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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A moderate Republican, at any time in the last 50 years, would have furthered the rights of women and gays?  Would have extended health insurance to all Americans?

No, sorry, I&#039;m not buying your version of a moderate Republican.

Opening up more land for oil and coal extraction.  Does that really mean that the world will extract more oil and coal?  I don&#039;t think so.  The amount extracted will be determined by demand.  Blocking access on US land would have meant taking a political hit without producing any gains.  We get rid of coal and gas mainly by substituting cheaper energy sources. 
Personally I would rather we drill for oil on US soil where the environmental controls are stronger than, say, some under-developed country where the government can be paid to turn a blind eye to spills and other bad practice.

I&#039;m not a starry-eyed fan, I&#039;m someone who tries to be a realist.  Unless a Democrat is in the White House no progressive, left-leaning legislation will be signed into law.  A Democrat in the White House cannot sign legislation into law unless that legislation is first written and passed by Congress.

I&#039;m afraid too many on the left have suffered from too high expectations that they, themselves, set.  We elected PBO but we failed to give him a cooperative Congress.  Even in his first two  years the Democratic caucus majority in the Senate was a filibuster-proof majority for only 96 days and when there were 60 votes some of those were people like the Senator from Louisiana who votes the way big oil wants.

The House passed an climate bill.  Republicans in Congress had the votes to kill it.  The climate bill did not make it to the President&#039;s desk for a signature.

In 2010 we did not turn out an vote in a better Congress, in fact far too many of us showed up to vote in a barely adequate Congress and progress ground to a halt once Republicans gained control of the House.

One cannot blame the carpenter they hired for making slow progress building their new house when they furnish him warped lumber and bent nails.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A moderate Republican, at any time in the last 50 years, would have furthered the rights of women and gays?  Would have extended health insurance to all Americans?</p>
<p>No, sorry, I&#8217;m not buying your version of a moderate Republican.</p>
<p>Opening up more land for oil and coal extraction.  Does that really mean that the world will extract more oil and coal?  I don&#8217;t think so.  The amount extracted will be determined by demand.  Blocking access on US land would have meant taking a political hit without producing any gains.  We get rid of coal and gas mainly by substituting cheaper energy sources.<br />
Personally I would rather we drill for oil on US soil where the environmental controls are stronger than, say, some under-developed country where the government can be paid to turn a blind eye to spills and other bad practice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a starry-eyed fan, I&#8217;m someone who tries to be a realist.  Unless a Democrat is in the White House no progressive, left-leaning legislation will be signed into law.  A Democrat in the White House cannot sign legislation into law unless that legislation is first written and passed by Congress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid too many on the left have suffered from too high expectations that they, themselves, set.  We elected PBO but we failed to give him a cooperative Congress.  Even in his first two  years the Democratic caucus majority in the Senate was a filibuster-proof majority for only 96 days and when there were 60 votes some of those were people like the Senator from Louisiana who votes the way big oil wants.</p>
<p>The House passed an climate bill.  Republicans in Congress had the votes to kill it.  The climate bill did not make it to the President&#8217;s desk for a signature.</p>
<p>In 2010 we did not turn out an vote in a better Congress, in fact far too many of us showed up to vote in a barely adequate Congress and progress ground to a halt once Republicans gained control of the House.</p>
<p>One cannot blame the carpenter they hired for making slow progress building their new house when they furnish him warped lumber and bent nails.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[he&#039;s opened up a tremendous amount of land to coal mining and oil business. he&#039;s let Arctic drilling go fwd. (notably, this is all through Salazar.) 
fine, if he thinks it&#039;s a worthwhile political strategy. personally, i don&#039;t think it is and think it&#039;s a horrible idea. do i give him an F? not at all. but far from an A.

