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		<title>By: SmartPowerGeneration</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-139292</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The profitability problem, quite simply, is a reason of net load variability (see: 
    http://j.mp/RZU0Vc): &quot;When 10%, 20% or more of the energy provided to meet load comes from renewable energy, the pattern changes, and dispatchable resources (such as thermal power plants) no longer serve the load, they serve the net load. Net load is the system load minus the energy supplied by renewables, sometimes referred to as the residual load. Wind and solar 
provide energy according to wind and solar incidence patterns -- the pattern in net load is more erratic and cyclic in nature and less predictable. In other words, the variability in net load is much greater than that of the system load. Consequently, dispatchable resources must undergo a greater amount of cycling, starts and stops, and reduced capacity factors.&quot;

Coal and nuclear, i.e., the traditional forms of base load power generation, have relatively high capital expenditure, but low operating expenditure. Thus, they need to sell a lot of electricity (at a profit) to recoup the original investment. With the increasing share of renewables, wholesale prices are, on the average, lower and more volatile. Thus, nuclear and coal are in trouble, as they&#039;re not flexible enough to accommodate their output in response to price fluctuations (shutting down and starting up a nuclear plant takes a week).

On what&#039;s being done about this: the UK government is, according to reports, negotiating a &quot;contract for difference&quot; with EDF, effectively guaranteeing a given price for electricity if they build new nuclear in the UK (see: 
    http://bit.ly/RZH12t). Similarly, in Germany, the government has drafted a law that would give additional money to utilities while preventing them from closing down certain gas-fired power plants deemed critical for system stability (see: 
    http://bit.ly/P7sZyC). If this seems odd, it&#039;s because in Germany the price situation between coal and gas is the exact opposite of the US: gas is expensive, and coal power is very cheap now that the price of emission permits is in the tank.


Best regards, 

Kimi Arima
Wärtsilä Power Plants
www.smartpowergeneration.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The profitability problem, quite simply, is a reason of net load variability (see:<br />
    <a href="http://j.mp/RZU0Vc" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/RZU0Vc</a>): &#8220;When 10%, 20% or more of the energy provided to meet load comes from renewable energy, the pattern changes, and dispatchable resources (such as thermal power plants) no longer serve the load, they serve the net load. Net load is the system load minus the energy supplied by renewables, sometimes referred to as the residual load. Wind and solar<br />
provide energy according to wind and solar incidence patterns &#8212; the pattern in net load is more erratic and cyclic in nature and less predictable. In other words, the variability in net load is much greater than that of the system load. Consequently, dispatchable resources must undergo a greater amount of cycling, starts and stops, and reduced capacity factors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coal and nuclear, i.e., the traditional forms of base load power generation, have relatively high capital expenditure, but low operating expenditure. Thus, they need to sell a lot of electricity (at a profit) to recoup the original investment. With the increasing share of renewables, wholesale prices are, on the average, lower and more volatile. Thus, nuclear and coal are in trouble, as they&#8217;re not flexible enough to accommodate their output in response to price fluctuations (shutting down and starting up a nuclear plant takes a week).</p>
<p>On what&#8217;s being done about this: the UK government is, according to reports, negotiating a &#8220;contract for difference&#8221; with EDF, effectively guaranteeing a given price for electricity if they build new nuclear in the UK (see:<br />
    <a href="http://bit.ly/RZH12t" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/RZH12t</a>). Similarly, in Germany, the government has drafted a law that would give additional money to utilities while preventing them from closing down certain gas-fired power plants deemed critical for system stability (see:<br />
    <a href="http://bit.ly/P7sZyC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/P7sZyC</a>). If this seems odd, it&#8217;s because in Germany the price situation between coal and gas is the exact opposite of the US: gas is expensive, and coal power is very cheap now that the price of emission permits is in the tank.</p>
<p>Best regards, </p>
<p>Kimi Arima<br />
Wärtsilä Power Plants<br />
<a href="http://www.smartpowergeneration.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartpowergeneration.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-139260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The market will change them.  There a great article on the NY Times about how cheap wind and gas are causing nuclear and coal plants to fail.  Solar is eating into their profitability as well.

&quot;According to an internal industry document from the Electric Utility Cost Group, for the period 2008 to 2010, maintenance and fuel costs for the one-fourth of the reactor fleet with the highest costs averaged $51.42 per megawatt hour.  

That is perilously close to wholesale electricity costs these days.

