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		<title>By: Mitsubishi i Reviews - CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-131787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitsubishi i Reviews - CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had the chance to test drive the Mitsubishi i (an electric vehicle) back in July. He called it a 200-mile date with the car. Another one of our writers, Charis Michelsen, has also received the vehicle for a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] had the chance to test drive the Mitsubishi i (an electric vehicle) back in July. He called it a 200-mile date with the car. Another one of our writers, Charis Michelsen, has also received the vehicle for a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This site - 
http://www.recargo.com/search


I set it to show only CHAdeMO (DC Quick) charge points (click on &quot;all&quot; to get options).  It shows hundreds of quick charge points in the US.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.recargo.com/search" rel="nofollow">http://www.recargo.com/search</a></p>
<p>I set it to show only CHAdeMO (DC Quick) charge points (click on &#8220;all&#8221; to get options).  It shows hundreds of quick charge points in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-130517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the useful comments. Interesting history on which side of the road to drive on. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the useful comments. Interesting history on which side of the road to drive on. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-130516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points, thanks. Love the innovative thoughts at the end -- good ideas for a tech/app startup :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, thanks. Love the innovative thoughts at the end &#8212; good ideas for a tech/app startup <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-130501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the &#039;we&#039; is the US.  I&#039;m not in business of any sort (except as an index fund investor and real estate owner).

Politically motivated?  I don&#039;t see that.  Installing rapid chargers along travel routes is nothing different than how the government supports installing gas stations along new highways.  When I5 (the interstate I discussed) was opened through the Central Valley area of California it ran away from existing towns, there were no places along to fill ones tank. The government subsidized gas stations every 35 miles (I think that was the distance) until business picked up enough to support the new stations. The government also funded rescue trucks which cruised the highway with tanks of gas for drivers who didn&#039;t pay attention to &quot;Next gas availability 35 mile&quot; signs.

Yes, I can see different sweet spots for different countries, even different parts of single countries.  And routine charging infrastructure will have to be installed.  (We had to build gas stations, &#039;back then&#039;.) 
What that infrastructure will look like is fun to speculate about.  If wireless, induction charging pans out then we could see simple &quot;charging bumps&quot; in all sorts of places where people park - home, shopping, work, train station, streetside.  RFID signals from the EV could signal the &#039;bump&#039; to start/stop charging and tell it where to send the bill.  The &#039;bump&#039; could even signal the bobbies when someone not charging has parked in a charge-only spot.

People in the most limited parking parts of cities - the historical towns of France, for example, might need to rely on L3 rapid charging.  Pick up their weekly 150km/whatever as part of their weekly shopping routine.  And then go home to park on the sidewalk....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the &#8216;we&#8217; is the US.  I&#8217;m not in business of any sort (except as an index fund investor and real estate owner).</p>
<p>Politically motivated?  I don&#8217;t see that.  Installing rapid chargers along travel routes is nothing different than how the government supports installing gas stations along new highways.  When I5 (the interstate I discussed) was opened through the Central Valley area of California it ran away from existing towns, there were no places along to fill ones tank. The government subsidized gas stations every 35 miles (I think that was the distance) until business picked up enough to support the new stations. The government also funded rescue trucks which cruised the highway with tanks of gas for drivers who didn&#8217;t pay attention to &#8220;Next gas availability 35 mile&#8221; signs.</p>
<p>Yes, I can see different sweet spots for different countries, even different parts of single countries.  And routine charging infrastructure will have to be installed.  (We had to build gas stations, &#8216;back then&#8217;.)<br />
What that infrastructure will look like is fun to speculate about.  If wireless, induction charging pans out then we could see simple &#8220;charging bumps&#8221; in all sorts of places where people park &#8211; home, shopping, work, train station, streetside.  RFID signals from the EV could signal the &#8216;bump&#8217; to start/stop charging and tell it where to send the bill.  The &#8216;bump&#8217; could even signal the bobbies when someone not charging has parked in a charge-only spot.</p>
<p>People in the most limited parking parts of cities &#8211; the historical towns of France, for example, might need to rely on L3 rapid charging.  Pick up their weekly 150km/whatever as part of their weekly shopping routine.  And then go home to park on the sidewalk&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: martinwinlow</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-130472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martinwinlow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Bob,  By &#039;we&#039; I guess you mean the US not &#039;your charger installation company&#039;?  If it is the former then, yes I had heard about that but it sounds (correct me if I&#039;m wrong) like it is more politically motivated than a serious, properly funded, well-planned system.  If I am wrong, who is behind it and do you have any useful links?  How is Tesla&#039;s HPCN going to fit in?


