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	<title>Comments on: Germans Love Their Solar &amp; Wind Power &#8212; Myth About Solar Subsidy &#8216;Backlash&#8217; Is BS</title>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-224793</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh - fully agree. Remove the subsidies from every energy source. I&#039;ve been arguing that for years as subsidizing energy creates economic distortions that encourage inefficient uses, and subsidizing polluting sources simply adds insult to injury.

Sadly, I doubt this would ever pass as it hits the poor the hardest. (Energy costs make up a larger % of their income). There are ways to fix this, but increased costs are never popular, even it is correcting previously incorrect costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8211; fully agree. Remove the subsidies from every energy source. I&#8217;ve been arguing that for years as subsidizing energy creates economic distortions that encourage inefficient uses, and subsidizing polluting sources simply adds insult to injury.</p>
<p>Sadly, I doubt this would ever pass as it hits the poor the hardest. (Energy costs make up a larger % of their income). There are ways to fix this, but increased costs are never popular, even it is correcting previously incorrect costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-224684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Micah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all, let&#039;s keep in mind that we subsidize fossil fuels far more than renewables.  Here&#039;s a nice graphic on it: http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1012/subsidize-this/flat.html  This is true of the United States and of the world as a whole.

Not only do we subsidize fossil fuels more now, but we have been doing so for hundreds of years, investing into research and infrastructure to support fossil fuels.  Despite that fact, solar is still becoming the more cost effective option.  Even in the northern state of Minnesota, solar won out over natural gas for a peaking facility: http://www.startribune.com/business/238322571.html

If solar can even get close to becoming cost competitive now, imagine what it could do if we got rid of the fossil fuel subsidies.  My favorite energy policy is Rick Santorum&#039;s, he advocates for removing all energy subsidies.  On the other side of the coin, imagine what solar could do if we threw millions of dollars of inflation adjusted subsidies at it for 200 years like we did for fossil fuels.

A University of Delaware study found that we could power huge electric grids 99.9% with renewables by 2030 at electric prices very close to current prices.  Detractors will always that solar isn&#039;t here yet, but we do have a very simple choice: we can power the future with the fuel of the last 200 years, or we can power it with the fuel of the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all, let&#8217;s keep in mind that we subsidize fossil fuels far more than renewables.  Here&#8217;s a nice graphic on it: <a href="http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1012/subsidize-this/flat.html" rel="nofollow">http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1012/subsidize-this/flat.html</a>  This is true of the United States and of the world as a whole.</p>
<p>Not only do we subsidize fossil fuels more now, but we have been doing so for hundreds of years, investing into research and infrastructure to support fossil fuels.  Despite that fact, solar is still becoming the more cost effective option.  Even in the northern state of Minnesota, solar won out over natural gas for a peaking facility: <a href="http://www.startribune.com/business/238322571.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/business/238322571.html</a></p>
<p>If solar can even get close to becoming cost competitive now, imagine what it could do if we got rid of the fossil fuel subsidies.  My favorite energy policy is Rick Santorum&#8217;s, he advocates for removing all energy subsidies.  On the other side of the coin, imagine what solar could do if we threw millions of dollars of inflation adjusted subsidies at it for 200 years like we did for fossil fuels.</p>
<p>A University of Delaware study found that we could power huge electric grids 99.9% with renewables by 2030 at electric prices very close to current prices.  Detractors will always that solar isn&#8217;t here yet, but we do have a very simple choice: we can power the future with the fuel of the last 200 years, or we can power it with the fuel of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222113</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yucca Mountain, as storage is now envisioned, is a 100 year push-out of the problem.

