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	<title>Comments on: EU Pulls an €80B Fast One; Natural Gas to be Eligible for Renewable Energy Subsidies</title>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here give a good post. In the current situation we are saw a many location where we can saw a different kind of renewable energy source. This post give a some financial suggestion to develop a various kind of fuel. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here give a good post. In the current situation we are saw a many location where we can saw a different kind of renewable energy source. This post give a some financial suggestion to develop a various kind of fuel. </p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you can shoot them to: zach@importantmedia.org

Thank You :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can shoot them to: <a href="mailto:zach@importantmedia.org">zach@importantmedia.org</a></p>
<p>Thank You <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Medium carbon with a serious problem of methane leaking into the atmosphere.

If leaks can be controlled (and fracking issues solved), NG is a helpful step away from coal.  It installs fairly fast and is dispatchable.

It&#039;s not a solution, but it is better than sticking with coal.  And as more wind and solar comes on line gas turbines will be used less.  Generation methods which have no fuel cost can sell their power for less than methods which have to purchase fuel.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medium carbon with a serious problem of methane leaking into the atmosphere.</p>
<p>If leaks can be controlled (and fracking issues solved), NG is a helpful step away from coal.  It installs fairly fast and is dispatchable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a solution, but it is better than sticking with coal.  And as more wind and solar comes on line gas turbines will be used less.  Generation methods which have no fuel cost can sell their power for less than methods which have to purchase fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill_Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill_Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Medium carbon, not low. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medium carbon, not low. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the fear of the unknown (&quot;arrrgh! frac&#039;cing is going to make me grow another head!&quot;)&quot;

That, and more CO2/methane in the atmosphere is going to cook my butt.

I suspect Europe is going to be less pro-NG than is the US.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the fear of the unknown (&#8220;arrrgh! frac&#8217;cing is going to make me grow another head!&#8221;)&#8221;</p>
<p>That, and more CO2/methane in the atmosphere is going to cook my butt.</p>
<p>I suspect Europe is going to be less pro-NG than is the US.  </p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for positive response. Would it be useful I if were to forward to you links like this from time to time or do you already have a comprehensive monitoring system?

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9311365/Bribe-residents-to-accept-wind-turbines-says-Tim-Yeo-MP.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for positive response. Would it be useful I if were to forward to you links like this from time to time or do you already have a comprehensive monitoring system?</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9311365/Bribe-residents-to-accept-wind-turbines-says-Tim-Yeo-MP.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9311365/Bribe-residents-to-accept-wind-turbines-says-Tim-Yeo-MP.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Akbweb2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akbweb2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All well and good, but should the industry be the beneficiary of billions in clean, renewable energy subsidies??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good, but should the industry be the beneficiary of billions in clean, renewable energy subsidies??</p>
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		<title>By: Ndthwaites</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ndthwaites]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Costs - yes higher (until the rig rates drop as more rigs arrive in Europe).  But natural gas prices are much higher, so it all balances out

Knowhow and Equipment - Equipment easliy imported, know how already here: the North Sea means there is a wealth of expertise in Norway, the UK, Holland and Denmark (Denmark, and not Texas,  is where multi stage hydraulic fracturing of long horizontal wells was invented... the guys in Texas then applied the technique to the Barnet Shale and the Shale Gas revolution started).

Regulations - the North Sea oil industry has worked quite happily under much stricter regulations than the US offshore industry for decades.  And the US government is now (quietly) applying the same kind of regualtions to the US: they&#039;ve already split the production and the safety governance into two (just like the UK and Norway does), expect to see a goal and risk based safety regime soon and independent checks on well designs (just like in Norway and the UK since the late 1980s).  ther eal question for the USA is why did you tolerate higher fatality rates, injury rates and well control incident rates than the Uk, Norway and Brazil for so long?  Why did it take it&#039;s own disaster for the USA to bother about doing anything about it&#039;s piss-poor offshore HSE record? Why not learn from the Norwegian disaster (the Alexander Kjelland) or the UK disaster (the Piper Alpha)?

