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	<title>Comments on: California Gets SEIA&#8217;s Praise, Arizona Gets SEIA&#8217;s Condemnation</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-161833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since this one popped up again with Ross&#039;s comment...

Dense/thin is not how we value a source of electricity.  We value sources and technologies based mainly on the LCOE that technology delivers.  LCOE plus time of delivery and &quot;side effects&quot;.

Nuclear&#039;s LCOE is one of the two highest, nuclear and coal.  Nuclear has a time of delivery problem as you can&#039;t turn reactors off at night.  And nuclear has way more than it share of side effect problems, all the way from sudden meltdowns to centuries of very hazardous waste. 

One of the reasons that nuclear is so expensive, has such a high LCOE, is that it is just plain dangerous.  We have to add all sorts of safety systems and security measures to nuclear plants so that they don&#039;t go Chernobyl on us.  Or at least they don&#039;t go Chernobyl on us too often.

Uranium and coal are our most energy dense electricity sources.  They are also the most expensive ways to bring new generation to the grid and they bring with them dangers totally unlike that of any other electricity source.

Wind and solar are energy &#039;thin&#039;.  But we&#039;ve learned how to turn those relatively thin sources of power into cheap electricity.  And we&#039;ve brought no important dangers to our environments with this technology.

(Don&#039;t stand under wind turbines in icing conditions.  You might get hit by falling ice.  As long as the ice doesn&#039;t hit anyone, it will simply melt away.  It won&#039;t contaminate the Earth for centuries.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this one popped up again with Ross&#8217;s comment&#8230;</p>
<p>Dense/thin is not how we value a source of electricity.  We value sources and technologies based mainly on the LCOE that technology delivers.  LCOE plus time of delivery and &#8220;side effects&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nuclear&#8217;s LCOE is one of the two highest, nuclear and coal.  Nuclear has a time of delivery problem as you can&#8217;t turn reactors off at night.  And nuclear has way more than it share of side effect problems, all the way from sudden meltdowns to centuries of very hazardous waste. </p>
<p>One of the reasons that nuclear is so expensive, has such a high LCOE, is that it is just plain dangerous.  We have to add all sorts of safety systems and security measures to nuclear plants so that they don&#8217;t go Chernobyl on us.  Or at least they don&#8217;t go Chernobyl on us too often.</p>
<p>Uranium and coal are our most energy dense electricity sources.  They are also the most expensive ways to bring new generation to the grid and they bring with them dangers totally unlike that of any other electricity source.</p>
<p>Wind and solar are energy &#8216;thin&#8217;.  But we&#8217;ve learned how to turn those relatively thin sources of power into cheap electricity.  And we&#8217;ve brought no important dangers to our environments with this technology.</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t stand under wind turbines in icing conditions.  You might get hit by falling ice.  As long as the ice doesn&#8217;t hit anyone, it will simply melt away.  It won&#8217;t contaminate the Earth for centuries.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-161831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff. You are clearly lying about being a scientist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff. You are clearly lying about being a scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-151228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must be kidding me. Geoff, you are making wild claims for supposedly being so informed. The price of solar has been cut in half in recent years. Efficiency improvements have been considerable. To say otherwise is to show that you don&#039;t actually follow this industry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be kidding me. Geoff, you are making wild claims for supposedly being so informed. The price of solar has been cut in half in recent years. Efficiency improvements have been considerable. To say otherwise is to show that you don&#8217;t actually follow this industry!</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-151225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no such thing as a &quot;free market&quot; as idealized in economic theory. There are huge market failures that make the market unbalanced (not &quot;free&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as a &#8220;free market&#8221; as idealized in economic theory. There are huge market failures that make the market unbalanced (not &#8220;free&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-151224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, I can only hope this is a joke! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I can only hope this is a joke! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-150756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell us how a 100% nuclear grid would operate Geoff.


And tell us which safety features/regulations you would eliminate from nuclear reactors in order to make them affordable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell us how a 100% nuclear grid would operate Geoff.</p>
<p>And tell us which safety features/regulations you would eliminate from nuclear reactors in order to make them affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-150755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how do you feel about the fact that we&#039;ve subsidized fossil fuels for 100 years and nuclear for over 60?


