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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-148669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we&#039;re going to see a  huge increase in rooftop/parking lot solar happening over the next couple of years.  The price has become very sweet and installation companies are starting to mature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re going to see a  huge increase in rooftop/parking lot solar happening over the next couple of years.  The price has become very sweet and installation companies are starting to mature.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-148668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s where it wins.  Energy density is less important for grid storage.  Batteries can be packaged in &quot;shipping containers&quot; and stacked high.  Cheap to house.


If they can hit their targets, &lt;$200/kWh and 20,000 cycles, then they would be providing $0.01/kWh storage.  At this point in time anything less than $0.05/kWh would be a winner.  It would make a ~100% wind/solar/geothermal/hydro/tidal grid affordable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s where it wins.  Energy density is less important for grid storage.  Batteries can be packaged in &#8220;shipping containers&#8221; and stacked high.  Cheap to house.</p>
<p>If they can hit their targets, &lt;$200/kWh and 20,000 cycles, then they would be providing $0.01/kWh storage.  At this point in time anything less than $0.05/kWh would be a winner.  It would make a ~100% wind/solar/geothermal/hydro/tidal grid affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bannor99</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-148655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bannor99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took a look at Aquion&#039;s downloadable presentation and it seems the energy density of this battery is very low - barely 30 Wh / liter so perhaps 30% that of lead-acid. 

So it&#039;ll have to win on cheaper and more reliable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look at Aquion&#8217;s downloadable presentation and it seems the energy density of this battery is very low &#8211; barely 30 Wh / liter so perhaps 30% that of lead-acid. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;ll have to win on cheaper and more reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bannor99</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bannor99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s pretty much what I&#039;ve been saying for years. 
When I look at the number of parking lots and malls or big box stores that have been built in the 30 yrs since I became interested in sustainable living, it&#039;s obvious that we have  lots of places to install solar that are already connected to the grid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty much what I&#8217;ve been saying for years.<br />
When I look at the number of parking lots and malls or big box stores that have been built in the 30 yrs since I became interested in sustainable living, it&#8217;s obvious that we have  lots of places to install solar that are already connected to the grid.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that note on rapeseed. Tons of that stuff in Poland (beautiful yellow fields in the summer). Have always wondered about how &#039;green&#039; it is, but haven&#039;t gotten around to looking into it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that note on rapeseed. Tons of that stuff in Poland (beautiful yellow fields in the summer). Have always wondered about how &#8216;green&#8217; it is, but haven&#8217;t gotten around to looking into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that is another huge one that doesn&#039;t get much attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that is another huge one that doesn&#8217;t get much attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellently stated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellently stated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“PV is orders of magnitude more efficient than biofuels pathways in terms of land use – 30, 50, even 200 times more efficient – depending on the specific crop and local conditions,” says Geyer. “You get the same amount of energy using much less land, and PV doesn’t require farm land.”

That&#039;s only &quot;one&quot; of the &quot;one-two punch&quot; that knocks biofuel out of a major role in future ground transportation.

Burn biofuel in an internal combustion engine and roughly 80% of the energy is lost, never gets used to turn the wheels.

Use PV electricity in an EV and only 10% of the energy is lost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“PV is orders of magnitude more efficient than biofuels pathways in terms of land use – 30, 50, even 200 times more efficient – depending on the specific crop and local conditions,” says Geyer. “You get the same amount of energy using much less land, and PV doesn’t require farm land.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only &#8220;one&#8221; of the &#8220;one-two punch&#8221; that knocks biofuel out of a major role in future ground transportation.</p>
<p>Burn biofuel in an internal combustion engine and roughly 80% of the energy is lost, never gets used to turn the wheels.</p>
<p>Use PV electricity in an EV and only 10% of the energy is lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the metal in solar panels is aluminum for the frame.  Very abundant. 
Other metals are used in very small amounts and all the metals can be recovered during recycling.

You&#039;re right about some of the biofuel feedstocks.  Stripping fields of crop &quot;waste&quot; will reduce the organic matter in soil making it necessary to use more fertilizer and increasing topsoil loss.