Down the road additional shielding would be required to constrain possible vessel leaks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yucca Mountain, as storage is now envisioned, is a 100 year push-out of the problem.</p>
<p>Down the road additional shielding would be required to constrain possible vessel leaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, good to know. So if we fix our restrictions on recycling so that they can reduce the amount and radioactivity of waste, as well as increasing the amount of fuel, that puts us on a good path. Add in insurance requirements with the recent improvements to gen technology, and it doesn&#039;t look like a half bad option assuming it&#039;s competitive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, good to know. So if we fix our restrictions on recycling so that they can reduce the amount and radioactivity of waste, as well as increasing the amount of fuel, that puts us on a good path. Add in insurance requirements with the recent improvements to gen technology, and it doesn&#8217;t look like a half bad option assuming it&#8217;s competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only flaw with Yucca Mountain is that Nevada was an early primary state with swing state electoral votes and politics have overwhelmed good public policy. It was studied to death and was found very safe. We&#039;ll probably end up using WIPP in New Mexico if they dont re-open Yucca as an option. But I&#039;m all for recycling anyway, which would reduce waste streams by 10x or more if done right, and btw, non-fuel radioactive products are radioactive for much shorter periods of time, so it drastically reduces issues to separate them. It&#039;s not done for one simple reason and that is once-through is cheaper right now. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only flaw with Yucca Mountain is that Nevada was an early primary state with swing state electoral votes and politics have overwhelmed good public policy. It was studied to death and was found very safe. We&#8217;ll probably end up using WIPP in New Mexico if they dont re-open Yucca as an option. But I&#8217;m all for recycling anyway, which would reduce waste streams by 10x or more if done right, and btw, non-fuel radioactive products are radioactive for much shorter periods of time, so it drastically reduces issues to separate them. It&#8217;s not done for one simple reason and that is once-through is cheaper right now. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[​Yucca Mountain, had it not been flawed, would have quickly filled. Looking at how hard it was to find that site no one should expect a second, third, fourth, ... site would be found to store the waste from the hundreds of reactors it would take to replace fossil fuel.

BTW, taxpayers paid for a lot of the Yucca Mountain costs.

If recycling was a great idea the industry would be doing it already.  And recycling applies only to used fuel.  It does nothing for the millions of tons/gallons of non-fuel radioactive waste.​]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>​Yucca Mountain, had it not been flawed, would have quickly filled. Looking at how hard it was to find that site no one should expect a second, third, fourth, &#8230; site would be found to store the waste from the hundreds of reactors it would take to replace fossil fuel.</p>
<p>BTW, taxpayers paid for a lot of the Yucca Mountain costs.</p>
<p>If recycling was a great idea the industry would be doing it already.  And recycling applies only to used fuel.  It does nothing for the millions of tons/gallons of non-fuel radioactive waste.​</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot to agree with there, in particular nuclear energy needs to do more &#039;recycling&#039; and lessen waste. On costs of used fuel, though, be aware that the nuclear industry in the US *does* pay for nuclear waste disposal costs via a fee, they paid $20-30 billion in fees over the last few decades, paying for the yucca facility that the US govt has reneged on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot to agree with there, in particular nuclear energy needs to do more &#8216;recycling&#8217; and lessen waste. On costs of used fuel, though, be aware that the nuclear industry in the US *does* pay for nuclear waste disposal costs via a fee, they paid $20-30 billion in fees over the last few decades, paying for the yucca facility that the US govt has reneged on.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-222096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so it&#039;s an issue with the term I decided to use. Regardless, I&#039;m all for more choices. I actually support nuclear to the degree it&#039;s cost effective. Anything that reduces the air pollution while allowing us to reduce costs and maintain our standard of living is a win in my book. Though, for nuclear I do believe the plant should be responsible for refining the waste into new feedstock to reuse (to minimize waste), be responsible for maintaining the waste that they do create until it is safe to be disposed of (completely safe - no longer radioactive) and have to have insurance against any major disaster. Unfortunately these three requirements generally are paid for by governments (and therefore taxpayers), which hides the true costs that would otherwise make it uneconomical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so it&#8217;s an issue with the term I decided to use. Regardless, I&#8217;m all for more choices. I actually support nuclear to the degree it&#8217;s cost effective. Anything that reduces the air pollution while allowing us to reduce costs and maintain our standard of living is a win in my book. Though, for nuclear I do believe the plant should be responsible for refining the waste into new feedstock to reuse (to minimize waste), be responsible for maintaining the waste that they do create until it is safe to be disposed of (completely safe &#8211; no longer radioactive) and have to have insurance against any major disaster. Unfortunately these three requirements generally are paid for by governments (and therefore taxpayers), which hides the true costs that would otherwise make it uneconomical.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221429</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree. There is merit and consumer power in having more choices, both via technology like rooftop solar and regulation changes to support choice and competition (like feed-in etc). They reinforce eachother. And &#039;all of the above&#039; beats &#039;one solution to rule them all&#039; (the nuclear-phobic hosts here should ponder that nuclear + renewables are complimentary solutions that work together in an overall energy complex). My only objection really was the phrase &#039;democratization of grid&#039;, which imho means little. What matters is giving electric buyers/ users power of choice. It&#039;s a positive trend whatever the label.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. There is merit and consumer power in having more choices, both via technology like rooftop solar and regulation changes to support choice and competition (like feed-in etc). They reinforce eachother. And &#8216;all of the above&#8217; beats &#8216;one solution to rule them all&#8217; (the nuclear-phobic hosts here should ponder that nuclear + renewables are complimentary solutions that work together in an overall energy complex). My only objection really was the phrase &#8216;democratization of grid&#8217;, which imho means little. What matters is giving electric buyers/ users power of choice. It&#8217;s a positive trend whatever the label.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I already have a brokerage account and have money invested... but not in traditional utility stocks. I haven&#039;t found any that I have substantial faith in them growing more profitable. But this is yet another way to expand those options.