Your &#039;sweet spot&#039; is a bit high for the UK and, indeed, most of Europe where &#039;long&#039; drives are probably only half as long.  So, 120 miles between high speed charges (30 mins or so) would be all that we would need.


But this is only half the story.  For those in Europe without the ability to charge at home (probably the significant majority), there is a much more widespread, yet lower key - lower cost, infrastructure required.  Just a simple weather-proof socket with GFI and the electricity cost charged at a flat rate included in the &#039;EV&#039; parking ticket, perhaps.  It&#039;s needed at train station car parks, in multi story car parks ideally all car parking spaces, really, but then we are getting more expensive again ie inductive charging and L3 chargers at supermarkets etc.


MW]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,  By &#8216;we&#8217; I guess you mean the US not &#8216;your charger installation company&#8217;?  If it is the former then, yes I had heard about that but it sounds (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) like it is more politically motivated than a serious, properly funded, well-planned system.  If I am wrong, who is behind it and do you have any useful links?  How is Tesla&#8217;s HPCN going to fit in?</p>
<p>Your &#8216;sweet spot&#8217; is a bit high for the UK and, indeed, most of Europe where &#8216;long&#8217; drives are probably only half as long.  So, 120 miles between high speed charges (30 mins or so) would be all that we would need.</p>
<p>But this is only half the story.  For those in Europe without the ability to charge at home (probably the significant majority), there is a much more widespread, yet lower key &#8211; lower cost, infrastructure required.  Just a simple weather-proof socket with GFI and the electricity cost charged at a flat rate included in the &#8216;EV&#8217; parking ticket, perhaps.  It&#8217;s needed at train station car parks, in multi story car parks ideally all car parking spaces, really, but then we are getting more expensive again ie inductive charging and L3 chargers at supermarkets etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-130357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are installing a number of Level 3 rapid chargers along our major travel routes in the US.  Right now part of the system along Interstate 5 is in place.  Within a year or so it should be possible to drive from Canada to Mexico by stopping for rapid charges.


The &#039;sweet spot&#039; for range, IMO, is about 175 miles.  With &lt;20 minute 90% charging (already being done) one could drive almost 500 miles with only two moderate breaks.  Most gas-fueled drivers are going to stop that much for fuel and food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are installing a number of Level 3 rapid chargers along our major travel routes in the US.  Right now part of the system along Interstate 5 is in place.  Within a year or so it should be possible to drive from Canada to Mexico by stopping for rapid charges.</p>
<p>The &#8216;sweet spot&#8217; for range, IMO, is about 175 miles.  With &lt;20 minute 90% charging (already being done) one could drive almost 500 miles with only two moderate breaks.  Most gas-fueled drivers are going to stop that much for fuel and food.</p>
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		<title>By: Taisto Leinonen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taisto Leinonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Martin!
As all houses in Finland, other Nordic countries and Northern Europe are supplied with standardized 230/400 V 3-phase service lines, we have been spared from the dilemma of considering EV car charging problems.
As it appears that changing a voltage system is as impossible as getting the banking sharks under control, one way of modernizing the U.S.A. could be to put up via inverters the European standard voltage system for EV charging and, thus, gradually implement a change in the US system.
Thinking positively, nothing is impossible. Just take the case when the Swedes changed from left-handed traffic to right-handed in 1967: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H . The costs were not immense and the odd Swerdish convention was eliminated from the prospering group of Nordic countries.
(All educated readers of this blog certainly remember that left-handed traffic relates to the ease of right-handed knight riding on the left side of the road and cutting heads off with a sword in the right hand. Unfortunately, Americans are stuck to the Edisonian history instead of following the teachings of Nicola Tesla.)
Wishing all the best to EV and especially to Fisker-Karma that is being manufactured in Finland - and note, the fire problems are not related to Finnish quality of workmanship but instead, to the battery construction,
Taisto Leinonen
Helsinki, Finland]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Martin!<br />
As all houses in Finland, other Nordic countries and Northern Europe are supplied with standardized 230/400 V 3-phase service lines, we have been spared from the dilemma of considering EV car charging problems.<br />
As it appears that changing a voltage system is as impossible as getting the banking sharks under control, one way of modernizing the U.S.A. could be to put up via inverters the European standard voltage system for EV charging and, thus, gradually implement a change in the US system.<br />
Thinking positively, nothing is impossible. Just take the case when the Swedes changed from left-handed traffic to right-handed in 1967: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H</a> . The costs were not immense and the odd Swerdish convention was eliminated from the prospering group of Nordic countries.<br />
(All educated readers of this blog certainly remember that left-handed traffic relates to the ease of right-handed knight riding on the left side of the road and cutting heads off with a sword in the right hand. Unfortunately, Americans are stuck to the Edisonian history instead of following the teachings of Nicola Tesla.)<br />
Wishing all the best to EV and especially to Fisker-Karma that is being manufactured in Finland &#8211; and note, the fire problems are not related to Finnish quality of workmanship but instead, to the battery construction,<br />
Taisto Leinonen<br />
Helsinki, Finland</p>
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		<title>By: Martin WINLOW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin WINLOW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For rapid charging (50kW+ DC), yes, but 3p is usually only found  in business premises.  Fortuantely, this is where you are most likely going to want to install a Level III charger.  Is this not the case in the US?