Europe has a vast network of gas pipelines at high, medium and low pressures, in fact a better network of such pipelines than the US (that&#039;s how gas from Norway, Algeria, Holland the UK and Russia arrives in my house in Spain).  On a country by country basis, some countries don&#039;t have the open access rights (but they tend not to be the countries with high gas demand).

unconventional gas is happening and will happen in Europe- the only barriers are the nature of resource ownership (the state owns it, so what benefit is ther to the local community or landowner?) and the fear of the unknown (&quot;arrrgh! frac&#039;cing is going to make me grow another head!&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Costs &#8211; yes higher (until the rig rates drop as more rigs arrive in Europe).  But natural gas prices are much higher, so it all balances out</p>
<p>Knowhow and Equipment &#8211; Equipment easliy imported, know how already here: the North Sea means there is a wealth of expertise in Norway, the UK, Holland and Denmark (Denmark, and not Texas,  is where multi stage hydraulic fracturing of long horizontal wells was invented&#8230; the guys in Texas then applied the technique to the Barnet Shale and the Shale Gas revolution started).</p>
<p>Regulations &#8211; the North Sea oil industry has worked quite happily under much stricter regulations than the US offshore industry for decades.  And the US government is now (quietly) applying the same kind of regualtions to the US: they&#8217;ve already split the production and the safety governance into two (just like the UK and Norway does), expect to see a goal and risk based safety regime soon and independent checks on well designs (just like in Norway and the UK since the late 1980s).  ther eal question for the USA is why did you tolerate higher fatality rates, injury rates and well control incident rates than the Uk, Norway and Brazil for so long?  Why did it take it&#8217;s own disaster for the USA to bother about doing anything about it&#8217;s piss-poor offshore HSE record? Why not learn from the Norwegian disaster (the Alexander Kjelland) or the UK disaster (the Piper Alpha)?</p>
<p>Europe has a vast network of gas pipelines at high, medium and low pressures, in fact a better network of such pipelines than the US (that&#8217;s how gas from Norway, Algeria, Holland the UK and Russia arrives in my house in Spain).  On a country by country basis, some countries don&#8217;t have the open access rights (but they tend not to be the countries with high gas demand).</p>
<p>unconventional gas is happening and will happen in Europe- the only barriers are the nature of resource ownership (the state owns it, so what benefit is ther to the local community or landowner?) and the fear of the unknown (&#8220;arrrgh! frac&#8217;cing is going to make me grow another head!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/03/eu-pulls-an-e80b-fast-one-natural-gas-to-be-eligible-for-renewable-energy-subsidies/#comment-122997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Answering my own question...

&quot;The old continent has nearly as much technically recoverable shale gas (natural gas trapped in shale formations) as America. Europe’s reserves are 639 trillion cubic feet, compared with America’s 862, according to America’s Energy Information Administration, a government agency. But technically recoverable does not mean economically recoverable, notes Peter Hughes of Ricardo Strategic Consulting.

Costs are higher in Europe, for several reasons. First, European geology is less favourable: its shale deposits tend to be deeper underground and harder to extract.

Second, America has a long history of drilling for oil and gas, which has spawned a huge and competitive oil-services industry bristling with equipment and know-how. Europe has nothing to compare with that. In 2008, at the height of the gas boom in America, 1,600 rigs were in operation. In Europe now there are only 100. America’s more cut-throat market drives costs down. A single gas well in Europe might cost as much as $14m to sink, three-and-a-half times more than an American one, estimates Deutsche Bank.

Third, America’s gas industry faces fewer and friendlier regulations than Europe’s. Call it the Dick Cheney effect. And fourth, in America wildcat drillers, if they strike it rich, enjoy access to a spider’s web of existing pipelines, so they can get their gas to market. Europe has no such network nor open-access rules.&quot;

http://www.economist.com/node/21540256

Costs - costs could be considerably higher and still attractive.

Know-how and equipment - that&#039;s easily imported.  

