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	<title>Comments on: German Grid Reaches Record Reliability in 2011 Thanks to Renewables</title>
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		<title>By: Chart: German wholesale electricty prices down, retail prices up : Renew Economy</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/german-grid-reaches-record-reliability-in-2011-thanks-to-renewables/#comment-132032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chart: German wholesale electricty prices down, retail prices up : Renew Economy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 00:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that we should run across this at almost the same time as it has been revealed that Germany’s electricity grid also saw record reliability in 2011, at the same time as it saw a huge explosion in renewable energy on the grid — completely counter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] that we should run across this at almost the same time as it has been revealed that Germany’s electricity grid also saw record reliability in 2011, at the same time as it saw a huge explosion in renewable energy on the grid — completely counter [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice change of context, Bill.


But since you brought up the 3 minute problem....


We know that the 21st Century grid will require more storage than the 20th Century grid did.  Sounds like it&#039;s time for Germany to start building storage.  Hundreds of thousands of euros would be better spent on storage than on repairs.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice change of context, Bill.</p>
<p>But since you brought up the 3 minute problem&#8230;.</p>
<p>We know that the 21st Century grid will require more storage than the 20th Century grid did.  Sounds like it&#8217;s time for Germany to start building storage.  Hundreds of thousands of euros would be better spent on storage than on repairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill_Woods</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/german-grid-reaches-record-reliability-in-2011-thanks-to-renewables/#comment-132022</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The index does not factor in planned interruptions or interruptions caused natural disasters — it factors only unplanned interruptions that last more than three minutes.&quot;

But interruptions over 3 minutes are only a small part of the problem.

&lt;blockquote&gt; A strong increase in these short term interruptions has lately been criticised by the industry association for energy-intensive companies VIK, which claimed that 90% of all the interruptions affecting the industry were not recorded by BNetzA. &lt;/blockquote&gt; http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=10275


&lt;blockquote&gt; Sudden fluctuations in Germany&#039;s power grid are causing major damage to a number of industrial companies. While many of them have responded by getting their own power generators and regulators to help minimize the risks, they warn that companies might be forced to leave if the government doesn&#039;t deal with the issues fast.
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A survey of members of the Association of German Industrial Energy Companies (VIK) revealed that the number of short interruptions to the German electricity grid has grown by 29 percent in the past three years. Over the same time period, the number of service failures has grown 31 percent, and almost half of those failures have led to production stoppages. Damages have ranged between €10,000 and hundreds of thousands of euros, according to company information.&lt;/blockquote&gt; http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/instability-in-power-grid-comes-at-high-cost-for-german-industry-a-850419.html

A 30% increase isn&#039;t catastrophic, but you can&#039;t claim increased reliability. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The index does not factor in planned interruptions or interruptions caused natural disasters — it factors only unplanned interruptions that last more than three minutes.&#8221;</p>
<p>But interruptions over 3 minutes are only a small part of the problem.</p>
<blockquote><p> A strong increase in these short term interruptions has lately been criticised by the industry association for energy-intensive companies VIK, which claimed that 90% of all the interruptions affecting the industry were not recorded by BNetzA. </p></blockquote>
<p> <a href="http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=10275" rel="nofollow">http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=10275</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Sudden fluctuations in Germany&#8217;s power grid are causing major damage to a number of industrial companies. While many of them have responded by getting their own power generators and regulators to help minimize the risks, they warn that companies might be forced to leave if the government doesn&#8217;t deal with the issues fast.<br />
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A survey of members of the Association of German Industrial Energy Companies (VIK) revealed that the number of short interruptions to the German electricity grid has grown by 29 percent in the past three years. Over the same time period, the number of service failures has grown 31 percent, and almost half of those failures have led to production stoppages. Damages have ranged between €10,000 and hundreds of thousands of euros, according to company information.</p></blockquote>
<p> <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/instability-in-power-grid-comes-at-high-cost-for-german-industry-a-850419.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/instability-in-power-grid-comes-at-high-cost-for-german-industry-a-850419.html</a></p>
<p>A 30% increase isn&#8217;t catastrophic, but you can&#8217;t claim increased reliability. </p>
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		<title>By: Graph: German Wholesale Electricity Prices Down, Retail Prices Up - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/german-grid-reaches-record-reliability-in-2011-thanks-to-renewables/#comment-132009</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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