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	<title>Comments on: Al Gore On Climate Policy, Renewable Energy, Natural Gas, &amp; More (100% Agree)</title>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FiTs seem to have worked very well in Germany to quickly bring down the price of installed solar.  By artificially creating excess profit a lot of new players can be brought to the game.  Once in, competition seems to drive price down.

That said, solar and wind prices in the US are falling fairly rapidly, solar quite rapidly.  It&#039;s not clear that we need any heroic aid to mature these technologies.

Probably where we need to concentrate our money is on transmission, grid improvement and overall efficiency.

And make sure that storage research/development has all the money that needs.  Storage is the missing part for completing the new grid puzzle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FiTs seem to have worked very well in Germany to quickly bring down the price of installed solar.  By artificially creating excess profit a lot of new players can be brought to the game.  Once in, competition seems to drive price down.</p>
<p>That said, solar and wind prices in the US are falling fairly rapidly, solar quite rapidly.  It&#8217;s not clear that we need any heroic aid to mature these technologies.</p>
<p>Probably where we need to concentrate our money is on transmission, grid improvement and overall efficiency.</p>
<p>And make sure that storage research/development has all the money that needs.  Storage is the missing part for completing the new grid puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Morgan Williams</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Morgan Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feed in Tariffs rely on the govt. to set the price signal, and there is no incentive to continue lowering the cost.  Each support structure (FIT, cap and trade,  carbon tax,  subsidies, etc. )has advantages and disadvantages, which economists have been examining for decades.   Carbon tax is far and away the best policy, whether it&#039;s revenue neutral or not.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feed in Tariffs rely on the govt. to set the price signal, and there is no incentive to continue lowering the cost.  Each support structure (FIT, cap and trade,  carbon tax,  subsidies, etc. )has advantages and disadvantages, which economists have been examining for decades.   Carbon tax is far and away the best policy, whether it&#8217;s revenue neutral or not.  </p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over a year of intense investigation by guys who would love nothing more than to prove that and nothing came out of it, nothing. Seriously, drop the antiquated talking points that never were true and still aren&#039;t today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over a year of intense investigation by guys who would love nothing more than to prove that and nothing came out of it, nothing. Seriously, drop the antiquated talking points that never were true and still aren&#8217;t today.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wind is the cheapest option for new electricity in many (if not most) places now. To ignore that is not intelligent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind is the cheapest option for new electricity in many (if not most) places now. To ignore that is not intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have an important submissin with NYSERDA, the state agency, and find the reptition of official propagandato be irritating and insulting. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an important submissin with NYSERDA, the state agency, and find the reptition of official propagandato be irritating and insulting. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t tell me what I believe.  Make a case for your position and see if stands up to scrutiny.

That&#039;s what I believe in doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t tell me what I believe.  Make a case for your position and see if stands up to scrutiny.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I believe in doing.</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You support handing out tax payer money like candy and I do not]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You support handing out tax payer money like candy and I do not</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeezes-squeezus

Now you&#039;re going to drag out that old, worn out highly-bogus Republican Solyndra stuff?

How about something fresh like Travelgate?  Or maybe how Ike had a mistress? 
Did you know that Grant drank a lot?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezes-squeezus</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re going to drag out that old, worn out highly-bogus Republican Solyndra stuff?</p>
<p>How about something fresh like Travelgate?  Or maybe how Ike had a mistress?<br />
Did you know that Grant drank a lot?</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes they approve Solyndras, ignoring the math, because they have agendas that ignore the economics because they can and want to.  Not a good use of public money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes they approve Solyndras, ignoring the math, because they have agendas that ignore the economics because they can and want to.  Not a good use of public money.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neil, I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re trying to argue.

Yes, towers cost money.  So do dams, feedstock, and turbines.

Take a look at what is happening.  Over the last ten years wind has grown from a 0.03%  share to 3.5% share of our generation.  Most of that growth has been in the last five years.

During those ten years hydro has grown from 6.9% to 7.6%.

The people making the decision of what to build can do math.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re trying to argue.</p>
<p>Yes, towers cost money.  So do dams, feedstock, and turbines.</p>
<p>Take a look at what is happening.  Over the last ten years wind has grown from a 0.03%  share to 3.5% share of our generation.  Most of that growth has been in the last five years.</p>
<p>During those ten years hydro has grown from 6.9% to 7.6%.</p>
<p>The people making the decision of what to build can do math.</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wind mill towers are an extra edpense and spreading them over a large area increases costs.  Reducing labor costs for making towers and you make energy cheaper.  No tower in a waterwheel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind mill towers are an extra edpense and spreading them over a large area increases costs.  Reducing labor costs for making towers and you make energy cheaper.  No tower in a waterwheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, the wind blows far more than 1/3rd of the time in good wind locations. Wind farms connected over a couple hundred miles produce significant output at least 85% of the time.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/aj07_jamc.pdf

You are misunderstanding output/realized capacity and you don&#039;t even have that number correct.   Median output capacity is just over 40% and best site capacity exceeds 50%.  Better siting and improved technology keeps pushing output higher.

http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/

Water does not flow 24/365 in all locations.  I&#039;ve lived close to large dams in both the east and west and there are times at which there is not enough water behind the dam to let it run.