What is the G&#039;ment doing in the US to install a national grid of L3 chargers?  If it is the same as the UK - ie nothing - then they really need to put up or shut up.  It&#039;s no good banging the EV drum and spending $B&#039;s on incentives to make EVs if there is no support infrastructure to go with it.  Tesla says it is committed to installing such a grid but of its own system - and they are doing the same here in the UK too.  Yet another &#039;standard&#039;.  This really is a complete mess.

Having been a daily EV driver for 3 years or so I don&#039;t really see the difference in general terms between having to take 8 hours to charge or even 2.  If you are on a trip then it needs to be a full charge in less than an hour and range needs to be a good 2 hours worth.  Thus you can drive for 2 hours and rest for one (or less).  This is a practical scenario, certainly for Europe, anyway.  Tesla is currently the only production EV offering this.  The batteries I had in my DIY converted van could take an 80% charge in 20 minutes (LiFePO4).  Why can&#039;t all these production EV&#039;s do the same?
There are alternatives.  You could introduce a Motorail-type system where you load your car on a train (preferably electric) keep it plugged in on the way so it arrives fully charged and climate controlled. Or you could leave your EV at home and hire a car or swap with your friend/neighbour.
It seems a shame that whilst billions will be spent in the US on diesel and petrol extracted from tar sands only to waste fully 80% of it due to the hopelessly inefficient internal combustion engine, ruining vast swathes of Canadian forrest for ever in the process, no money will be found to expand the US train electrification and expansion program, especially high speed ones that could easily compete with fossil-fuel burning jet aircraft and might tempt more people out of their cars for long trips.
Or perhaps we should just bring back airships - but helium filled, 1/2 a mile long, built of composites and powered by a skin of thin film solar PV!
MW]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For rapid charging (50kW+ DC), yes, but 3p is usually only found  in business premises.  Fortuantely, this is where you are most likely going to want to install a Level III charger.  Is this not the case in the US?</p>
<p>What is the G&#8217;ment doing in the US to install a national grid of L3 chargers?  If it is the same as the UK &#8211; ie nothing &#8211; then they really need to put up or shut up.  It&#8217;s no good banging the EV drum and spending $B&#8217;s on incentives to make EVs if there is no support infrastructure to go with it.  Tesla says it is committed to installing such a grid but of its own system &#8211; and they are doing the same here in the UK too.  Yet another &#8216;standard&#8217;.  This really is a complete mess.</p>
<p>Having been a daily EV driver for 3 years or so I don&#8217;t really see the difference in general terms between having to take 8 hours to charge or even 2.  If you are on a trip then it needs to be a full charge in less than an hour and range needs to be a good 2 hours worth.  Thus you can drive for 2 hours and rest for one (or less).  This is a practical scenario, certainly for Europe, anyway.  Tesla is currently the only production EV offering this.  The batteries I had in my DIY converted van could take an 80% charge in 20 minutes (LiFePO4).  Why can&#8217;t all these production EV&#8217;s do the same?<br />
There are alternatives.  You could introduce a Motorail-type system where you load your car on a train (preferably electric) keep it plugged in on the way so it arrives fully charged and climate controlled. Or you could leave your EV at home and hire a car or swap with your friend/neighbour.<br />
It seems a shame that whilst billions will be spent in the US on diesel and petrol extracted from tar sands only to waste fully 80% of it due to the hopelessly inefficient internal combustion engine, ruining vast swathes of Canadian forrest for ever in the process, no money will be found to expand the US train electrification and expansion program, especially high speed ones that could easily compete with fossil-fuel burning jet aircraft and might tempt more people out of their cars for long trips.<br />
Or perhaps we should just bring back airships &#8211; but helium filled, 1/2 a mile long, built of composites and powered by a skin of thin film solar PV!<br />
MW</p>