(same sort of thing on numerous issues.)

he&#039;s a moderate, and in another generation, very well might have been a moderate Republican. is that the best way to move us forward in today&#039;s extreme political environment? in some instances, yes. in others, no.

i&#039;ll be voting for him. we&#039;ll have more policy- and politics-related posts in the coming months. much to the chagrin of some readers, unfort. but i&#039;m not a starry-eyed head of the fanclub. wish i felt i should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8217;s opened up a tremendous amount of land to coal mining and oil business. he&#8217;s let Arctic drilling go fwd. (notably, this is all through Salazar.)<br />
fine, if he thinks it&#8217;s a worthwhile political strategy. personally, i don&#8217;t think it is and think it&#8217;s a horrible idea. do i give him an F? not at all. but far from an A.</p>
<p>(same sort of thing on numerous issues.)</p>
<p>he&#8217;s a moderate, and in another generation, very well might have been a moderate Republican. is that the best way to move us forward in today&#8217;s extreme political environment? in some instances, yes. in others, no.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll be voting for him. we&#8217;ll have more policy- and politics-related posts in the coming months. much to the chagrin of some readers, unfort. but i&#8217;m not a starry-eyed head of the fanclub. wish i felt i should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of people on the left are disappointed in PBO&#039;s performance - he didn&#039;t go far enough left for their tastes.

I&#039;ve use this analogy before, but I still like it...

PBO went to where the wagon was stuck in the mud.  He pulled it out, cleaned it off and has started driving it toward the left&#039;s goals.

He did not go to where those goals are located and wait for the wagon to show up on its own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people on the left are disappointed in PBO&#8217;s performance &#8211; he didn&#8217;t go far enough left for their tastes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve use this analogy before, but I still like it&#8230;</p>
<p>PBO went to where the wagon was stuck in the mud.  He pulled it out, cleaned it off and has started driving it toward the left&#8217;s goals.</p>
<p>He did not go to where those goals are located and wait for the wagon to show up on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks, Jeff. very well said.

i genuinely have no hard feelings towards GOP voters who support cleantech and support current Republican leaders -- i&#039;m just completely confused as to how they do so. and, in general, completely confused why anyone other than a super rich white dude would support them... and even if i were one of those, there&#039;d only be one logical reason to do so.

i wish more than anyone that we never had to post a single thing related to politics on here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, Jeff. very well said.</p>
<p>i genuinely have no hard feelings towards GOP voters who support cleantech and support current Republican leaders &#8212; i&#8217;m just completely confused as to how they do so. and, in general, completely confused why anyone other than a super rich white dude would support them&#8230; and even if i were one of those, there&#8217;d only be one logical reason to do so.</p>
<p>i wish more than anyone that we never had to post a single thing related to politics on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m glad you enjoy the science &amp; technology news.

i&#039;m just in shock that a cleantech supporter can not be appalled by the current leaders of the Republican party. Obama is far from a saint for me -- seems like he would have been a Republican just a couple decades ago (many of his policies are of GOP origin).

anyway, i think all of our American writers have independently spoken up about their complete dissatisfaction with GOP leadership, and they have since the beginning of this blog. but i basically just repost stuff when it is based on clear facts, and especially when it dispels myths.

there are long discussions to be had on what intelligent governmental philosophy and policy are. far more than we can cover. but we try to do our bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m glad you enjoy the science &amp; technology news.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m just in shock that a cleantech supporter can not be appalled by the current leaders of the Republican party. Obama is far from a saint for me &#8212; seems like he would have been a Republican just a couple decades ago (many of his policies are of GOP origin).</p>
<p>anyway, i think all of our American writers have independently spoken up about their complete dissatisfaction with GOP leadership, and they have since the beginning of this blog. but i basically just repost stuff when it is based on clear facts, and especially when it dispels myths.</p>
<p>there are long discussions to be had on what intelligent governmental philosophy and policy are. far more than we can cover. but we try to do our bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-133057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only the choir here. And plenty of traffic from Google searches and such.

Plus, even much of the choir doesn&#039;t know many of the points above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only the choir here. And plenty of traffic from Google searches and such.</p>
<p>Plus, even much of the choir doesn&#8217;t know many of the points above.</p>
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		<title>By: T Adkins</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T Adkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are these the same people who tried to help Bush push thru the loan b4 Barry could to take credit for it? But luckily there was a hold up or Bush would be sitting with the so called mess. 
The tech and the numbers were fine it was China doing amazing things with in house investment that no one predicted and the silicon production bottle neck clearing suddenly and dramatically lower the price of silicon after many year of high prices. Solyndra&#039;s loss is a shining example of the solar market making huge improvements in cost, efficiency and supply.