And how do you feel about the fact that no one would build a new nuclear plant unless they could receive some rather heavy subsidies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do you feel about the fact that we&#8217;ve subsidized fossil fuels for 100 years and nuclear for over 60?</p>
<p>And how do you feel about the fact that no one would build a new nuclear plant unless they could receive some rather heavy subsidies?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-150754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Wallace, I&#039;ve followed large scale electricity pricing since the early 1970s. I&#039;m also a scientist who understands the principles of electrical generation and distribution. Incoming solar cannot pass a known figure, which is very dilute energy, because the sun is not predicted to suddenly start a brighter shining. There might be tiny, incremental improvements to the harvest of this dilute energy, but at the end of that road there is a gigantic concrete block that stops further progress. Nuclear does not have this technical barrier.
When anti-development activists have had 60 years to increase artificial imposts on solar, it will be hell of a lot more expensive that nuclear has becomes because of its 60 years of fighting activism.
It&#039;s a social problem, not an engineering or resources or science problem. Some anti nuclear activists have spent near a life time inventing unreal ways to make it more costly. Why, some of them even claim this to be their benefit to society. Useful fools, I think was an older description.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Wallace, I&#8217;ve followed large scale electricity pricing since the early 1970s. I&#8217;m also a scientist who understands the principles of electrical generation and distribution. Incoming solar cannot pass a known figure, which is very dilute energy, because the sun is not predicted to suddenly start a brighter shining. There might be tiny, incremental improvements to the harvest of this dilute energy, but at the end of that road there is a gigantic concrete block that stops further progress. Nuclear does not have this technical barrier.<br />
When anti-development activists have had 60 years to increase artificial imposts on solar, it will be hell of a lot more expensive that nuclear has becomes because of its 60 years of fighting activism.<br />
It&#8217;s a social problem, not an engineering or resources or science problem. Some anti nuclear activists have spent near a life time inventing unreal ways to make it more costly. Why, some of them even claim this to be their benefit to society. Useful fools, I think was an older description.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-150753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachary, you cannot attribute motive to strangers without proof. Perhaps these mysterious rich folks are capable of economic rationalist thought, a way to get richer in the first place. Perhaps they do not like to see viable industries destroyed so that dumb ones can replace them. Perhaps you might be better advised not to shout the dogma of other activists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary, you cannot attribute motive to strangers without proof. Perhaps these mysterious rich folks are capable of economic rationalist thought, a way to get richer in the first place. Perhaps they do not like to see viable industries destroyed so that dumb ones can replace them. Perhaps you might be better advised not to shout the dogma of other activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-150751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What extraordinary confusion! How can Arizona be subsidised with REST surcharges, then in the same article have &quot; ....a longstanding commitment to economic development, free markets ....&quot;
Economic development does NOT mean taking workers from established, productive jobs and putting them into less productive jobs. That is the reverse of economic development.
Subsidies have NO part in a true Free market. 
Junk writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What extraordinary confusion! How can Arizona be subsidised with REST surcharges, then in the same article have &#8221; &#8230;.a longstanding commitment to economic development, free markets &#8230;.&#8221;<br />
Economic development does NOT mean taking workers from established, productive jobs and putting them into less productive jobs. That is the reverse of economic development.<br />
Subsidies have NO part in a true Free market.<br />
Junk writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, I understand that - but they have to realize they are fighting a losing battle, right? Technology doesn&#039;t get more expensive, only resources do. So unless silicon runs out and prices skyrocket (aka all the sand in the world happened to evaporate...) they can&#039;t win this fight. Wouldn&#039;t it be better to get in on the profit than go down swinging?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I understand that &#8211; but they have to realize they are fighting a losing battle, right? Technology doesn&#8217;t get more expensive, only resources do. So unless silicon runs out and prices skyrocket (aka all the sand in the world happened to evaporate&#8230;) they can&#8217;t win this fight. Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to get in on the profit than go down swinging?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149248</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A number of these companies own coal and nuclear plants.