Regulations - those can be changed.  This article is about government assistance for the NG industry, is it not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering my own question&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The old continent has nearly as much technically recoverable shale gas (natural gas trapped in shale formations) as America. Europe’s reserves are 639 trillion cubic feet, compared with America’s 862, according to America’s Energy Information Administration, a government agency. But technically recoverable does not mean economically recoverable, notes Peter Hughes of Ricardo Strategic Consulting.</p>
<p>Costs are higher in Europe, for several reasons. First, European geology is less favourable: its shale deposits tend to be deeper underground and harder to extract.</p>
<p>Second, America has a long history of drilling for oil and gas, which has spawned a huge and competitive oil-services industry bristling with equipment and know-how. Europe has nothing to compare with that. In 2008, at the height of the gas boom in America, 1,600 rigs were in operation. In Europe now there are only 100. America’s more cut-throat market drives costs down. A single gas well in Europe might cost as much as $14m to sink, three-and-a-half times more than an American one, estimates Deutsche Bank.</p>
<p>Third, America’s gas industry faces fewer and friendlier regulations than Europe’s. Call it the Dick Cheney effect. And fourth, in America wildcat drillers, if they strike it rich, enjoy access to a spider’s web of existing pipelines, so they can get their gas to market. Europe has no such network nor open-access rules.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21540256" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/node/21540256</a></p>
<p>Costs &#8211; costs could be considerably higher and still attractive.</p>
<p>Know-how and equipment &#8211; that&#8217;s easily imported.  </p>
<p>Regulations &#8211; those can be changed.  This article is about government assistance for the NG industry, is it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Europe not have shale gas potential?  The UK apparently thinks it does, enough for its own use and some for export.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Europe not have shale gas potential?  The UK apparently thinks it does, enough for its own use and some for export.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/03/eu-pulls-an-e80b-fast-one-natural-gas-to-be-eligible-for-renewable-energy-subsidies/#comment-122993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[depressing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>depressing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yep, the idea that Nat Gas is clean is ridiculous at this point, which is why i&#039;ve pinned this article to the side of our site: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, the idea that Nat Gas is clean is ridiculous at this point, which is why i&#8217;ve pinned this article to the side of our site: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exactly, and at least a few studies have warned against promoting it as one global warming solution: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/ 
(nevermind the water and other issues related to it as well)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly, and at least a few studies have warned against promoting it as one global warming solution: <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2012/03/02/clean-energy-is-needed-now-climate-scientists-climate-economists-say/</a><br />
(nevermind the water and other issues related to it as well)</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, hate how disqus does that. watch those brackets! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, hate how disqus does that. watch those brackets! <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great comments. Excellent comments.

While I tend to avoid calling out big media for specific failures in energy coverage, I may just start doing so more out of frustration and spurred on by the wonderful points you make here. We don&#039;t have a ton of power, but should use what we can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments. Excellent comments.</p>
<p>While I tend to avoid calling out big media for specific failures in energy coverage, I may just start doing so more out of frustration and spurred on by the wonderful points you make here. We don&#8217;t have a ton of power, but should use what we can.</p>
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		<title>By: sola</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just plain silly to do in Europe. 

Europe is heavily dependent on Russian gas since it doesn&#039;t have NG resources. This stupid behaviour will only increase the expenditure on Russian gas and increases the EU trade deficit towards Russia.

I just cannot imagine how any responsible, non-corrupt European polititian could come to this conclusion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just plain silly to do in Europe. </p>
<p>Europe is heavily dependent on Russian gas since it doesn&#8217;t have NG resources. This stupid behaviour will only increase the expenditure on Russian gas and increases the EU trade deficit towards Russia.</p>
<p>I just cannot imagine how any responsible, non-corrupt European polititian could come to this conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Natural gas may be the &quot;cleanest&quot; of the fossil fuels but it sure as hell is not renewable. Low carbon maybe, by not renewable]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural gas may be the &#8220;cleanest&#8221; of the fossil fuels but it sure as hell is not renewable. Low carbon maybe, by not renewable</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, there was an error in the link due to the closing bracket. here&#039;s the correct one:

http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, there was an error in the link due to the closing bracket. here&#8217;s the correct one:</p>
<p><a href="http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/" rel="nofollow">http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/03/eu-pulls-an-e80b-fast-one-natural-gas-to-be-eligible-for-renewable-energy-subsidies/#comment-122926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In light of the uncertainties regarding the Nabucco pipeline (see: http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/), the idea to develop shale gas is, from a political perspective, understandable.  Western Europe is now pretty dependent on Russian gas, and Putin has shown in the past to use this power to further his political agenda. So if the support was purely focused on that area, I could find some logic in it. Especially if it went hand in hand with aggressive action towards reducing gas consumption. That&#039;s a double edged sword.