Bruce E. Biewald, the chief executive of Synapse Energy Economics, a consulting firm in Cambridge, Mass., compared the nuclear plants to old coal plants now facing big capital expenses. The cost of new pollution control equipment has coal companies “writing off hundreds of millions of dollars right and left,” he said. Much the same is now true for nuclear plants. “An asset that might have been worth a couple of billion dollars is now basically worthless,” he said. And with average costs approximating average revenue, some reactors face higher-than-average costs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/business/energy-environment/economics-forcing-some-nuclear-plants-into-retirement.html?_r=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market will change them.  There a great article on the NY Times about how cheap wind and gas are causing nuclear and coal plants to fail.  Solar is eating into their profitability as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to an internal industry document from the Electric Utility Cost Group, for the period 2008 to 2010, maintenance and fuel costs for the one-fourth of the reactor fleet with the highest costs averaged $51.42 per megawatt hour.  </p>
<p>That is perilously close to wholesale electricity costs these days.</p>
<p>Bruce E. Biewald, the chief executive of Synapse Energy Economics, a consulting firm in Cambridge, Mass., compared the nuclear plants to old coal plants now facing big capital expenses. The cost of new pollution control equipment has coal companies “writing off hundreds of millions of dollars right and left,” he said. Much the same is now true for nuclear plants. “An asset that might have been worth a couple of billion dollars is now basically worthless,” he said. And with average costs approximating average revenue, some reactors face higher-than-average costs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/business/energy-environment/economics-forcing-some-nuclear-plants-into-retirement.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/business/energy-environment/economics-forcing-some-nuclear-plants-into-retirement.html?_r=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: LangReynolds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-139258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LangReynolds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The utility market is obviously not structured correctly for high renewable penetration - what can be done to change them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The utility market is obviously not structured correctly for high renewable penetration &#8211; what can be done to change them?</p>
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		<title>By: SmartPowerGeneration</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SmartPowerGeneration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Russell, 

I agree, energy efficiency is also a big part of the solution, especially in the US where energy consumption is twice that of Western Europe. 

On the gas capacity: there&#039;s a lot of it as is, yes, but it&#039;s the wrong kind of capacity. The capacity we have was designed for base load operation, i.e., running on full for 8,000+ hours per year - not ramping up and down continuously in order to compensate for wind and solar output. That&#039;s a whole another ball game, and one of the main implications of this kind of operation is that the 60+% efficiencies touted for combined cycle plants turn into 40% or less. And that&#039;s not good in terms of total system efficiency. 

Best regards, 
Kimi Arima
Wärtsilä Power Plants
www.smartpowergeneration.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Russell, </p>
<p>I agree, energy efficiency is also a big part of the solution, especially in the US where energy consumption is twice that of Western Europe. </p>
<p>On the gas capacity: there&#8217;s a lot of it as is, yes, but it&#8217;s the wrong kind of capacity. The capacity we have was designed for base load operation, i.e., running on full for 8,000+ hours per year &#8211; not ramping up and down continuously in order to compensate for wind and solar output. That&#8217;s a whole another ball game, and one of the main implications of this kind of operation is that the 60+% efficiencies touted for combined cycle plants turn into 40% or less. And that&#8217;s not good in terms of total system efficiency. </p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kimi Arima<br />
Wärtsilä Power Plants<br />
<a href="http://www.smartpowergeneration.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartpowergeneration.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: SmartPowerGeneration</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SmartPowerGeneration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, 

thank you for the comments. I agree with your view that it&#039;s possible to dramatically reduce the use of coal plants. Just bear in mind that the 96% reduction in use might only see, say, an 85% reduction in emissions, as coal plants and their pollution prevention systems are designed to operate optimally on stable full load operation. But that&#039;s still a good amount.

I am also with you on the energy storage issue, in the long run that is the only way to go (at least in view of currently available technologies). However, the power generation industry is notorious for its inertia, described accurately by the saying &quot;in the power business, a quarter is 25 years&quot;. The first commercial wind plants were installed in the early 1980s. Solar cells were invented in the 1950s. I suspect my ten year timeline is, if anything, optimistic. 

Best regards, 
Kimi Arima
Wärtsilä Power Plants
www.smartpowergeneration.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, </p>
<p>thank you for the comments. I agree with your view that it&#8217;s possible to dramatically reduce the use of coal plants. Just bear in mind that the 96% reduction in use might only see, say, an 85% reduction in emissions, as coal plants and their pollution prevention systems are designed to operate optimally on stable full load operation. But that&#8217;s still a good amount.</p>
<p>I am also with you on the energy storage issue, in the long run that is the only way to go (at least in view of currently available technologies). However, the power generation industry is notorious for its inertia, described accurately by the saying &#8220;in the power business, a quarter is 25 years&#8221;. The first commercial wind plants were installed in the early 1980s. Solar cells were invented in the 1950s. I suspect my ten year timeline is, if anything, optimistic. </p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kimi Arima<br />
Wärtsilä Power Plants<br />
<a href="http://www.smartpowergeneration.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartpowergeneration.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nelson</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nelson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The editing of this article is wretched. Two consecutive sections (