The exceptions are some perennial plants such as switchgrass.  Switchgrass, in particular, has an extensive root system and over years improves the soil by increasing the organic content of the soil  It also sequesters carbon.

Another biofuel feedstock which might actually help the soil is rapeseed/canola or other mustard plants which can be grown in between crops of wheat when the soil would normally be left bare.  A inter-crop cover can protect the soil.  If the seed are harvested and the stems disked back in there should be an improvement in the soil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the metal in solar panels is aluminum for the frame.  Very abundant.<br />
Other metals are used in very small amounts and all the metals can be recovered during recycling.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about some of the biofuel feedstocks.  Stripping fields of crop &#8220;waste&#8221; will reduce the organic matter in soil making it necessary to use more fertilizer and increasing topsoil loss.</p>
<p>The exceptions are some perennial plants such as switchgrass.  Switchgrass, in particular, has an extensive root system and over years improves the soil by increasing the organic content of the soil  It also sequesters carbon.</p>
<p>Another biofuel feedstock which might actually help the soil is rapeseed/canola or other mustard plants which can be grown in between crops of wheat when the soil would normally be left bare.  A inter-crop cover can protect the soil.  If the seed are harvested and the stems disked back in there should be an improvement in the soil.</p>
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		<title>By: visualeyes</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[visualeyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The one point no one EVER brings up with biofuels is that they give nothing back to the land. Corn eats topsoil at outrageous rates. At least PV panels give shade which will reduce moisture loss in the land they cover. I am concerned with the source of metals in PV, however, I still don&#039;t see PV contributing to famine as biofuels are poised to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one point no one EVER brings up with biofuels is that they give nothing back to the land. Corn eats topsoil at outrageous rates. At least PV panels give shade which will reduce moisture loss in the land they cover. I am concerned with the source of metals in PV, however, I still don&#8217;t see PV contributing to famine as biofuels are poised to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I knew that.  I just couldn&#039;t help myself.... ;o)


Biofuel is going to be only a niche player.  We might need it for airplane fuel, and hopefully we can get what we need from algae.  Other sources of biofuel just don&#039;t seem to be adequate to supply very much.


I&#039;m fairly certain we&#039;ll get some good EV batteries in the next few years and biofuels for ground transportation will just not be needed.  Electrovaya has started shipping batteries that have about 2x the capacity of the LEAF batteries.  That would get us fairly close to the magic 200 mile range.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I knew that.  I just couldn&#8217;t help myself&#8230;. ;o)</p>
<p>Biofuel is going to be only a niche player.  We might need it for airplane fuel, and hopefully we can get what we need from algae.  Other sources of biofuel just don&#8217;t seem to be adequate to supply very much.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly certain we&#8217;ll get some good EV batteries in the next few years and biofuels for ground transportation will just not be needed.  Electrovaya has started shipping batteries that have about 2x the capacity of the LEAF batteries.  That would get us fairly close to the magic 200 mile range.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see farms as a big part of the energy solution. We can grow biomass for fuel, grow food, and put up solar panels or wind turbines to produce energy. Basically a one stop place for every type of energy (grid, transportation/fuel, and food energy)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see farms as a big part of the energy solution. We can grow biomass for fuel, grow food, and put up solar panels or wind turbines to produce energy. Basically a one stop place for every type of energy (grid, transportation/fuel, and food energy)</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was talking more about transportation specifically. Biofuel doesn&#039;t seem like much of a contributor to grid energy, but a solution to getting us off fossil fuels without being so resource intensive. Having said that, I agree with everything you say. We need a smarter grid with great storage capacity (batteries) and a variety of renewable sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking more about transportation specifically. Biofuel doesn&#8217;t seem like much of a contributor to grid energy, but a solution to getting us off fossil fuels without being so resource intensive. Having said that, I agree with everything you say. We need a smarter grid with great storage capacity (batteries) and a variety of renewable sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/18/are-photovoltaics-or-biofuels-better-at-energy-conversion/#comment-147462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not car batteries, but grid storage batteries.