I can say that I agree that both candidates are terrible choices, but the facts are at the time the numbers were great so great the Bush and Obama wanted credit for it. Having no real love for the current administration, there is plenty enough that was done wrong to call the guy out on this isnt one of them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these the same people who tried to help Bush push thru the loan b4 Barry could to take credit for it? But luckily there was a hold up or Bush would be sitting with the so called mess.<br />
The tech and the numbers were fine it was China doing amazing things with in house investment that no one predicted and the silicon production bottle neck clearing suddenly and dramatically lower the price of silicon after many year of high prices. Solyndra&#8217;s loss is a shining example of the solar market making huge improvements in cost, efficiency and supply.</p>
<p>I can say that I agree that both candidates are terrible choices, but the facts are at the time the numbers were great so great the Bush and Obama wanted credit for it. Having no real love for the current administration, there is plenty enough that was done wrong to call the guy out on this isnt one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Groups Protest No More Solyndras Act</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conservative Groups Protest No More Solyndras Act]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not go far enough to choke off federal support for new energy projects that are already in the Department of Energy&#8217;s loan pipeline, enabling the survival of &#8220;a number of the &#8216;zombie&#8217; projects that would be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] not go far enough to choke off federal support for new energy projects that are already in the Department of Energy&#8217;s loan pipeline, enabling the survival of &#8220;a number of the &#8216;zombie&#8217; projects that would be [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Groups Protest No More Solyndras Act</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conservative Groups Protest No More Solyndras Act]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not go far enough to choke off federal support for new energy projects that are already in the Department of Energy&#8217;s loan pipeline, enabling the survival of &#8220;a number of the &#8216;zombie&#8217; projects that would be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] not go far enough to choke off federal support for new energy projects that are already in the Department of Energy&#8217;s loan pipeline, enabling the survival of &#8220;a number of the &#8216;zombie&#8217; projects that would be [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff King</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well you clicked on this article knowing what it was pretty much going to be about. 
The republicans are attacking programs that help fund those innovative technologies you like reading about.
I didn&#039;t see any Obama cheer leading as you call it in this post, its simply an examination of facts that happen to disfavor republicans
If you support green energy or things like what this blogs posts about how in your mind can you vote for republicans, They constantly put down global warming, evolution, and green energies themselves. They target renewable tax credits but want to leave old oil ones in place. 

So please explain to me how as a renewable energy supporter you can support republicans, now i would love for this to be one side wants more wind and the other wants solar or what ever but its not that, its one side wants renewable and the other wants to destroy the industries because they are &quot;liberal scams&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you clicked on this article knowing what it was pretty much going to be about.<br />
The republicans are attacking programs that help fund those innovative technologies you like reading about.<br />
I didn&#8217;t see any Obama cheer leading as you call it in this post, its simply an examination of facts that happen to disfavor republicans<br />
If you support green energy or things like what this blogs posts about how in your mind can you vote for republicans, They constantly put down global warming, evolution, and green energies themselves. They target renewable tax credits but want to leave old oil ones in place. </p>
<p>So please explain to me how as a renewable energy supporter you can support republicans, now i would love for this to be one side wants more wind and the other wants solar or what ever but its not that, its one side wants renewable and the other wants to destroy the industries because they are &#8220;liberal scams&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you only want to hear people spread anti-Obama lies.


Got it.


Speaking of caring about reckless spending, how did you enjoy what happened to the federal debt the last two times Republicans had control of the White House?  You get a warm fuzzy feeling about the way Reagan/Bush I and then Bush II took declining national debt and turned things around, running our debt level up and up and up?