Just because a solution doesn&#039;t solve every problem is not a reason to discount it unless another solution that does solve more problems is found. This does improve our current situation and as such, should not be discounted. 

I&#039;m simply in favor a more consumer choices/rights - especially when they lower consumer costs and are more environmentally friendly.

I am in favor of ending retail monopolies and creating competitive retail electric markets... but I see no reason why we can&#039;t do both that and allow consumers to have rooftop solar...

And I agree - they both go together, but I see no reason why we can&#039;t have solar even in more compact locations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already have a brokerage account and have money invested&#8230; but not in traditional utility stocks. I haven&#8217;t found any that I have substantial faith in them growing more profitable. But this is yet another way to expand those options.</p>
<p>Just because a solution doesn&#8217;t solve every problem is not a reason to discount it unless another solution that does solve more problems is found. This does improve our current situation and as such, should not be discounted. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m simply in favor a more consumer choices/rights &#8211; especially when they lower consumer costs and are more environmentally friendly.</p>
<p>I am in favor of ending retail monopolies and creating competitive retail electric markets&#8230; but I see no reason why we can&#8217;t do both that and allow consumers to have rooftop solar&#8230;</p>
<p>And I agree &#8211; they both go together, but I see no reason why we can&#8217;t have solar even in more compact locations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, you&#039;re a &#039;pre-purchaser&#039;.  You&#039;re stocking up on electricity for the next 40+ years.

Locking in a nice low price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you&#8217;re a &#8216;pre-purchaser&#8217;.  You&#8217;re stocking up on electricity for the next 40+ years.</p>
<p>Locking in a nice low price.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the ones I&#039;ve used have been gravity powered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the ones I&#8217;ve used have been gravity powered.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar powered outhouses ... now that&#039;s living off the grid!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar powered outhouses &#8230; now that&#8217;s living off the grid!</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;About the last thing one would want to do today is to be a utility investor.&quot;
That&#039;s what you become when you buy a solar panel connected for feed-in to the grid or invest in a solar farm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;About the last thing one would want to do today is to be a utility investor.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s what you become when you buy a solar panel connected for feed-in to the grid or invest in a solar farm.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the last thing one would want to do today is to be a utility investor.  At least in a non-regulated utility district where the utility company owns thermal plants.  Stranded assets is the game today.

There are community solar farms in some cities/neighborhoods.  A way for individuals to make a solar play without owning a roof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the last thing one would want to do today is to be a utility investor.  At least in a non-regulated utility district where the utility company owns thermal plants.  Stranded assets is the game today.</p>
<p>There are community solar farms in some cities/neighborhoods.  A way for individuals to make a solar play without owning a roof.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisJSays</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TravisJSays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It helps democratize who gets the money. Currently only large investors  can afford to build a power plant on the scale necessary to be competitive in the current market.&quot;

ahem, for a lot less than solar rooftop installation, you can get a small brokerage account, buy some of the utility ETF or a utility stock, and be a utility investor.

&quot;Solar is allowing the average joe to put panels on his roof and enter the ranks of a producer if he so chooses. &quot;

... except if he rents, doesnt have a few thousand to spare, or lives in a condo in the city, etc. 

