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	<title>Comments on: Cost Of Solar Systems In US Continues To Decline</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-157272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most people do &quot;grid-tied&quot; solar.  They put panels on their roof (or in their back yard) and when the Sun is shining they send their extra electricity to the grid for others to use.  When the Sun isn&#039;t shining they take back the electricity they need.  

A few people do &quot;off-grid&quot; solar.  They install batteries to store their extra sunny hour power and then use it when the Sun isn&#039;t shining.

Off-grid is more expensive than grid-tied and generally isn&#039;t worth the extra cost unless you live at least a quarter mile from the grid and going off grid would let you avoid connection costs.

Electricity is electricity.  If it&#039;s the right voltage and frequency (about 120 volts AC and 60 cycles (Hertz) in the US) and you&#039;ve got enough of it you can run whatever you want to run.  I&#039;m off the grid and run a full woodworking shop in addition to all the normal household stuff with solar.  During the winter I have to use a generator some days when there isn&#039;t enough sunshine.

Determining the size of your solar system needs - 

Start with figuring out your daily average electricity usage.  Use your statements to find out how much you use.  (And this would be a great time to think about how you might lower your use.)

Then look up your average daily solar hours.  Find your place on this map - http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html

Let&#039;s say you live in Louisiana or Nebraska which are Zone 4.  You average 4.5 solar hours per day over the entire year.  

Then take your average daily usage, say 30 kWh, and divide by your  average solar hours.  30 kWh divided by 4.5 solar hours means you would need about 7,000 watts (7 kW) of panels to produce as much electricity as you use a year.



(Another good time to figure out ways to cut your electricity usage.  The less you use, the fewer panels you need to buy.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people do &#8220;grid-tied&#8221; solar.  They put panels on their roof (or in their back yard) and when the Sun is shining they send their extra electricity to the grid for others to use.  When the Sun isn&#8217;t shining they take back the electricity they need.  </p>
<p>A few people do &#8220;off-grid&#8221; solar.  They install batteries to store their extra sunny hour power and then use it when the Sun isn&#8217;t shining.</p>
<p>Off-grid is more expensive than grid-tied and generally isn&#8217;t worth the extra cost unless you live at least a quarter mile from the grid and going off grid would let you avoid connection costs.</p>
<p>Electricity is electricity.  If it&#8217;s the right voltage and frequency (about 120 volts AC and 60 cycles (Hertz) in the US) and you&#8217;ve got enough of it you can run whatever you want to run.  I&#8217;m off the grid and run a full woodworking shop in addition to all the normal household stuff with solar.  During the winter I have to use a generator some days when there isn&#8217;t enough sunshine.</p>
<p>Determining the size of your solar system needs &#8211; </p>
<p>Start with figuring out your daily average electricity usage.  Use your statements to find out how much you use.  (And this would be a great time to think about how you might lower your use.)</p>
<p>Then look up your average daily solar hours.  Find your place on this map &#8211; <a href="http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you live in Louisiana or Nebraska which are Zone 4.  You average 4.5 solar hours per day over the entire year.  </p>
<p>Then take your average daily usage, say 30 kWh, and divide by your  average solar hours.  30 kWh divided by 4.5 solar hours means you would need about 7,000 watts (7 kW) of panels to produce as much electricity as you use a year.</p>
<p>(Another good time to figure out ways to cut your electricity usage.  The less you use, the fewer panels you need to buy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Olakunle Folayan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-157233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olakunle Folayan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not very savvy on the whole solar system installation so pardon my naivity. Is this a backup to the traditional electricity or can it fully replace it? Also, like the traditional electricity companies, is there a monthly subscription involved or once you pay for the sytem/installation, you are free of any further obligations. Finally, is this just for electricity or would it take care of other things around the house powered by electricity i.e. TV, electric circuits so you can plug your iron in and iron etc. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not very savvy on the whole solar system installation so pardon my naivity. Is this a backup to the traditional electricity or can it fully replace it? Also, like the traditional electricity companies, is there a monthly subscription involved or once you pay for the sytem/installation, you are free of any further obligations. Finally, is this just for electricity or would it take care of other things around the house powered by electricity i.e. TV, electric circuits so you can plug your iron in and iron etc. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha, i know! :D Need some charts! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, i know! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /> Need some charts! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah.  It was about $3.20 a watt in April and then I read a more recent report about a month ago that said the price was around $3.  Unfortunately, unlike Germany, people don&#039;t make nice graphs of the cost of solar in Australia that are easy to find on the internet, so I&#039;m afraid I haven&#039;t been able to find a timeline for you.  Sorry.  I would guess the price is below $3 a watt at the moment, but I don&#039;t actually know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  It was about $3.20 a watt in April and then I read a more recent report about a month ago that said the price was around $3.  Unfortunately, unlike Germany, people don&#8217;t make nice graphs of the cost of solar in Australia that are easy to find on the internet, so I&#8217;m afraid I haven&#8217;t been able to find a timeline for you.  Sorry.  I would guess the price is below $3 a watt at the moment, but I don&#8217;t actually know.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NJ is special. :D