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		<title>By: Ule Amra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ule Amra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arnett&#039;s comment regarding 30 Amp Level 2 vs. Level 3 charging is interesting.  Ford, of course, makes exactly the opposite point, eschewing CHAdeMO for now (along with GM they&#039;re committed to the not quite ready CCS &quot;standard&quot;).  I think Ford&#039;s likely to have the better end of this argument.  Arnett ignores the fact that CHAdeMO is optional, adding $700 to the price of his car, and CHAdeMO is almost nowhere to be found in the U.S. (the left coast being the notable exception, and even there it&#039;s pretty thin for now).  The pricey Focus Electric, meanwhile, will be able to draw more current from ordinary Level 2 chargers at shopping centers and office parks, picking up twice the additional range in the same parking time as the LEAF or i-MiEV, making it far more effective at &quot;opportunity charging&quot; and so giving it more real-world daily driving range than its rivals as Level 2 charging infrastructure builds out.  I think the jury&#039;s still out on just how widely available Level 3 charging is likely to be, especially given the competing formats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnett&#8217;s comment regarding 30 Amp Level 2 vs. Level 3 charging is interesting.  Ford, of course, makes exactly the opposite point, eschewing CHAdeMO for now (along with GM they&#8217;re committed to the not quite ready CCS &#8220;standard&#8221;).  I think Ford&#8217;s likely to have the better end of this argument.  Arnett ignores the fact that CHAdeMO is optional, adding $700 to the price of his car, and CHAdeMO is almost nowhere to be found in the U.S. (the left coast being the notable exception, and even there it&#8217;s pretty thin for now).  The pricey Focus Electric, meanwhile, will be able to draw more current from ordinary Level 2 chargers at shopping centers and office parks, picking up twice the additional range in the same parking time as the LEAF or i-MiEV, making it far more effective at &#8220;opportunity charging&#8221; and so giving it more real-world daily driving range than its rivals as Level 2 charging infrastructure builds out.  I think the jury&#8217;s still out on just how widely available Level 3 charging is likely to be, especially given the competing formats.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-128426</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Researchers at the University of California, Riverside, who have done an amazing amount of green technology research in recent years, recently announced they’re developing a prototype “eco-routing” navigation system that could, under the right conditions, help drivers of vehicles like the Nissan Leaf increase their daily range by at least 10 percent. The system works by taking into account real-time traffic information, road type and grade, and passenger and cargo weight to help develop a routing algorithm that finds the route requiring the least amount of energy for a trip.&quot;
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/GPS-Prototype-Fights-EV-Range-Anxiety-With-Data/ 

I&#039;m sure that recharging opportunities would be built into the system as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Researchers at the University of California, Riverside, who have done an amazing amount of green technology research in recent years, recently announced they’re developing a prototype “eco-routing” navigation system that could, under the right conditions, help drivers of vehicles like the Nissan Leaf increase their daily range by at least 10 percent. The system works by taking into account real-time traffic information, road type and grade, and passenger and cargo weight to help develop a routing algorithm that finds the route requiring the least amount of energy for a trip.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/GPS-Prototype-Fights-EV-Range-Anxiety-With-Data/ " rel="nofollow">http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/GPS-Prototype-Fights-EV-Range-Anxiety-With-Data/ </a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that recharging opportunities would be built into the system as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ With the greatest respect Bob, I think it may be a mistake to focus on either the car or the charging equipment.  I included that section in the article, where I could easily have left it out, because it first illustrates the Mea Culpa in what has been called &quot;range anxiety&quot; and secondly because it partially suggests what could be done if you EV ride yourself into a seeming corner.  

