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	<title>Comments on: Climate Change Will Turn Off the Lights: New Study Finds Nuclear and Coal at Risk</title>
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		<title>By: Christian Abel</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-181753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Abel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For once, an article does NOT single out nuclear plant for needing a cold source!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once, an article does NOT single out nuclear plant for needing a cold source!</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123434</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think i like all of what you say :D

but this took the cake]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think i like all of what you say <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>but this took the cake</p>
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		<title>By: Captivation</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captivation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Zachary. Occasional I aspire to saying one clever thing, if only to provide contrast with all the other things I say :)  Its a bit like the stripes on a zebra, camouflage to confuse the opposition :)

By the way, great interview with solar power world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Zachary. Occasional I aspire to saying one clever thing, if only to provide contrast with all the other things I say <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  Its a bit like the stripes on a zebra, camouflage to confuse the opposition <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>By the way, great interview with solar power world.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On OTEC: http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/23/ocean-thermal-energy-conversion/

Another piece by the same author. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On OTEC: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/23/ocean-thermal-energy-conversion/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/23/ocean-thermal-energy-conversion/</a></p>
<p>Another piece by the same author. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Captivation, brilliant points here. Of course, for anyone communicating with such hysterically absurd lovers of a double standard, these contradictions are clear, but you summarize them so succinctly and beautifully here. Well done. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captivation, brilliant points here. Of course, for anyone communicating with such hysterically absurd lovers of a double standard, these contradictions are clear, but you summarize them so succinctly and beautifully here. Well done. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Captivation</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captivation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In typical Denier fashion, your points are contradictory.  If scientists aren&#039;t vocal enough, you interpret this to mean there is no danger.  However, if scientists become too vocal they are labelled as &quot;alarmists&quot;.  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of concern that Deniers can tolerate.

Similarly, you complain there isn&#039;t perfect scientific consensus.  But if too much consensus arrives, it is interpreted as conspiracy.  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of consensus that Deniers can tolerate.

Similarly, you complain that scientists are paid to study the climate but ignore the oil company propagandists who are paid to discredit the science.  If the propagandists could find any scientific evidence that CO2 doesn&#039;t trap heat, don&#039;t you think they would publish it?  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of rationality that Deniers can tolerate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In typical Denier fashion, your points are contradictory.  If scientists aren&#8217;t vocal enough, you interpret this to mean there is no danger.  However, if scientists become too vocal they are labelled as &#8220;alarmists&#8221;.  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of concern that Deniers can tolerate.</p>
<p>Similarly, you complain there isn&#8217;t perfect scientific consensus.  But if too much consensus arrives, it is interpreted as conspiracy.  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of consensus that Deniers can tolerate.</p>
<p>Similarly, you complain that scientists are paid to study the climate but ignore the oil company propagandists who are paid to discredit the science.  If the propagandists could find any scientific evidence that CO2 doesn&#8217;t trap heat, don&#8217;t you think they would publish it?  Thus there seems to be no acceptable level of rationality that Deniers can tolerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Kerr</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like the &quot;butcher&#039;s thumb&quot; this issue adds just more weight to the notion that our electrical energy production system is in need of review. Just as do our political and financial system, though possibly well meaning, ironically all three have turned out to be dangerous to life itself. A change of the largest order is necessary or we will become the cookies that are burnt. To again quote Pogo, &quot;we have met the enemy and they is us&quot;....