Want to get a post up on that, but need up to date state installation numbers. Stan, know where those are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJ is special. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Want to get a post up on that, but need up to date state installation numbers. Stan, know where those are?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you recall when it was at this rate in Australia (or have a good timeline to share)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you recall when it was at this rate in Australia (or have a good timeline to share)?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[14% isn&#039;t as bad as you think.  A drop from 5€/W in 2006 to 1.7€/W 2012  would take an average of 16.5% price decrease.


A 14% drop over the same time frame would have produced 2€/W.


I&#039;m willing to bet that our rate increases.  Others have already shown what is possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14% isn&#8217;t as bad as you think.  A drop from 5€/W in 2006 to 1.7€/W 2012  would take an average of 16.5% price decrease.</p>
<p>A 14% drop over the same time frame would have produced 2€/W.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to bet that our rate increases.  Others have already shown what is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Stan Stein will do the same!  What a great pair of guys!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Stan Stein will do the same!  What a great pair of guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Rei Miyasaka</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rei Miyasaka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So solar in the EU went down from 5€/W in 2006 to 1.7€/W in 2012; meanwhile we&#039;re cheering about 14%/yr decreases.

Worse, the incentives are already fading.

We can do better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So solar in the EU went down from 5€/W in 2006 to 1.7€/W in 2012; meanwhile we&#8217;re cheering about 14%/yr decreases.</p>
<p>Worse, the incentives are already fading.</p>
<p>We can do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see Sam Stein will install solar at Australian style prices for you.  Good on you, Sam!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Sam Stein will install solar at Australian style prices for you.  Good on you, Sam!</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Stein</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Stein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in the Pa, Nj area....my company will provide a full retail installation @ $3.25 per watt within 50 miles over 10kw, $3.35, for smaller systems, and just a slight surcharge, depending on the distance, when over 50 miles...for fuel, lodging if too far to drive home for the next day&#039;s work, etc. so maybe $100 to $500 or so.
ftp@aol.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the Pa, Nj area&#8230;.my company will provide a full retail installation @ $3.25 per watt within 50 miles over 10kw, $3.35, for smaller systems, and just a slight surcharge, depending on the distance, when over 50 miles&#8230;for fuel, lodging if too far to drive home for the next day&#8217;s work, etc. so maybe $100 to $500 or so.<br />
<a href="mailto:ftp@aol.com">ftp@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/27/cost-of-solar-systems-in-us-continues-to-decline/#comment-142280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch!  Installed solar is about $3 a watt in Australia and that&#039;s before our Renewable Energy Certificates lower the price further.  The good news is that US installation costs are where Australian was not long ago and so it shouldn&#039;t take the US long to catch up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!  Installed solar is about $3 a watt in Australia and that&#8217;s before our Renewable Energy Certificates lower the price further.  The good news is that US installation costs are where Australian was not long ago and so it shouldn&#8217;t take the US long to catch up.</p>
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