They are used to making very sweet money when peak demand and merit order pricing take the wholesale/closing price of electricity very high.


PV solar whacks those high peak prices.  Cuts deeply into coal and nuclear profits.


Right now about 1/4th of all US nuclear plants are in trouble because wind and natural gas are cutting profits almost to the point where they can&#039;t stay in business.  One big repair bill could easily do them in.  Lots of solar will make their lives even worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of these companies own coal and nuclear plants.</p>
<p>They are used to making very sweet money when peak demand and merit order pricing take the wholesale/closing price of electricity very high.</p>
<p>PV solar whacks those high peak prices.  Cuts deeply into coal and nuclear profits.</p>
<p>Right now about 1/4th of all US nuclear plants are in trouble because wind and natural gas are cutting profits almost to the point where they can&#8217;t stay in business.  One big repair bill could easily do them in.  Lots of solar will make their lives even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis11</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otis11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well they have to realize they&#039;re fighting a losing battle! As PV becomes less and less expensive and more and more efficient, the cost of transmission will become an ever-increasing portion of the cost of electricity.

Within the decade solar will the at grid parity or better in all but the cheapest electricity markets (many of which are subsidized anyway!). The only hope for electric companies is 1) areas that are to power dense to produce all that they need (commercial and industry) and 2) as a commodity trading market (aka buy excess ower at just a slightly lower price than they sell it).

I just don&#039;t understand why commercial giants refuse to see what&#039;s right in front of them - in many industries. I understand trying to fight it for a while to allow you to transition to the new business model, but trying to fight it forever is futile! Might actually be a good idea to short their stocks now that I think about it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they have to realize they&#8217;re fighting a losing battle! As PV becomes less and less expensive and more and more efficient, the cost of transmission will become an ever-increasing portion of the cost of electricity.</p>
<p>Within the decade solar will the at grid parity or better in all but the cheapest electricity markets (many of which are subsidized anyway!). The only hope for electric companies is 1) areas that are to power dense to produce all that they need (commercial and industry) and 2) as a commodity trading market (aka buy excess ower at just a slightly lower price than they sell it).</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand why commercial giants refuse to see what&#8217;s right in front of them &#8211; in many industries. I understand trying to fight it for a while to allow you to transition to the new business model, but trying to fight it forever is futile! Might actually be a good idea to short their stocks now that I think about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Powerful, rich folks not thrilled with losing profits to solar. That&#039;s what it&#039;s about, afaik.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful, rich folks not thrilled with losing profits to solar. That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s about, afaik.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure who&#039;s working on the ground there, but I&#039;d check in with votesolar.org (or even SEIA) to see if they could use some help or can connect you with people there who are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure who&#8217;s working on the ground there, but I&#8217;d check in with votesolar.org (or even SEIA) to see if they could use some help or can connect you with people there who are.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-149070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, not ringing a bell... there are actually 2 search options on the site -- the crappy WordPress-based on on the top right, and the custom google search on the bottom left. though, for some reason, that one has been disappearing, reappearing, disappearing, etc in recent days... must be something on google&#039;s end, though, so we&#039;re helpless.

