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	<title>Comments on: Climate Bill Idea? Polled GOP Voters OK Carbon Tax Swap</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 10:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, while the exemption of renewables from the BTU tax was attempted, 

&quot;Sense of the Senate that any increases set forth do not assume an energy tax on nonconventional fuels, including solar, geothermal, wind, and biomass-dervived fuels.&quot; (it did exclude hydro, i hadn&#039;t noticed)

it failed

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&amp;session=1&amp;vote=00044

but the attempt (Gore suggested it to Wellstone) was bad enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, while the exemption of renewables from the BTU tax was attempted, </p>
<p>&#8220;Sense of the Senate that any increases set forth do not assume an energy tax on nonconventional fuels, including solar, geothermal, wind, and biomass-dervived fuels.&#8221; (it did exclude hydro, i hadn&#8217;t noticed)</p>
<p>it failed</p>
<p><a href="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&#038;session=1&#038;vote=00044" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&#038;session=1&#038;vote=00044</a></p>
<p>but the attempt (Gore suggested it to Wellstone) was bad enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 10:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re blaming Republican voters.&quot; 

Because Republican voters failed to support Chafee, Smith and Coleman in sufficient numbers against Democrats. 

Specter was going to be primaried because he was insufficiently Republican, and so he threw his lot in with the other side by switching - but other than on clean energy, was insufficiently appealing to Democrats, so he could find no home there.

I agree that Snowe and Collins are unscathed in 55% renewable Maine. &quot;Only Senators Susan Collins and Cynthia Snowe remained unscathed&quot;.

Hopefully as states become more clean powered due to state level Renewable Energy Standards which mandate increasing the percent of clean power, more states will become like Maine where even Republicans routinely accept responsibility for averting climate disaster.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re blaming Republican voters.&#8221; </p>
<p>Because Republican voters failed to support Chafee, Smith and Coleman in sufficient numbers against Democrats. </p>
<p>Specter was going to be primaried because he was insufficiently Republican, and so he threw his lot in with the other side by switching &#8211; but other than on clean energy, was insufficiently appealing to Democrats, so he could find no home there.</p>
<p>I agree that Snowe and Collins are unscathed in 55% renewable Maine. &#8220;Only Senators Susan Collins and Cynthia Snowe remained unscathed&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hopefully as states become more clean powered due to state level Renewable Energy Standards which mandate increasing the percent of clean power, more states will become like Maine where even Republicans routinely accept responsibility for averting climate disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Morris</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Germany did this a decade ago, and Americans should know more about it: http://www.renewablesinternational.net/americans-support-revenue-neutral-carbon-tax/150/537/38394/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany did this a decade ago, and Americans should know more about it: <a href="http://www.renewablesinternational.net/americans-support-revenue-neutral-carbon-tax/150/537/38394/" rel="nofollow">http://www.renewablesinternational.net/americans-support-revenue-neutral-carbon-tax/150/537/38394/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill_Woods</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill_Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Republican voters have been regularly ousting their congress members who’ve ever voted for all of the Democratic clean energy and climate bills for decades till now. Gone are Senators Lincoln Chafee, Gordon Smith, Norman Coleman, Arlen Specter who all previously voted with Democrats on sensible and responsible climate policy proposals. Only Senators Susan Collins and Cynthia Snowe remained unscathed.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re blaming Republican voters. Chafee, Smith, and Coleman were all defeated in general elections by Democrats. Specter switched to the Democratic party and was defeated in a primary. &lt;i&gt;Olympia&lt;/i&gt; Snowe was considered a shoo-in for re-election, but she opted to retire. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Republican voters have been regularly ousting their congress members who’ve ever voted for all of the Democratic clean energy and climate bills for decades till now. Gone are Senators Lincoln Chafee, Gordon Smith, Norman Coleman, Arlen Specter who all previously voted with Democrats on sensible and responsible climate policy proposals. Only Senators Susan Collins and Cynthia Snowe remained unscathed.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re blaming Republican voters. Chafee, Smith, and Coleman were all defeated in general elections by Democrats. Specter switched to the Democratic party and was defeated in a primary. <i>Olympia</i> Snowe was considered a shoo-in for re-election, but she opted to retire. </p>
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		<title>By: F James Handley</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F James Handley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope you are right that R&#039;s could be open to a revenue neutral carbon tax swap.  I was encouraged by that poll myself.

BTW, the BTU tax DID NOT exempt clean energy like hydro.  By taxing clean as well as dirty energy it had little or no climate benefits, and was simply a revenue measure.  

I recommend &quot;The Case for a Carbon Tax&quot; by law professor Shi Ling Hsu.  Terrific research and writing; great case for a tax swap.    