However, the broad support that seems to be in the making will only increase gas consumption, thereby negating all the advantages of exploring our own energy sources. Now that is really, really stupid. From an environmental and a political and an economical perspective. 

And finally no word in this article, nor that of the Guardian about the real kicker here: methane leakage. Methane is a 25x more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, and the leakage could easily undo most if not all the benefits of lower CO2 emissions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of the uncertainties regarding the Nabucco pipeline (see: <a href="http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/" rel="nofollow">http://asbarez.com/103386/nabucco-pipeline-might-be-abandoned-by-june/</a>), the idea to develop shale gas is, from a political perspective, understandable.  Western Europe is now pretty dependent on Russian gas, and Putin has shown in the past to use this power to further his political agenda. So if the support was purely focused on that area, I could find some logic in it. Especially if it went hand in hand with aggressive action towards reducing gas consumption. That&#8217;s a double edged sword.</p>
<p>However, the broad support that seems to be in the making will only increase gas consumption, thereby negating all the advantages of exploring our own energy sources. Now that is really, really stupid. From an environmental and a political and an economical perspective. </p>
<p>And finally no word in this article, nor that of the Guardian about the real kicker here: methane leakage. Methane is a 25x more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, and the leakage could easily undo most if not all the benefits of lower CO2 emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: wattleberry</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/03/eu-pulls-an-e80b-fast-one-natural-gas-to-be-eligible-for-renewable-energy-subsidies/#comment-122885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattleberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The trouble is they&#039;re preaching to a receptive audience. It&#039;s well nigh impossible to find an example of politicians, with their constant preoccupation with day to day firefighting and fending off a points-scoring opposition plus, nowadays, a media obsessed with sound-bites at the cost of objective analysis, capable of initiating this themselves. Instead, they invariably opt for the alternative which is likely to appeal to the largely uninformed electorate.
A classic example of the damage which can result from this superficial system is the current financial crisis whereby, even though everybody now agrees it was easy to foresee well in advance from the data available , any expressions of doubt were suppressed, greatly exacerbating the effect when it finally exploded. No doubt the understandable fear of precipitating the panic prematurely became, paradoxically, more persuasive the worse the situation grew. 
Clearly, the same thing is developing with energy and the only measure which can counteract it is to prevent the suppression. Blogs like this are a powerful weapon. However, given the urgency of needing to reverse the effective poisoning of our world by fossil and radioactive fuels, only regularly confronting our politicians and media with stark terror is likely to have sufficient impact, especially as they are too distracted now with financial matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is they&#8217;re preaching to a receptive audience. It&#8217;s well nigh impossible to find an example of politicians, with their constant preoccupation with day to day firefighting and fending off a points-scoring opposition plus, nowadays, a media obsessed with sound-bites at the cost of objective analysis, capable of initiating this themselves. Instead, they invariably opt for the alternative which is likely to appeal to the largely uninformed electorate.<br />
A classic example of the damage which can result from this superficial system is the current financial crisis whereby, even though everybody now agrees it was easy to foresee well in advance from the data available , any expressions of doubt were suppressed, greatly exacerbating the effect when it finally exploded. No doubt the understandable fear of precipitating the panic prematurely became, paradoxically, more persuasive the worse the situation grew.<br />
Clearly, the same thing is developing with energy and the only measure which can counteract it is to prevent the suppression. Blogs like this are a powerful weapon. However, given the urgency of needing to reverse the effective poisoning of our world by fossil and radioactive fuels, only regularly confronting our politicians and media with stark terror is likely to have sufficient impact, especially as they are too distracted now with financial matters.</p>
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