Using a google search with &#039;cleantechnica&#039; at the end, the best i&#039;m coming up with is this:
 http://cleantechnica.com/2012/08/03/oil-gas-over-13-times-more-in-historical-subsidies-than-clean-energy/ 
if that&#039;s not it, take a stroll through our &quot;Oil&quot; category (yep, we really do have one): http://cleantechnica.com/category/fossil-fuels/oil/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, not ringing a bell&#8230; there are actually 2 search options on the site &#8212; the crappy WordPress-based on on the top right, and the custom google search on the bottom left. though, for some reason, that one has been disappearing, reappearing, disappearing, etc in recent days&#8230; must be something on google&#8217;s end, though, so we&#8217;re helpless.</p>
<p>Using a google search with &#8216;cleantechnica&#8217; at the end, the best i&#8217;m coming up with is this:<br />
 <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/08/03/oil-gas-over-13-times-more-in-historical-subsidies-than-clean-energy/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/08/03/oil-gas-over-13-times-more-in-historical-subsidies-than-clean-energy/</a><br />
if that&#8217;s not it, take a stroll through our &#8220;Oil&#8221; category (yep, we really do have one): <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/category/fossil-fuels/oil/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/category/fossil-fuels/oil/</a></p>
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		<title>By: science guru</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-148503</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[science guru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zach, 
Great post. What do we do about this issue?  Arizona is a no brainer for solar energy and it should be in the hands of the people that paid for it thru their electric bill.  It will only get worse if we do nothing.
Patrick sums it up very well in his comments.
Could you post something / anything that will give us some teeth to fight back?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach,<br />
Great post. What do we do about this issue?  Arizona is a no brainer for solar energy and it should be in the hands of the people that paid for it thru their electric bill.  It will only get worse if we do nothing.<br />
Patrick sums it up very well in his comments.<br />
Could you post something / anything that will give us some teeth to fight back?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-148327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart people should be moving their capital out of coal.  Oil will continue to make a lot of money for many more years.


But, were I heavily into oil, I&#039;d be checking EV battery technology every day. I would not at all be surprised to see a 200 mile range battery suddenly appear.  The big boys tend to develop behind closed doors and then spring new product on the market.


Once we get affordable 200 mile range EVs I can see the market quickly shifting to EVs and after that it will take roughly 15 more years to get most ICEVs off the road.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart people should be moving their capital out of coal.  Oil will continue to make a lot of money for many more years.</p>
<p>But, were I heavily into oil, I&#8217;d be checking EV battery technology every day. I would not at all be surprised to see a 200 mile range battery suddenly appear.  The big boys tend to develop behind closed doors and then spring new product on the market.</p>
<p>Once we get affordable 200 mile range EVs I can see the market quickly shifting to EVs and after that it will take roughly 15 more years to get most ICEVs off the road.</p>
<p>Coal is going to die much faster.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick kerfoot</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/24/california-gets-seias-praise-arizona-gets-seias-condemnation/#comment-148259</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patrick kerfoot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is more about political agendas then bringing clean energy to Arizona and the US, In most of the discussions on this subject, there has been one thing that seems to be left out and that&#039;s the shareholders return on investments to energy comodities, that in my opinion is the major obstaclel to all of the renewable energy advancemnets, this is old money, people get substantial income from standard energy comodities, (oil, coal, and natural gas). There is no energy comodity on raw materials with renewables (sun, wind, and geathermal) and this is why there is resistance to change.No one spoke up for factory workers when automation took their livelyhoods, however now a major part of the investment community is being threaten with the lose of their income and they are crying out loud. Arizona is a republican state, they represent the investment community in this case and if you check most republican states you will find the same thing with exception to those that have major wind generation capacities.In my opinion,again, this needs to be brought to the front of any disccusions concerning why renewable energy projects, research, and further development of phasing out old energy is to progress. It&#039;s not taboo to tell the investment sector to get with the times and move on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is more about political agendas then bringing clean energy to Arizona and the US, In most of the discussions on this subject, there has been one thing that seems to be left out and that&#8217;s the shareholders return on investments to energy comodities, that in my opinion is the major obstaclel to all of the renewable energy advancemnets, this is old money, people get substantial income from standard energy comodities, (oil, coal, and natural gas). There is no energy comodity on raw materials with renewables (sun, wind, and geathermal) and this is why there is resistance to change.No one spoke up for factory workers when automation took their livelyhoods, however now a major part of the investment community is being threaten with the lose of their income and they are crying out loud. Arizona is a republican state, they represent the investment community in this case and if you check most republican states you will find the same thing with exception to those that have major wind generation capacities.In my opinion,again, this needs to be brought to the front of any disccusions concerning why renewable energy projects, research, and further development of phasing out old energy is to progress. It&#8217;s not taboo to tell the investment sector to get with the times and move on.</p>
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