Comments on: 4.47 To 1 — Ratio Of U.S. Voters Who Would Prefer Carbon Tax To Cut In Spending http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Carbon Tax! (Cartoon) http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-156258 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:45:22 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-156258 […] 4.47 To 1 — Ratio Of U.S. Voters Who Would Prefer Carbon Tax To Cut In Spending […]

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151818 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:31:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151818 I think we definitely agree with you here. The problem is political feasibility. Getting rid of nuclear and fossil fuel subsidies has proved infeasible, and pricing pollution even more so (if that’s possible).

]]> By: Ivor O'Connor http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151699 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:03:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151699 Ok… Most of what you say I agree with. However these nuclear and fossil companies do need to be charged for the pollution they cause. Let these polluters then pass on the costs to their users. Let’s not make clever convoluted “solutions” that lead to more of a mess.

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151656 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:53:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151656 We won’t get fair accounting. Coal will not be charged for the health costs is causes. Oil won’t be charged for the cost of oil wars.

Wind and solar will both likely be free of subsidies by 2017-2018.

Coal and oil will likely keep on sucking at the public tit.

As a society we are going to have to decide how fast we want to get off fossil fuels in order to avoid the worst of climate change.

We can speed up the transition by putting a thumb on the scale and making fossil fuels a bit more expensive, renewable a bit cheaper, or some of both.

]]> By: Ivor O'Connor http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151654 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:39:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151654 Taxes for fire departments, police, highways, airports, and education are all bad taxes.

]]> By: Ivor O'Connor http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151653 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151653 I’m all for wind and solar but as long as we have subsidies they’ll always go to those that deserve them least, i.e., fossil and nuclear. Wind and solar don’t need subsidies to destroy the old industries. They just need fair accounting across the board and we’ll be rid of the pollution within a decade.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151217 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:55:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151217 73%? Way to discredit yourself in the eyes of any sane person.

Pollution is a hidden tax on society, that just benefits the rich right now. If we taxed those rich polluters, we could improve our economy.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151216 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:53:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151216 –>Nope.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-151215 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:52:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-151215 Yep, those billionaires just can’t get a break. http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/02/11/study-confirms-tea-party-was-created-big-tobacco-and-billionaires

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150607 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:39:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150607 Here’s some info on how the Koch bros financed the tea party.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/koch-industries-denies-funding-freedomworks

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150606 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150606 Are you aware of who has financed the tea party?

Are you aware of who started it?

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150604 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:34:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150604 Oh, bull.

The taxes that pay for our fire departments and police forces are not bad taxes.

The taxes that pay for our highways and airports are not bad taxes.

The taxes that educate our future citizens are not bad taxes.

The taxes that help us stay competitive in world markets are not bad taxes.

Wasting tax dollars is a bad idea. That we can agree on. If those who wish our tax rates were lower would focus on how to get good results while spending less they would be doing the country a great favor. When they call for cuts simply for the sake of cuts they are doing a disservice.

]]> By: science guru http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150575 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:51:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150575 The T. E. A. party is the group that wants to cut off funding for fossil fuels and nuclear. Yes there was a small bit of support from the Koch brothers but for the most part T.E.A. is a grass roots movement.
I only deal in facts, that’s why I’m the science guru

]]> By: science guru http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150574 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:46:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150574 Wrong and wrong again! The basis of the “Tea party” is Taxed Enough Already (T.E.A.).

]]> By: science guru http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150573 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:44:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150573 The economy will always be under performing so long as there is too heavy of a tax burden for the producers.

]]> By: science guru http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150572 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:40:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150572 Any tax is a bad tax. We in the USA are already at 73% tax if you add together the many bloated and hidden taxes. Spending IS the problem, they just don’t want to look at it because it would expose their incompetency!
P. S. Who did they survey, sewer rats?

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150279 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:46:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150279 1- this would be fixing a leak. 2- no one said they had to be exclusive. this is just a poll result.

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150022 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 03:00:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150022 Our government spending is not nearly as bad as Republicans would like us to believe. Our largest problem is that our economy is still under performing. As we further recover revenues will increase and unemployment support costs will drop.

The US government is not like a household. We don’t need to ever pay off our debt. We simply keep the interest payments affordable.

A more efficient government would be a good thing. Nothing wrong with getting the biggest bang possible out of a buck.

Right now carbon is costing us a fortune. There’s the billion or so we spend each day to treat coal-caused health problems.

We spent hundreds of billions recovering from extreme weather disasters last year. And hundreds of billions the year before. If we don’t get climate change under control then we really could go bankrupt.

We spent around $9 trillion to fight three oil wars and trillions more policing the oil fields and supply routes. We spent more hundreds of billions on “homeland security”.

Get rid of carbon fuels on our grid and in our transportation systems and we save ourselves trillions of dollars.

Taking care of the less fortunate is what makes us a civil nation.

]]> By: Otis11 http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-150007 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 01:23:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-150007 So I’m a very large proponent of a carbon tax – but we HAVE to fix our spending addiction too. Just like we are living in an unsustainable way environmentally, our government is currently unsustainable economically, and in both cases it’s our kids who are going to lose.

And a carbon tax is not a suitable answer. As we start to tax it, it will decrease and the revenue will go down. We need to use it to fund temporary issues like paying back the deficit not paying for entitlement programs, because when the carbon tax revenue is gone, those will still be as money hungry as ever.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/03/4-47-to-1-ratio-of-u-s-voters-who-would-prefer-carbon-tax-to-cut-in-spending/#comment-149974 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 23:30:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=47988#comment-149974 First parts: agreed & agreed.

Last part: sometimes, the crowd has to lead, but I’m not clear on this issue if the crowd has to lead or wait — lean towards a bit of both, if that makes sense. :D

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