Reckless spending.  That would be something like starting two wars and financing them with public debt, would it not?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you only want to hear people spread anti-Obama lies.</p>
<p>Got it.</p>
<p>Speaking of caring about reckless spending, how did you enjoy what happened to the federal debt the last two times Republicans had control of the White House?  You get a warm fuzzy feeling about the way Reagan/Bush I and then Bush II took declining national debt and turned things around, running our debt level up and up and up?</p>
<p>Reckless spending.  That would be something like starting two wars and financing them with public debt, would it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-132002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m calling BS on your BS Stan.


Furnish proof for your claims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m calling BS on your BS Stan.</p>
<p>Furnish proof for your claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Stein</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-131966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Stein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and BTW....many qualified science savvy told Barry not to believe the so called &quot;technology&quot; .....the average physics student could have figured that one out.....financial advisors also advised him not to do it.......
And please, no bipartisen remarks.....both the candidates SUCK]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and BTW&#8230;.many qualified science savvy told Barry not to believe the so called &#8220;technology&#8221; &#8230;..the average physics student could have figured that one out&#8230;..financial advisors also advised him not to do it&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
And please, no bipartisen remarks&#8230;..both the candidates SUCK</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Stein</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-131965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Stein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again....we are diffusing an issue with rhetoric.....if there would just be a paper trail done on the money......you will so have the wrongdoers fully exposed.....last week, it was announced on the ticker on the bottom of some news shows, that said (quoted loosly from memory) &quot;It is expected that not much of the $582 M (their number) will be accounted for&quot;
Well, of COURSE not.....arms dealers in the black market sector don&#039;t give reciepts.....thanks for helping to fund the middle east uprisings Barry......oh? Rediculous? Show me the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again&#8230;.we are diffusing an issue with rhetoric&#8230;..if there would just be a paper trail done on the money&#8230;&#8230;you will so have the wrongdoers fully exposed&#8230;..last week, it was announced on the ticker on the bottom of some news shows, that said (quoted loosly from memory) &#8220;It is expected that not much of the $582 M (their number) will be accounted for&#8221;<br />
Well, of COURSE not&#8230;..arms dealers in the black market sector don&#8217;t give reciepts&#8230;..thanks for helping to fund the middle east uprisings Barry&#8230;&#8230;oh? Rediculous? Show me the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-131953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not preaching to the choir here. As an electrical engineer, I love reading about  new technology that is transforming the renewable energy landscape.  I enjoy learning about advances in battery technology or solar cell efficiency.  I am weary however of the constant political partisanship.  

We can disagree about whether government programs or private entrepreneurship are leading this revolution.  We may even disagree about whether this huge debt we are accumulating as a nation is going to burden our children for years to come.  But I am not here to listen to your pro-Obama cheer leading.  You are alienating a significant portion of your audience with your constant political ranting. There are fiscal conservatives who care about our planet and about the deficit.  

Of course, this is your blog.  You are free to use it as you please.  There are other blogs out there (Green Car Congress, Biofuels Digest, Renewable Energy News) for those of us who care about the reckless spending that is going on in Washington as much as we do about peak oil or global warming.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not preaching to the choir here. As an electrical engineer, I love reading about  new technology that is transforming the renewable energy landscape.  I enjoy learning about advances in battery technology or solar cell efficiency.  I am weary however of the constant political partisanship.  </p>
<p>We can disagree about whether government programs or private entrepreneurship are leading this revolution.  We may even disagree about whether this huge debt we are accumulating as a nation is going to burden our children for years to come.  But I am not here to listen to your pro-Obama cheer leading.  You are alienating a significant portion of your audience with your constant political ranting. There are fiscal conservatives who care about our planet and about the deficit.  </p>
<p>Of course, this is your blog.  You are free to use it as you please.  There are other blogs out there (Green Car Congress, Biofuels Digest, Renewable Energy News) for those of us who care about the reckless spending that is going on in Washington as much as we do about peak oil or global warming.  </p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/12/5-things-to-know-about-solyndra-in-2012-election-cycle/#comment-131951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are preaching to the choir here. The question is how to get this message into the mainstream media who have swallowed  the republican spin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are preaching to the choir here. The question is how to get this message into the mainstream media who have swallowed  the republican spin</p>
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