Good post, Breath on the Wind...
Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the &#8220;butcher&#8217;s thumb&#8221; this issue adds just more weight to the notion that our electrical energy production system is in need of review. Just as do our political and financial system, though possibly well meaning, ironically all three have turned out to be dangerous to life itself. A change of the largest order is necessary or we will become the cookies that are burnt. To again quote Pogo, &#8220;we have met the enemy and they is us&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good post, Breath on the Wind&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like you have the beginnings for a slogan:  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Thermal Power is UNcool for Climate Generation...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  Thanks for the generous comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you have the beginnings for a slogan:  <em>&#8220;Thermal Power is UNcool for Climate Generation&#8230;&#8221;</em>  Thanks for the generous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an interesting comment Jim. Perhaps you have seen my article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/23/ocean-thermal-energy-conversion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OTEC.&lt;/a&gt; Some EGS geothermal use a similar Organic Rankine Cycle At a &lt;a href=&quot;http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/29/perspectives-on-the-geothermal-energy-association-showcase-in-dc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent Geothermal energy conference&lt;/a&gt; I asked around and didn&#039;t find anyone familiar with the system. This particular conference had more CEO and political leadership than engineers but it suggests that more could be done to advance OTEC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an interesting comment Jim. Perhaps you have seen my article on <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/23/ocean-thermal-energy-conversion/" rel="nofollow">OTEC.</a> Some EGS geothermal use a similar Organic Rankine Cycle At a <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/29/perspectives-on-the-geothermal-energy-association-showcase-in-dc/" rel="nofollow">recent Geothermal energy conference</a> I asked around and didn&#8217;t find anyone familiar with the system. This particular conference had more CEO and political leadership than engineers but it suggests that more could be done to advance OTEC.</p>
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		<title>By: Breath on the Wind</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breath on the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curious, and thanks as I don&#039;t often get a chance to relate how I write an article.  I was attracted to this topic because, as with other articles (click on my name above) it provided a chance to review a technical system.  Here the majority of the article looked at Thermal Power plants, the Rankine Cycle, and Condenser Types which I did from memory because I am very familiar with them in Organic Rankine Cycle systems.  I then added the sites if someone wanted more.  It is a common misconception and somewhat miserly thinking, (similar to &quot;sour grapes&quot;) that proposes, &quot;no one could be familiar with such things because they are unfamiliar to us.&quot;

Your attention to Climate Change is your preoccupation and not mine nor is reflected in this article that simply reports a study and not once mentions CO2, you did.  Neither the original study nor this article comments on the cause of global warming.  You suggest it.  I did bring in the statistics of the study as that is its very essence along with other information you may find interesting should you take the time to read.  But even here you will not find anything that is either copied or pasted.  Rather it is read, digested and woven into this case a technical perspective.  I will add this, even though it is a small subset of people who doubt the existence of anthropogenic global warming, it is a far smaller subset (read fringe element) that believe the world is not warming at all.  You will find that this was a very hot topic of discussion about 3 years ago.  

After reviewing many pictures of cooling towers I was inspired by Joe Vega&#039;s comment on a similar picture as &quot;beautiful and grotesque&quot; which suggested an analogy to how we might view thermal power technology.

The last sentence in this piece foreshadows my next article and will have a hyperlink when that article is published.  You can rest assured that there is nothing here that is fairly characterized as &quot;lazy,&quot; unconsidered or even just a shortcut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious, and thanks as I don&#8217;t often get a chance to relate how I write an article.  I was attracted to this topic because, as with other articles (click on my name above) it provided a chance to review a technical system.  Here the majority of the article looked at Thermal Power plants, the Rankine Cycle, and Condenser Types which I did from memory because I am very familiar with them in Organic Rankine Cycle systems.  I then added the sites if someone wanted more.  It is a common misconception and somewhat miserly thinking, (similar to &#8220;sour grapes&#8221;) that proposes, &#8220;no one could be familiar with such things because they are unfamiliar to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your attention to Climate Change is your preoccupation and not mine nor is reflected in this article that simply reports a study and not once mentions CO2, you did.  Neither the original study nor this article comments on the cause of global warming.  You suggest it.  I did bring in the statistics of the study as that is its very essence along with other information you may find interesting should you take the time to read.  But even here you will not find anything that is either copied or pasted.  Rather it is read, digested and woven into this case a technical perspective.  I will add this, even though it is a small subset of people who doubt the existence of anthropogenic global warming, it is a far smaller subset (read fringe element) that believe the world is not warming at all.  You will find that this was a very hot topic of discussion about 3 years ago.  </p>
<p>After reviewing many pictures of cooling towers I was inspired by Joe Vega&#8217;s comment on a similar picture as &#8220;beautiful and grotesque&#8221; which suggested an analogy to how we might view thermal power technology.</p>
<p>The last sentence in this piece foreshadows my next article and will have a hyperlink when that article is published.  You can rest assured that there is nothing here that is fairly characterized as &#8220;lazy,&#8221; unconsidered or even just a shortcut.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate someone bringing news to a central place.  If the original  was well written why bother with a massive rewrite?