I wholeheartedly agree that for a 16 kWh battery vehicle a level I charge (120 v) could be adaquate, but a switching portable charger (EVSE) could be better.  The only level II chargers available in my area of NYC were at the many Nissan dealerships.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> With the greatest respect Bob, I think it may be a mistake to focus on either the car or the charging equipment.  I included that section in the article, where I could easily have left it out, because it first illustrates the Mea Culpa in what has been called &#8220;range anxiety&#8221; and secondly because it partially suggests what could be done if you EV ride yourself into a seeming corner.  </p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree that for a 16 kWh battery vehicle a level I charge (120 v) could be adaquate, but a switching portable charger (EVSE) could be better.  The only level II chargers available in my area of NYC were at the many Nissan dealerships.   </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-128399</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A necessity?  Not really.  The average US commute is less than 40 miles RT.  Folks who are using an EV for commuting will be fine with a US standard 120vac outlet.

And US homes have 240vac available.  That&#039;s what we use for electric stoves and clothes dryers.  It&#039;s not expensive to add an outlet for the EV if one is an above average mileage driver.

The range anxiety part of this article will be outdated once we have our system of rapid chargers up and going.  Even a few minutes at a Level 2 would brought our adventurer home w/o sweat stains.

Would more be better?  Isn&#039;t it often?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A necessity?  Not really.  The average US commute is less than 40 miles RT.  Folks who are using an EV for commuting will be fine with a US standard 120vac outlet.</p>
<p>And US homes have 240vac available.  That&#8217;s what we use for electric stoves and clothes dryers.  It&#8217;s not expensive to add an outlet for the EV if one is an above average mileage driver.</p>
<p>The range anxiety part of this article will be outdated once we have our system of rapid chargers up and going.  Even a few minutes at a Level 2 would brought our adventurer home w/o sweat stains.</p>
<p>Would more be better?  Isn&#8217;t it often?</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-128388</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We can even look at the more advanced motors for electric vehicles and see that you are right.  The three phase AC motors are lighter, more efficient and more powerful (and don&#039;t require permanent magnets.)  

A three phase system would also be of some help using the EV as a household UPS through its Level III charging port.  

However there is another argument that says this is what we have.  What is the best we can do with this?  While infrastructure is being built, a portable switching (120 or 240) EVSE.with some agreement on the final plug (Nema L6 -30 twist lock? with associated adaptors) could go a long way to bridging a gap.  Presently this would be considered an aftermarket purchase or a &quot;Hack&quot; of the supplied level I EVSE.  I will have another article to go into more detail on this shortly.  Please come back there.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can even look at the more advanced motors for electric vehicles and see that you are right.  The three phase AC motors are lighter, more efficient and more powerful (and don&#8217;t require permanent magnets.)  </p>
<p>A three phase system would also be of some help using the EV as a household UPS through its Level III charging port.  </p>
<p>However there is another argument that says this is what we have.  What is the best we can do with this?  While infrastructure is being built, a portable switching (120 or 240) EVSE.with some agreement on the final plug (Nema L6 -30 twist lock? with associated adaptors) could go a long way to bridging a gap.  Presently this would be considered an aftermarket purchase or a &#8220;Hack&#8221; of the supplied level I EVSE.  I will have another article to go into more detail on this shortly.  Please come back there.    </p>
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		<title>By: Taisto Leinonen</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/29/a-200-mile-date-with-a-2012-mitsubishi-i-ev/#comment-128367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taisto Leinonen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t it now obvious that the European 230/400 V 3-phase system is a necessity to cope with the electric vehicle invasion in U.S.A?
No visually disturbing pole transformers, half of the copper weight in conductors and smoothly running 3-phase squirrel-cage motors in homes in any power range from 80 W to kilowatts.

It is really awkward that the 3-phase system was invented and patented by Nicola Tesla in the U.S.A but was never adopted for residential use:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power 

Taisto Leinonen, M.Sc.(electronics)
Helsinki, Finland
ex Editor-in-Chief (Electronics News in Finland 1969-1975)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it now obvious that the European 230/400 V 3-phase system is a necessity to cope with the electric vehicle invasion in U.S.A?<br />
No visually disturbing pole transformers, half of the copper weight in conductors and smoothly running 3-phase squirrel-cage motors in homes in any power range from 80 W to kilowatts.</p>
<p>It is really awkward that the 3-phase system was invented and patented by Nicola Tesla in the U.S.A but was never adopted for residential use:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power " rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power </a></p>
<p>Taisto Leinonen, M.Sc.(electronics)<br />
Helsinki, Finland<br />
ex Editor-in-Chief (Electronics News in Finland 1969-1975)</p>
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