price-ahead-for-nissan-leaf-and-chevy-volt/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://evobsession.com/comparing-electric-cars-to-gas-cars/" rel="nofollow">http://evobsession.com/comparing-electric-cars-to-gas-cars/</a></p>
<p>but yes, the second issue is a bigger one. there&#8217;s already a transportation funding crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[now all we need is the price to come down to something reasonable without subsidies.

Watch this space when governments realise that they are going to loose fuel tax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now all we need is the price to come down to something reasonable without subsidies.</p>
<p>Watch this space when governments realise that they are going to loose fuel tax.</p>
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