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		<title>By: DeeBee</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-141675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeeBee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ambri = NGK nope - high-temp batteries are not inherently unsafe. NGK&#039;s technology could use an update? I agree. Ambri&#039;s technology is nowhere near a thermal runaway case, please re-evaluate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambri = NGK nope &#8211; high-temp batteries are not inherently unsafe. NGK&#8217;s technology could use an update? I agree. Ambri&#8217;s technology is nowhere near a thermal runaway case, please re-evaluate.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-139999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That figure is such complete bull that I don&#039;t know if i should laugh or cry at this comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That figure is such complete bull that I don&#8217;t know if i should laugh or cry at this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Badger</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-139700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Badger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Versus what, Obama&#039;s 90 billion blown on solar vaporware?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Versus what, Obama&#8217;s 90 billion blown on solar vaporware?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcacci Communications</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-139105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcacci Communications]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] trailer, but the Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) could be the next step in community-scale energy storage. At full capacity, the nanotech polymer lithium ion battery can supply the electricity demand of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] trailer, but the Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) could be the next step in community-scale energy storage. At full capacity, the nanotech polymer lithium ion battery can supply the electricity demand of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-138359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No disagreement there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disagreement there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-138278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You talking about Romney again with his 44% failure rate at Bain and his many failures to win elections?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talking about Romney again with his 44% failure rate at Bain and his many failures to win elections?</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-138273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Failure is what we have, wake up]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failure is what we have, wake up</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-138191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?


We&#039;re not going to install massive high temperature storage in people&#039;s backyards.  That sort of activity goes on in areas zoned for industrial use.


Aquion has a very good product for small grid storage.


Eos is not fuel cell.  Read again.


The government constantly chooses winners and loosers.  Every research application funded.  Every purchase contract signed.


You certainly don&#039;t expect the free market to do the heavy lifting of funding emerging technology do you?  That&#039;s a route to national failure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not going to install massive high temperature storage in people&#8217;s backyards.  That sort of activity goes on in areas zoned for industrial use.</p>
<p>Aquion has a very good product for small grid storage.</p>
<p>Eos is not fuel cell.  Read again.</p>
<p>The government constantly chooses winners and loosers.  Every research application funded.  Every purchase contract signed.</p>
<p>You certainly don&#8217;t expect the free market to do the heavy lifting of funding emerging technology do you?  That&#8217;s a route to national failure.</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-138136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for making my point Bob. $1.3B and thats all you can come up with? A123 and Ener1 had factories, so what. We need profitable businesses with compelling value propositions that can sustain themselves, like companies in the real world. 

Ambri = NGK = High temp risk = Not in my backyard 
Aquion = seriously? Low voltage and energy density = poor solution
EOS = Fuel Cell = Bifunctional electrodes don&#039;t last and have poor efficiency
I think you meant Envia? See my previous post on Japan, Korea and China.
IBM = see previous post on electrodes

My first post made a point, we need transparency and limitations on the funding process. Government&#039;s role should be a bridge between innovators and industry by providing high risk funding, not building factory&#039;s and financing. Your list would have included hundreds of great startups!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for making my point Bob. $1.3B and thats all you can come up with? A123 and Ener1 had factories, so what. We need profitable businesses with compelling value propositions that can sustain themselves, like companies in the real world. </p>
<p>Ambri = NGK = High temp risk = Not in my backyard<br />
Aquion = seriously? Low voltage and energy density = poor solution<br />
EOS = Fuel Cell = Bifunctional electrodes don&#8217;t last and have poor efficiency<br />
I think you meant Envia? See my previous post on Japan, Korea and China.<br />
IBM = see previous post on electrodes</p>
<p>My first post made a point, we need transparency and limitations on the funding process. Government&#8217;s role should be a bridge between innovators and industry by providing high risk funding, not building factory&#8217;s and financing. Your list would have included hundreds of great startups!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-137959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ambri - liquid metal
Aquion - sodium-ion
Eos - zinc-air
Envira - high capacity lithium-ion
IBM - lithium-air

These are all very promising battery companies/technologies.  Look them up. A couple should be manufacturing in the next few months, factories are being finalized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambri &#8211; liquid metal<br />
Aquion &#8211; sodium-ion<br />
Eos &#8211; zinc-air<br />
Envira &#8211; high capacity lithium-ion<br />
IBM &#8211; lithium-air</p>
<p>These are all very promising battery companies/technologies.  Look them up. A couple should be manufacturing in the next few months, factories are being finalized.</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-137955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch. Please supply any proof to back up your insightful reply]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Please supply any proof to back up your insightful reply</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-137938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only read a couple of sentences of your massive paragraph rant.


I&#039;ll answer your first question  - Is this money translating into advances?


Yes.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only read a couple of sentences of your massive paragraph rant.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll answer your first question  &#8211; Is this money translating into advances?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/17/battery-energy-storage-boosted-us-government/#comment-137917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The additional piece of information needed: is this money translating into advances in the technologies? I think most of us like the idea of money being well spent on advancing the &quot;state of the art&quot; and solving the &quot;big storage problem&quot;. Why these departments spent so much on Lithium Ion technologies or lead acid is a mystery and not well thought out. Japan, Korea and China all lead by years in producing and researching Lithium Ion batteries, that battle is lost. Just look at the A123 story! The truth is government shouldn&#039;t be choosing winners and losers. Don&#039;t listen to me, just look at the results. I reviewed the &quot;DOE storage program peer review&quot; results from last month and found no significant advancements at all! Look for yourself. The management of DOE, DOD, NASA, etc aren&#039;t paid/rewarded on success or failure, as they should be. We need a more open and transparent model to direct funding to researchers with good ideas. Put the proposals out in front of everyone to &quot;see and comment&quot; on by using the web, not by reviewers that are rewarding buddies/sponsors. Limit the amount of funding to $5M so that we get 263 obligations instead of this measly 39. Make the process more like the VC model where you can pitch your story to these federal departments, they have some standard financing documents and things move quickly and efficiently. This kind of approach will lead to real breakthroughs and advancement, maybe even create a new industry that we lead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The additional piece of information needed: is this money translating into advances in the technologies? I think most of us like the idea of money being well spent on advancing the &#8220;state of the art&#8221; and solving the &#8220;big storage problem&#8221;. Why these departments spent so much on Lithium Ion technologies or lead acid is a mystery and not well thought out. Japan, Korea and China all lead by years in producing and researching Lithium Ion batteries, that battle is lost. Just look at the A123 story! The truth is government shouldn&#8217;t be choosing winners and losers. Don&#8217;t listen to me, just look at the results. I reviewed the &#8220;DOE storage program peer review&#8221; results from last month and found no significant advancements at all! Look for yourself. The management of DOE, DOD, NASA, etc aren&#8217;t paid/rewarded on success or failure, as they should be. We need a more open and transparent model to direct funding to researchers with good ideas. Put the proposals out in front of everyone to &#8220;see and comment&#8221; on by using the web, not by reviewers that are rewarding buddies/sponsors. Limit the amount of funding to $5M so that we get 263 obligations instead of this measly 39. Make the process more like the VC model where you can pitch your story to these federal departments, they have some standard financing documents and things move quickly and efficiently. This kind of approach will lead to real breakthroughs and advancement, maybe even create a new industry that we lead.</p>
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