If you want consumer power wrt grid, end utility monopolies. Texas has done that with a competitive retail electrical market. The grid is a natural monopoly but power generation and retail of it are not. 

I was thinking septic tank when I wrote it, but that&#039;s the silliness. There isn&#039;t really a political implication from a different form of infrastructure. IMHO, the term itself is silly, denoting a political implication that is imaginary.

But it does fit in this sense: The same places that could use septic would use solar rooftop. too spread out for being on the grid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It helps democratize who gets the money. Currently only large investors  can afford to build a power plant on the scale necessary to be competitive in the current market.&#8221;</p>
<p>ahem, for a lot less than solar rooftop installation, you can get a small brokerage account, buy some of the utility ETF or a utility stock, and be a utility investor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Solar is allowing the average joe to put panels on his roof and enter the ranks of a producer if he so chooses. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; except if he rents, doesnt have a few thousand to spare, or lives in a condo in the city, etc. </p>
<p>If you want consumer power wrt grid, end utility monopolies. Texas has done that with a competitive retail electrical market. The grid is a natural monopoly but power generation and retail of it are not. </p>
<p>I was thinking septic tank when I wrote it, but that&#8217;s the silliness. There isn&#8217;t really a political implication from a different form of infrastructure. IMHO, the term itself is silly, denoting a political implication that is imaginary.</p>
<p>But it does fit in this sense: The same places that could use septic would use solar rooftop. too spread out for being on the grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to mention outhouses....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention outhouses&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It helps democratize who gets the money. Currently only large investors can afford to build a power plant on the scale necessary to be competitive in the current market. This limits investors to the super rich and corporations. Solar is allowing the average joe to put panels on his roof and enter the ranks of a producer if he so chooses. This gives more power to the average citizen as, even if they do not go solar, they now have the choice to do so if they wish - this limits how much large corporations can squeeze from the citizens.

And in many places the sewer systems are democratized - it&#039;s called a septic tank. If you live in a remote area you probably have one. Though, I should mention this is a bogus comparison anyway...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It helps democratize who gets the money. Currently only large investors can afford to build a power plant on the scale necessary to be competitive in the current market. This limits investors to the super rich and corporations. Solar is allowing the average joe to put panels on his roof and enter the ranks of a producer if he so chooses. This gives more power to the average citizen as, even if they do not go solar, they now have the choice to do so if they wish &#8211; this limits how much large corporations can squeeze from the citizens.</p>
<p>And in many places the sewer systems are democratized &#8211; it&#8217;s called a septic tank. If you live in a remote area you probably have one. Though, I should mention this is a bogus comparison anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221177</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Technology probably would.  Maybe would.

The manufacturing and installation industries would not have.

Perhaps you don&#039;t know the history of computers.  For example, you might not know how the computer industry was grown to the point at which the &#039;computer on a chip&#039; was developed and manufactured which allowed the PC to be born.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology probably would.  Maybe would.</p>
<p>The manufacturing and installation industries would not have.</p>
<p>Perhaps you don&#8217;t know the history of computers.  For example, you might not know how the computer industry was grown to the point at which the &#8216;computer on a chip&#8217; was developed and manufactured which allowed the PC to be born.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/10/germany-solar-subsidies-poll/#comment-221176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, part of the high cost of retail electricity in Germany is the renewable subsidy.  But a larger part is non-electricity taxes.


The FiT program does cost some money, but it&#039;s a wise investment which is leading to cheaper electricity in the future.  We should all thank the German people for making that investment which is benefiting us all.


(I would not make the same &quot;greedy people&quot; statement now, a year later.  I would be more specific and state that industry managed to dodge paying any of the renewable investment but is enjoying the dropping prices it is bringing.  I would have more carefully described who the greedy people are.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, part of the high cost of retail electricity in Germany is the renewable subsidy.  But a larger part is non-electricity taxes.</p>
<p>The FiT program does cost some money, but it&#8217;s a wise investment which is leading to cheaper electricity in the future.  We should all thank the German people for making that investment which is benefiting us all.</p>
<p>(I would not make the same &#8220;greedy people&#8221; statement now, a year later.  I would be more specific and state that industry managed to dodge paying any of the renewable investment but is enjoying the dropping prices it is bringing.  I would have more carefully described who the greedy people are.)</p>
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