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	<title>Comments on: New Way To Create Electricity Out Of Sunlight Discovered, A Solar Energy Funnel</title>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/28/new-way-to-create-electricity-out-of-sunlight-discovered-a-solar-energy-funnel/#comment-142663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[even some large CSP projects are being converted to PV: http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/22/new-pv-technology-for-world%E2%80%99s-largest-csp-plant-in-mojave/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even some large CSP projects are being converted to PV: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/22/new-pv-technology-for-world%E2%80%99s-largest-csp-plant-in-mojave/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/22/new-pv-technology-for-world%E2%80%99s-largest-csp-plant-in-mojave/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past solar towers had to compete with other solar thermal designs and they had the drawback of needing to be very large to hope be cost effective which means they had a drawback when it came to attracting money.  A proposed one in Australia couldn&#039;t get out of planning because of the reasonable fear that its cost would escalate, something that is extremely common for large new projects.  Nowadays all forms of large scale solar thermal have been hurt by the huge drop in solar PV prices.  In places like Australia and Germany no form of grid only electricity can now compete with point of use solar PV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past solar towers had to compete with other solar thermal designs and they had the drawback of needing to be very large to hope be cost effective which means they had a drawback when it came to attracting money.  A proposed one in Australia couldn&#8217;t get out of planning because of the reasonable fear that its cost would escalate, something that is extremely common for large new projects.  Nowadays all forms of large scale solar thermal have been hurt by the huge drop in solar PV prices.  In places like Australia and Germany no form of grid only electricity can now compete with point of use solar PV.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to guess that most people who have cranked through the numbers didn&#039;t find the idea so hot.  Now that someone is building one we should have some real world numbers which can be used to determine if solar chimneys make sense.


Seems to me that there is an awful lot of structure being built to run one or two turbines.  There are likely many places to get cheaper electricity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to guess that most people who have cranked through the numbers didn&#8217;t find the idea so hot.  Now that someone is building one we should have some real world numbers which can be used to determine if solar chimneys make sense.</p>
<p>Seems to me that there is an awful lot of structure being built to run one or two turbines.  There are likely many places to get cheaper electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Progress gotta love it. However good solid ideas are sometimes overlooked in the rush forward.

How is it that the world has almost completely ignored the most promising solar tech of all (IMO), Solar Updraft Towers, AKA Solar Chimneys. A 200MW plant of this type is being built in Arizona. It is unique among solar power plants in that it also generates some electricity at night, at a reduced rate of course. Base loads anyone?

Solar Chimneys are a combination of well known, tried and true technologies and are far more reliable than PV or CSP. With the added advantage that they scale *economically* from 50KW (the test plant, 30 years ago in Spain) to 400MW. The operation is simple enough, a large greenhouse collection area collects sunlight, which warms the air beneath it. The warm air is funneled to the center where a turbine or turbines are situated at the base of a large chimney. The height of the chimney keeps the warm air from diffusing too quickly, harnessing its buoyancy to provide power. Basically a combination of greenhouses, wind turbines, and we already know how to make chimneys and large cooling towers. Making a hollow chimney is much easier than building an inhabited sky scraper, the chimney doesn&#039;t have to hold up anything besides itself. 

As for the nighttime power, the sunlight also warms the ground under the greenhouse during the day. At night the ground warms the air and the process goes on at a reduced rate.

Even better, using 2/3rds or more of the collection area for orchards or other agricultural uses will produce far more income than the electricity by itself. Almost any crop, year round, frost free. In larger plants, the inner 1/3 is too hot to grow anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progress gotta love it. However good solid ideas are sometimes overlooked in the rush forward.</p>
<p>How is it that the world has almost completely ignored the most promising solar tech of all (IMO), Solar Updraft Towers, AKA Solar Chimneys. A 200MW plant of this type is being built in Arizona. It is unique among solar power plants in that it also generates some electricity at night, at a reduced rate of course. Base loads anyone?</p>
<p>Solar Chimneys are a combination of well known, tried and true technologies and are far more reliable than PV or CSP. With the added advantage that they scale *economically* from 50KW (the test plant, 30 years ago in Spain) to 400MW. The operation is simple enough, a large greenhouse collection area collects sunlight, which warms the air beneath it. The warm air is funneled to the center where a turbine or turbines are situated at the base of a large chimney. The height of the chimney keeps the warm air from diffusing too quickly, harnessing its buoyancy to provide power. Basically a combination of greenhouses, wind turbines, and we already know how to make chimneys and large cooling towers. Making a hollow chimney is much easier than building an inhabited sky scraper, the chimney doesn&#8217;t have to hold up anything besides itself. </p>
<p>As for the nighttime power, the sunlight also warms the ground under the greenhouse during the day. At night the ground warms the air and the process goes on at a reduced rate.</p>
<p>Even better, using 2/3rds or more of the collection area for orchards or other agricultural uses will produce far more income than the electricity by itself. Almost any crop, year round, frost free. In larger plants, the inner 1/3 is too hot to grow anything.</p>
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		<title>By: JMin2020</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JMin2020]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This actually compete ditectly with the Caimbridge Rainbow full spectrum seperation and conversion technology. Different technique ; but same objective. Full Spectrum Conversion. This one can deliver from what I read in the origional article cited from MIT. Cambridge has not developed the actual conversion at all seperations of rhe spectrum as yet. This MIT Tech has achieved this conversion at al levels of spectrum seperation with respect to the visible light spectrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually compete ditectly with the Caimbridge Rainbow full spectrum seperation and conversion technology. Different technique ; but same objective. Full Spectrum Conversion. This one can deliver from what I read in the origional article cited from MIT. Cambridge has not developed the actual conversion at all seperations of rhe spectrum as yet. This MIT Tech has achieved this conversion at al levels of spectrum seperation with respect to the visible light spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, quite an interesting development. Curious if it can get out of the lab.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, quite an interesting development. Curious if it can get out of the lab.</p>
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		<title>By: sola</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds extremely promising, although it looks like a completely new class of solar PV technology, so current production equipment may not be re-usable at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds extremely promising, although it looks like a completely new class of solar PV technology, so current production equipment may not be re-usable at all.</p>
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