In order to harvest energy from falling water it is necessary to build infrastructure of some sort - dams or feedstock - and install turbines. That costs money.  When the math is done hydro is not cheap enough.  If it were then we would see a lot more hydro coming on line.  A lot of existing dams would be converted to generation.  And realize, the dams are already built.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the wind blows far more than 1/3rd of the time in good wind locations. Wind farms connected over a couple hundred miles produce significant output at least 85% of the time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/aj07_jamc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/aj07_jamc.pdf</a></p>
<p>You are misunderstanding output/realized capacity and you don&#8217;t even have that number correct.   Median output capacity is just over 40% and best site capacity exceeds 50%.  Better siting and improved technology keeps pushing output higher.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/" rel="nofollow">http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/</a></p>
<p>Water does not flow 24/365 in all locations.  I&#8217;ve lived close to large dams in both the east and west and there are times at which there is not enough water behind the dam to let it run.</p>
<p>In order to harvest energy from falling water it is necessary to build infrastructure of some sort &#8211; dams or feedstock &#8211; and install turbines. That costs money.  When the math is done hydro is not cheap enough.  If it were then we would see a lot more hydro coming on line.  A lot of existing dams would be converted to generation.  And realize, the dams are already built.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I am a true believer in the scientific method.  So you shouldn&#039;t be surprised if I side with the facts.

What do you believe in?  Magic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am a true believer in the scientific method.  So you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised if I side with the facts.</p>
<p>What do you believe in?  Magic?</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wind blows 1/3 of time.  Water flows 24 7 365, is 865 times heavier than equal volume of air and wheels can be scaled up.   No need for a tall tower.  Edison preferred waterwheels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind blows 1/3 of time.  Water flows 24 7 365, is 865 times heavier than equal volume of air and wheels can be scaled up.   No need for a tall tower.  Edison preferred waterwheels.</p>
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		<title>By: ronwagn</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-142004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronwagn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What  a typical true believer retort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What  a typical true believer retort.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-141969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;His argument is all based on the assumption that man is responsible for global warming, or able to greatly affect it. There is no real proof of that. &quot;

Right. And the Earth is flat.  That orange thing gliding across the sky each day is Apollo in his golden chariot.  And Fox News can be counted on to deliver facts....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His argument is all based on the assumption that man is responsible for global warming, or able to greatly affect it. There is no real proof of that. &#8221;</p>
<p>Right. And the Earth is flat.  That orange thing gliding across the sky each day is Apollo in his golden chariot.  And Fox News can be counted on to deliver facts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ronwagn</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-141968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronwagn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His argument is all based on the assumption that man is responsible for global warming, or able to greatly affect it. There is no real proof of that. What has helped most is using natural gas to replace coal. That has reduce the USA CO2 emissions. Meanwhile Europe is burning more coal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His argument is all based on the assumption that man is responsible for global warming, or able to greatly affect it. There is no real proof of that. What has helped most is using natural gas to replace coal. That has reduce the USA CO2 emissions. Meanwhile Europe is burning more coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-141958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but various forms of hydro are more than 90% cheaper than wind or solar ever will be&quot;

This is simply incorrect.  The median LCOE price for onshore wind is currently $0.05/kWh.  The lowest price is $0.04/kWh.    That number does not include subsidies.  The price of wind is expected to drop to $0.04/kWh median and $0.03/kWh over the next 20 years.

The current median LCOE price of hydro is $0.04/kWh and the lowest price is $0.02/kWh.  The expected price of new hydro is around $0.06/kWh.

The price of unsubsidized PV solar is expected to drop below $0.10/kWh this decade.

http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/



Hydrogen is not a source of energy,  it is a way to store energy.  And it&#039;s not likely to be our least expensive way to store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but various forms of hydro are more than 90% cheaper than wind or solar ever will be&#8221;</p>
<p>This is simply incorrect.  The median LCOE price for onshore wind is currently $0.05/kWh.  The lowest price is $0.04/kWh.    That number does not include subsidies.  The price of wind is expected to drop to $0.04/kWh median and $0.03/kWh over the next 20 years.</p>
<p>The current median LCOE price of hydro is $0.04/kWh and the lowest price is $0.02/kWh.  The expected price of new hydro is around $0.06/kWh.</p>
<p>The price of unsubsidized PV solar is expected to drop below $0.10/kWh this decade.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/" rel="nofollow">http://en.openei.org/apps/TCDB/</a></p>
<p>Hydrogen is not a source of energy,  it is a way to store energy.  And it&#8217;s not likely to be our least expensive way to store.</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-141942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please check out my pursuit of this on Twitter, @neillevine3, and Facebook, neil.levine.9, to see where I am comiing from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please check out my pursuit of this on Twitter, @neillevine3, and Facebook, neil.levine.9, to see where I am comiing from.</p>
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		<title>By: neillevine</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/11/21/al-gore-on-climate-policy-renewable-energy-natural-gas-more-i-100-agree/#comment-141941</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neillevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dishonesty from Washington and the practice of playing to everyone makes it hard to explain, but various forms of hydro are more than 90% cheaper than wind or solar ever will be. Plus potential of hydrogen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dishonesty from Washington and the practice of playing to everyone makes it hard to explain, but various forms of hydro are more than 90% cheaper than wind or solar ever will be. Plus potential of hydrogen.</p>
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