Consensus means &quot;a general agreement&quot;.  It does not mean unanimous agreement.

Within the climate science community there is general agreement that the planet is warming which is changing the climate in multiple ways and that warming comes mainly, if not totally, from human activity.  Furthermore if the warming is allowed to continue life, as we live it, will become extremely difficult or impossible.

The remaining discussion is about &#039;how much&#039; and &#039;how fast&#039;.

If I were being paid to research climate and could find proof that climate change was not happening or could find an easy way to prevent it I would be incredibly happy.  I would take my place with the best known scientists in the history of the world.  I would be one of the richest scientists in the world.  If I wished to continue research I could name my university and never worry about funding again.

Now, since your questions have been answered shouldn&#039;t you be getting off to your Dicks R Us club meeting?  Shame to be dickesh and keep the other dicks waiting....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate someone bringing news to a central place.  If the original  was well written why bother with a massive rewrite?</p>
<p>Consensus means &#8220;a general agreement&#8221;.  It does not mean unanimous agreement.</p>
<p>Within the climate science community there is general agreement that the planet is warming which is changing the climate in multiple ways and that warming comes mainly, if not totally, from human activity.  Furthermore if the warming is allowed to continue life, as we live it, will become extremely difficult or impossible.</p>
<p>The remaining discussion is about &#8216;how much&#8217; and &#8216;how fast&#8217;.</p>
<p>If I were being paid to research climate and could find proof that climate change was not happening or could find an easy way to prevent it I would be incredibly happy.  I would take my place with the best known scientists in the history of the world.  I would be one of the richest scientists in the world.  If I wished to continue research I could name my university and never worry about funding again.</p>
<p>Now, since your questions have been answered shouldn&#8217;t you be getting off to your Dicks R Us club meeting?  Shame to be dickesh and keep the other dicks waiting&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mememine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mememine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More lazy copy and paste journalism. Nice job.

Hey Good news! I looked up consensus and look what I found:
Every single one of the scientists and organizations has their own unique definition of CO2’s effects ranging from nothing to unstoppable warming, so consensus of climate change killing our kids certainly cannot exist. It is impossible. 
And if all the millions in the global scientific community had condemned their own children as well as ours to a CO2 death, wouldn’t they be acting like it was the end of the world right about now?
Would you say climate change isn’t “real” if you were paid to study the effects of it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More lazy copy and paste journalism. Nice job.</p>
<p>Hey Good news! I looked up consensus and look what I found:<br />
Every single one of the scientists and organizations has their own unique definition of CO2’s effects ranging from nothing to unstoppable warming, so consensus of climate change killing our kids certainly cannot exist. It is impossible.<br />
And if all the millions in the global scientific community had condemned their own children as well as ours to a CO2 death, wouldn’t they be acting like it was the end of the world right about now?<br />
Would you say climate change isn’t “real” if you were paid to study the effects of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Baird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of creating entropy producing power we should be converting excess heat accumulating in the oceans to energy by the ocean thermal energy conversion method.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of creating entropy producing power we should be converting excess heat accumulating in the oceans to energy by the ocean thermal energy conversion method.</p>
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		<title>By: Captivation</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/05/climate-change-will-turn-off-the-lights-new-study-finds-nuclear-and-coal-at-risk/#comment-123121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captivation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We knew that Climate Change was uncool in so many ways.  But now we learn that it is thermally uncool too.  To the point where thermal power generation will be deeply impaired.  Thank you Breath on the Wind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We knew that Climate Change was uncool in so many ways.  But now we learn that it is thermally uncool too.  To the point where thermal power generation will be deeply impaired.  Thank you Breath on the Wind.</p>
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