Comments on: Awesome Graphs — Today’s Solar & Wind Power Relevance in Germany http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Ross http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-124158 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:52:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-124158 Thomas, could you write about the so called “dash for coal” in Germany and if it is real or just a fantasy of conventional power vested interests? Also are the reports of gas generation coming under pressure from renewables on one side and coal on the other accurate?

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-124129 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-124129 Bryan, I want to see the data on which you base  your claim that global warming has stopped.  

I don’t find any of your claims credible and this should be the easiest for you to support.

Please show us the science.

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-124094 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:32:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-124094 I’m asking because I’ve never met anyone who claimed that global had stopped or was on a decline who knew the answer.  That is, they did not know the most basic facts about climate change and so did not know what they were talking about.

]]> By: ThomasGerke http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-124022 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:31:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-124022 The problem is, that the current government is dominated by idiots… I mean they are dominated by people who believe that increasing energy efficency & decentralized renewable energy capacity is a burden to the economy. 

Eventhough we witnessed incraedible price hikes for fossil fuels this year. 

The debate is currently extremly toxic and dishonest here, as a massive campaign by the fossil/nuclear lobby and their think-alikes rains down on the public and I asume especially on the conservative politicans. 

It’s like a war between conventional energy mythology and renewable energy facts. Due to the situation in Germany, this battle is fought with alot more sophisticated “weapons” so to speak… but they are just as dishonest as the “solar doesn’t work” or “there isn’t enough renewable energy potential” nonsense. 

It’s an exciting time with really aggressive anti-renewable attacks and surprising alliances that arise to defend them. 
In the meantime solar capacity seems to be on track for way more than 5 GW this year… bringing the moment of  baseload-annihilation closer and closer. *muhahaha*

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123961 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:09:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123961 Bryan, can you tell me how much human activity has increased atmospheric CO2 levels by in the past couple of hundred years?  An approximate value is fine.

]]> By: Bryan William Leyland http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123954 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:25:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123954 What it says is that  solar power at about $US2800/kW and wind power at, probably, more than $2000/kW, provide a lot less than installed capacity and the monthly maximum and annual overall capacity factors are truly pathetic.  Solar + wind average 6.5 GWh per month for an installed capacity of 90,000 MW.  At 100 % capacity factor it would generate 66 GWh per month.  So the overall capacity factor is 10%.  Average cost is $2,500/kW.  Nuclear stations costing $22,000/kW would produce power at the same cost – without any allowance for backup capacity and transmission needed for wind and solar. Pushes it up to $25,000/kW at least. They must be seriously crazy!  The fact that global warming has stopped and may be on a decline makes it even crazier.

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123951 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:11:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123951 slowing energy efficiency makes no sense whatsoever… what a diff world we would live in if politicians did their jobs

]]> By: ThomasGerke http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123922 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:20:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123922 Hi Pieter,

indeed Germany has light and shadows…
When it comes to power production the lignite mines & powerplants are a shameful testament of that reality. Recently the current government has even begun to slow energy efficiency measures on the EU level. :( Very sad and pointless. Dunno where they are going, lobbyism at it’s “best” I assume.

It should be noted though, that Germany is a net exporter of electricity (page 8 & 9 of the report). While it’s true that imports of electricity from France & Czech have increased at times, especially at night.  It’s also true that importing & exporting energy has always been a reality. When looking at historic data, only the amount of exported power has increased significantly…
What’s new is the fact that Germany exports huge amounts of peak-load power due to windy and/or sunny days. That’s in a way greening the power supply of many neighbouring country by reducing the power load of midload & peakload coal, gas & oil power stations. 

That said. It’s certainly a long way ahead… but the more solar capacity, the sooner those lignite powerstations will be pushed out of the system… hopefully.

]]> By: Pieter http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123903 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:38:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123903 Altough I applaud the fact that Germany is getting greener (or at least local production is), I think with this type of data it is only fair to mention that Germany is a huge energy (in different forms but one of them being electricity)  importer. This energy comes mainly from not eco-friendly plants or nuclear plants abroad (France).
Next to that it is also worth mentioning that the ‘traditional’ energy production in Germany is very harmfull with mainly coal and natural gas plants supplying the market. This is a step in the right direction but don’t be shortsighted, there is still a lot of work to do!
greetings from your neigbouring country Belgium (which is a total disaster concerning green thinking)

]]> By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123781 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:31:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123781 ha, figured you were at Intersolar too! :D

]]> By: Ross http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123772 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123772 That’s a respectable amount considering the weather.

I’m at the Alcatel-Lucent SRexperts conference. Networking/Internet pays my bills. Greentech is just an interest.

]]> By: jburt56 http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123763 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:22:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123763 Look like wind and solar are complementary in their output profiles.  Grim news for naysayers everywhere!!

]]> By: OshaDavidson http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123750 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:04:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123750  Cool, danke!

]]> By: ThomasGerke http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123748 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:56:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123748 The European Energy Exchange has a transparency website. You can find it at transparency.eex.com. It’s a very nice source, btw the same source the Fraunhofer ISE used. 

Actual production data usually comes in 2-3 hours in delay, but I used the predictions for the 110 GWh number as they seem to be very accurate today. 

]]> By: OshaDavidson http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123745 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:45:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123745  Hi Thomas. Where did you get that 110 GWh figure? I’m curious because I’d like to be able to see data like that in real time.

]]> By: ThomasGerke http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123744 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123744 About 12.2 GW peak output and propably 110 GWh of electricity production. No Record but still about 7-8% of total power consumption.

Are you at the Intersolar trade fair? 

]]> By: Ross http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/12/awesome-graphs-todays-relevance-of-solar-and-wind-power-in-germany/#comment-123740 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=38966#comment-123740 What’s the Solar output in Germany today? I’m curious because I’m in Munich at the moment and it is cloudy & wet.

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