&quot;Negative prices aren’t a very big issue&quot;, and &quot;Exelon still faces challenges&quot; are nearly identical. Being green doesn&#039;t make up for sloppiness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The editing of this article is wretched. Two consecutive sections (</p>
<p>&#8220;Negative prices aren’t a very big issue&#8221;, and &#8220;Exelon still faces challenges&#8221; are nearly identical. Being green doesn&#8217;t make up for sloppiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a lot of wind capacity here in South Australia and so I am getting an 8.1% reduction in what I pay per kilowatt-hour for grid electricity next year.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a lot of wind capacity here in South Australia and so I am getting an 8.1% reduction in what I pay per kilowatt-hour for grid electricity next year.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natural gas generation - I suspect there is a distribution problem.  Could we get enough gas-electricity to a coal intensive state such as Kentucky?  


I question your wind and solar prices.  The LCOE of wind is now about $0.05/kWh.  PG&amp;E just signed at purchase contract for solar at $0.104/kWh.


End user solar has reached retail parity for large parts of the US.  If we get only a modest amount of rooftop solar we&#039;ll see the general price of grid electricity drop.  Rooftop will replace a lot of very expensive peak generation.


We&#039;re in the natural gas trap.  For the most part the decision of how we generate electricity is made by people who don&#039;t put a value on CO2 emission or on pollution past the point of what they might be required to mitigate.  Natural gas is cheap and &quot;bottom line is all that counts&quot; utility decision makers are going for gas.


We&#039;ve got two promising utility scale battery technologies going into production in the next few months and Ambri&#039;s liquid metal battery could provide very cheap storage. I think we&#039;re stuck with natural gas until we get cheap storage.  (Or the general public gets concerned about climate change enough to  require a price on carbon.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural gas generation &#8211; I suspect there is a distribution problem.  Could we get enough gas-electricity to a coal intensive state such as Kentucky?  </p>
<p>I question your wind and solar prices.  The LCOE of wind is now about $0.05/kWh.  PG&amp;E just signed at purchase contract for solar at $0.104/kWh.</p>
<p>End user solar has reached retail parity for large parts of the US.  If we get only a modest amount of rooftop solar we&#8217;ll see the general price of grid electricity drop.  Rooftop will replace a lot of very expensive peak generation.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the natural gas trap.  For the most part the decision of how we generate electricity is made by people who don&#8217;t put a value on CO2 emission or on pollution past the point of what they might be required to mitigate.  Natural gas is cheap and &#8220;bottom line is all that counts&#8221; utility decision makers are going for gas.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got two promising utility scale battery technologies going into production in the next few months and Ambri&#8217;s liquid metal battery could provide very cheap storage. I think we&#8217;re stuck with natural gas until we get cheap storage.  (Or the general public gets concerned about climate change enough to  require a price on carbon.)</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Kerr</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since some of these imbalances appear to be somewhat localized it occurs to me that for society as a whole we should also be looking at the distribution system (grid). Since it&#039;s in need of repair anyway now would be a good time to upgrade to have our grid match our (at least my) new &quot;smart meters&quot;. These are mostly technical problems until someones money toes get stepped on. Corporate problem quickly turns into a political problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since some of these imbalances appear to be somewhat localized it occurs to me that for society as a whole we should also be looking at the distribution system (grid). Since it&#8217;s in need of repair anyway now would be a good time to upgrade to have our grid match our (at least my) new &#8220;smart meters&#8221;. These are mostly technical problems until someones money toes get stepped on. Corporate problem quickly turns into a political problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell J. Lowes</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell J. Lowes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[   We already have more natural gas capacity than we have of coal capacity in the U.S. No additional plant capacity is needed.    
   The real solution here is to ramp up energy efficiency (EE) investment and blend that with wind and solar increases. With EE being 3 cents per kilowatt-hour saved (negating the need for generation), and new solar now at 18 cents or so, with new wind at 13, delivered price, if these are blended in a ratio of 60% EE to 40% renewable solar and wind, then the average price can be below 10 cents. This would be below the national average for electricity prices. 
   All the while, we can ramp down our fossil fuel and nuclear capacity, as we bring in energy storage technologies. 
   By the way, we have been making major gains in energy storage. University of Arizona has an ice production energy storage technology, where they build up ice reserves when electricity use is lower and then release the coolness to the majority of the campus through tunnels connecting their buildings. 
   Let&#039;s not get into the natural gas trap. Over 52% of our natgas is now fracked (hydraulic fracturing to extract gas from rock/earth). Natgas is more and more unsustainable and destructive to our environment as fracking goes up.  
   We are well on our way toward more sustainable electricity production with EE, solar, wind and energy storage. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>   We already have more natural gas capacity than we have of coal capacity in the U.S. No additional plant capacity is needed.<br />
   The real solution here is to ramp up energy efficiency (EE) investment and blend that with wind and solar increases. With EE being 3 cents per kilowatt-hour saved (negating the need for generation), and new solar now at 18 cents or so, with new wind at 13, delivered price, if these are blended in a ratio of 60% EE to 40% renewable solar and wind, then the average price can be below 10 cents. This would be below the national average for electricity prices.<br />
   All the while, we can ramp down our fossil fuel and nuclear capacity, as we bring in energy storage technologies.<br />
   By the way, we have been making major gains in energy storage. University of Arizona has an ice production energy storage technology, where they build up ice reserves when electricity use is lower and then release the coolness to the majority of the campus through tunnels connecting their buildings.<br />
   Let&#8217;s not get into the natural gas trap. Over 52% of our natgas is now fracked (hydraulic fracturing to extract gas from rock/earth). Natgas is more and more unsustainable and destructive to our environment as fracking goes up.<br />
   We are well on our way toward more sustainable electricity production with EE, solar, wind and energy storage. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be quite happy to see us pay coal plants go into &quot;mothball&quot; state for the vast majority of the year.  Bring them back on line for the roughly two weeks a year that the grid is really stressed for supply.