Aquion is now shipping.  They make a sodium-ion battery that is made of inexpensive materials and 100% recyclable.

I believe their target price is $300/kWh and they&#039;ve been proven out at &gt;5,000 100% DoD cycles by independent lab testing. 

At $300/kWh and 10k cycles they will be selling $0.03/kWh storage.

Nighttime wind at 5 cents or less stored for 3 cents and with some loss and overhead yields stored electricity at less than 10 cents/kWh.

Feed the grid a mixture of solar (10 cents) and wind (5 cents) and fill in with stored wind (10 cents) and we&#039;ve hit affordable renewable. By the time you add in distribution and profits the price might be a few cents higher than the current US 12 cent average.  That extra can be largely offset with efficiency.

Initially wind/solar/storage will largely offset expensive peaking power.  That will bring the cost of electricity down as it is doing now in Germany.  If we improve efficiency during this phase then we may never feel pain.

Prices will fall.   Solar is on its way to 5 cents.  Wind on its way to 3.  

Aquion thinks they can increase cycle life to 20,000 and drop price below $200/kWh.  That would make storage less than 1 cent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not car batteries, but grid storage batteries.</p>
<p>Aquion is now shipping.  They make a sodium-ion battery that is made of inexpensive materials and 100% recyclable.</p>
<p>I believe their target price is $300/kWh and they&#8217;ve been proven out at &gt;5,000 100% DoD cycles by independent lab testing. </p>
<p>At $300/kWh and 10k cycles they will be selling $0.03/kWh storage.</p>
<p>Nighttime wind at 5 cents or less stored for 3 cents and with some loss and overhead yields stored electricity at less than 10 cents/kWh.</p>
<p>Feed the grid a mixture of solar (10 cents) and wind (5 cents) and fill in with stored wind (10 cents) and we&#8217;ve hit affordable renewable. By the time you add in distribution and profits the price might be a few cents higher than the current US 12 cent average.  That extra can be largely offset with efficiency.</p>
<p>Initially wind/solar/storage will largely offset expensive peaking power.  That will bring the cost of electricity down as it is doing now in Germany.  If we improve efficiency during this phase then we may never feel pain.</p>
<p>Prices will fall.   Solar is on its way to 5 cents.  Wind on its way to 3.  </p>
<p>Aquion thinks they can increase cycle life to 20,000 and drop price below $200/kWh.  That would make storage less than 1 cent.</p>
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		<title>By: anderlan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anderlan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on. 
0.2%: Land area that can power humanity (2008 levels) with current solar technology.
0.4%: Land area covered by impervious structures.

http://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/044003/fulltext/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on.<br />
0.2%: Land area that can power humanity (2008 levels) with current solar technology.<br />
0.4%: Land area covered by impervious structures.</p>
<p><a href="http://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127" rel="nofollow">http://landartgenerator.org/blagi/archives/127</a><br />
<a href="http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/044003/fulltext/" rel="nofollow">http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/044003/fulltext/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anderlan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anderlan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You look at the raw physics of this, PV conversion versus photosynthesis, and it&#039;s a no-brainer.  You don&#039;t have to go into the details, unless you just want to be super duper duper sure and expository about it.
It&#039;s kind of like the raw physics of CO2 concentration increase.  We don&#039;t really need ice cores and hockey sticks.  Politicians asked for them so they would be super duper duper sure they didn&#039;t have to decimate their donor industry.  There&#039;s no debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You look at the raw physics of this, PV conversion versus photosynthesis, and it&#8217;s a no-brainer.  You don&#8217;t have to go into the details, unless you just want to be super duper duper sure and expository about it.<br />
It&#8217;s kind of like the raw physics of CO2 concentration increase.  We don&#8217;t really need ice cores and hockey sticks.  Politicians asked for them so they would be super duper duper sure they didn&#8217;t have to decimate their donor industry.  There&#8217;s no debate.</p>
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		<title>By: anderlan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anderlan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree batteries should be examined.  However, I&#039;m going to ballpark guess that PV is still an order of magnitude better, even including the effects of its storage medium.