That would take those coal plants off line fifty weeks, 96%, of the time.  Think how much CO2 we would avoid.  How much less mercury.  How fewer health problems.


Yes, we do need some gas as fill-in for wind and solar until we start bringing more storage on line.  But your ten year time line is very likely much too long.  We&#039;ve got multiple promising battery storage technologies and two going into manufacturing at the moment.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be quite happy to see us pay coal plants go into &#8220;mothball&#8221; state for the vast majority of the year.  Bring them back on line for the roughly two weeks a year that the grid is really stressed for supply.</p>
<p>That would take those coal plants off line fifty weeks, 96%, of the time.  Think how much CO2 we would avoid.  How much less mercury.  How fewer health problems.</p>
<p>Yes, we do need some gas as fill-in for wind and solar until we start bringing more storage on line.  But your ten year time line is very likely much too long.  We&#8217;ve got multiple promising battery storage technologies and two going into manufacturing at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartPowerGeneration</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/12/wind-power-lowers-electricity-prices-and-how/#comment-137045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SmartPowerGeneration]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post, a thorough explanation on the effects of the merit order effect, especially the negative pricing and why that happens. Good stuff.

Of course, I want my electricity to be as cheap as possible. But I also don&#039;t want the situation to end up like in Germany, where the government is implementing a (tax-funded) payment to utilities so that they won&#039;t shut down some of their older plants. Because of wind, these plants get very few running hours, so are bleeding money, but the system still needs them from a security of supply point of view. 

The main character in this story is not Exelon or the wind companies, it&#039;s the power system as a whole. Renewables are the answer in the long run, but for some time still, fast flexible gas fired capacity will be needed to balance the fluctuations in wind and solar output. Yes, in 10 years we might have a breakthrough in energy storage technologies, but we&#039;re not there yet, and if we want to do something about CO2 today, then it&#039;s wind and gas, and these two sides should recognize the fact and work together.

Once again, good post, keep it coming.

Best regards, 
Kimi Arima
Wärtsilä Power Plants
www.smartpowergeneration.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, a thorough explanation on the effects of the merit order effect, especially the negative pricing and why that happens. Good stuff.</p>
<p>Of course, I want my electricity to be as cheap as possible. But I also don&#8217;t want the situation to end up like in Germany, where the government is implementing a (tax-funded) payment to utilities so that they won&#8217;t shut down some of their older plants. Because of wind, these plants get very few running hours, so are bleeding money, but the system still needs them from a security of supply point of view. </p>
<p>The main character in this story is not Exelon or the wind companies, it&#8217;s the power system as a whole. Renewables are the answer in the long run, but for some time still, fast flexible gas fired capacity will be needed to balance the fluctuations in wind and solar output. Yes, in 10 years we might have a breakthrough in energy storage technologies, but we&#8217;re not there yet, and if we want to do something about CO2 today, then it&#8217;s wind and gas, and these two sides should recognize the fact and work together.</p>
<p>Once again, good post, keep it coming.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kimi Arima<br />
Wärtsilä Power Plants<br />
<a href="http://www.smartpowergeneration.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartpowergeneration.com</a></p>
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