I will say that woody waste streams, including responsibly harvesting good old kindling, could be better exploited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree batteries should be examined.  However, I&#8217;m going to ballpark guess that PV is still an order of magnitude better, even including the effects of its storage medium.</p>
<p>I will say that woody waste streams, including responsibly harvesting good old kindling, could be better exploited.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is from a piece that NPR did on biofuels a couple of days ago...


&quot;If you were to take every gram of crops produced anywhere in the world for all purposes — and that includes every grape, every ton of wheat, every ton of soybeans and corn — and you were to use that for biofuels and essentially stop eating, those crops would produce about 14 percent of world energy,&quot; says Timothy Searchinger, an associate research scholar at Princeton University.

G. Philip Robertson and colleagues at Michigan State University&#039;s Kellogg Biological Station have been looking at plants that don&#039;t require farm fields.

&quot;First, we discovered that the grasses and flowers that take over fields once you stop farming produce a fair amount of biomass, especially if you provide them a little bit of fertilizer,&quot; Robertson says.

Robertson and his colleagues surveyed the Midwest acre by acre and identified 27 million acres of marginal farmland where these plants could grow, and where the acreage falls into a compact enough area that someone might want to build a refinery to produce biofuels.

They figured that it would become too expensive to transport this heavy and bulky plant material more than 50 miles, from field to refinery.

&quot;At the end of the day, we discovered we could produce enough biomass to supply 30 or so of these potential biorefineries,&quot; Robertson says.

The 27 million acres identified in the latest study would provide less than 0.5 percent of (US) national energy demand, 

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/16/169538570/could-some-midwest-land-support-new-biofuel-refineries]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from a piece that NPR did on biofuels a couple of days ago&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you were to take every gram of crops produced anywhere in the world for all purposes — and that includes every grape, every ton of wheat, every ton of soybeans and corn — and you were to use that for biofuels and essentially stop eating, those crops would produce about 14 percent of world energy,&#8221; says Timothy Searchinger, an associate research scholar at Princeton University.</p>
<p>G. Philip Robertson and colleagues at Michigan State University&#8217;s Kellogg Biological Station have been looking at plants that don&#8217;t require farm fields.</p>
<p>&#8220;First, we discovered that the grasses and flowers that take over fields once you stop farming produce a fair amount of biomass, especially if you provide them a little bit of fertilizer,&#8221; Robertson says.</p>
<p>Robertson and his colleagues surveyed the Midwest acre by acre and identified 27 million acres of marginal farmland where these plants could grow, and where the acreage falls into a compact enough area that someone might want to build a refinery to produce biofuels.</p>
<p>They figured that it would become too expensive to transport this heavy and bulky plant material more than 50 miles, from field to refinery.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the end of the day, we discovered we could produce enough biomass to supply 30 or so of these potential biorefineries,&#8221; Robertson says.</p>
<p>The 27 million acres identified in the latest study would provide less than 0.5 percent of (US) national energy demand, </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;if 100% of the planet’s electricity was generated by solar farms the total land use would only amount to less than 1%&quot;

Obviously few, if any, parts of the world would go 100% solar.  A mix of inputs lowers the cost of storage.  Solar might end up contributing 25% to 40% of the total supply.


We could put that amount of solar on rooftops, over parking lots and landfills and shade parts of highways where drivers encounter stop and go traffic.  We probably need to use zero farmland for solar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if 100% of the planet’s electricity was generated by solar farms the total land use would only amount to less than 1%&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously few, if any, parts of the world would go 100% solar.  A mix of inputs lowers the cost of storage.  Solar might end up contributing 25% to 40% of the total supply.</p>
<p>We could put that amount of solar on rooftops, over parking lots and landfills and shade parts of highways where drivers encounter stop and go traffic.  We probably need to use zero farmland for solar.</p>
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