James Handley
Carbon Tax Center
www.carbontax.org  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are right that R&#8217;s could be open to a revenue neutral carbon tax swap.  I was encouraged by that poll myself.</p>
<p>BTW, the BTU tax DID NOT exempt clean energy like hydro.  By taxing clean as well as dirty energy it had little or no climate benefits, and was simply a revenue measure.  </p>
<p>I recommend &#8220;The Case for a Carbon Tax&#8221; by law professor Shi Ling Hsu.  Terrific research and writing; great case for a tax swap.    </p>
<p>James Handley<br />
Carbon Tax Center<br />
<a href="http://www.carbontax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbontax.org</a>  </p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the difference is that the first tax discourages work and the second tax discourages pollution.

great point on the greenhouse gases -- that&#039;s one i have to use!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the difference is that the first tax discourages work and the second tax discourages pollution.</p>
<p>great point on the greenhouse gases &#8212; that&#8217;s one i have to use!!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Kerr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful idea but likely never to see the light of day. Regardless of whether we tax our income or our spending for fossil fuels we will still be paying those taxes. Peter/Paul situation...

As an aside. You state that CO2 is the primary greenhouse gas. I would suggest that CO2 is (sorry for the drug reference) a &quot;gateway&quot; greenhouse gas. While CO2 is responsible for the initial warming of the globe, it will be the Methane that that warming will release that will be the REAL primary greenhouse gas and there will be NO TAX solution to that Pandora&#039;s Box. When this methane box fully opens (it&#039;s a jar now) squabbling over taxes will be the least of our problems.

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful idea but likely never to see the light of day. Regardless of whether we tax our income or our spending for fossil fuels we will still be paying those taxes. Peter/Paul situation&#8230;</p>
<p>As an aside. You state that CO2 is the primary greenhouse gas. I would suggest that CO2 is (sorry for the drug reference) a &#8220;gateway&#8221; greenhouse gas. While CO2 is responsible for the initial warming of the globe, it will be the Methane that that warming will release that will be the REAL primary greenhouse gas and there will be NO TAX solution to that Pandora&#8217;s Box. When this methane box fully opens (it&#8217;s a jar now) squabbling over taxes will be the least of our problems.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[love this as well. would be nice]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love this as well. would be nice</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 10:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, i&#039;m a big fan of the carbon fee &amp; dividend. would be wonderful if we could somehow educate the public and push that thing through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i&#8217;m a big fan of the carbon fee &amp; dividend. would be wonderful if we could somehow educate the public and push that thing through.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/19/climate-bill-idea-polled-gop-voters-ok-carbon-tax-swap/#comment-121478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Kraemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the general concept of a swap can be done different ways. 

A similar cap/dividend idea that was one of many to fail filibuster a few years ago, despite cosponsoring by Republican Susan Collins. 

http://grist.org/article/why-cantwell-collins-is-best-and-how-it-just-might-win/

Also a &quot;feebate&quot; on SUVs/EVs - a fee on gas guzzlers that was refunded to those registering gas sippers. 

And yeah, there is exactly that problem with a tax &quot;as fossil fuel use ebbs because of the tax, revenues will drop. How will we then make up the revenue shortfall to fund ongoing government operations?&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the general concept of a swap can be done different ways. </p>
<p>A similar cap/dividend idea that was one of many to fail filibuster a few years ago, despite cosponsoring by Republican Susan Collins. </p>
<p><a href="http://grist.org/article/why-cantwell-collins-is-best-and-how-it-just-might-win/" rel="nofollow">http://grist.org/article/why-cantwell-collins-is-best-and-how-it-just-might-win/</a></p>
<p>Also a &#8220;feebate&#8221; on SUVs/EVs &#8211; a fee on gas guzzlers that was refunded to those registering gas sippers. </p>
<p>And yeah, there is exactly that problem with a tax &#8220;as fossil fuel use ebbs because of the tax, revenues will drop. How will we then make up the revenue shortfall to fund ongoing government operations?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GaryR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan -- There is an even simpler, revenue-neutral idea being pushed by the nonpartisan Citizens Climate Lobby. It is called carbon fee and dividend. It would put a gradually increasing tax/fee on carbon at the source and rebate 100% of proceeds to households on a flat basis. This idea is better than linking to taxes because if we start messing with the tax code, who knows who will end up with the shorter end of the stick? Not only that, but as fossil fuel use ebbs because of the tax, revenues will drop. How will we then make up the revenue shortfall to fund ongoing government operations? With the fee and dividend idea, the amount of the rebate simply decreases with the drop in fossil fuel use. Further, energy taxes are known to be very regressive. With carbon fee and dividend, 60-70% of households on the lower end of the income distribution curve break even or come out ahead. Pete Stark based HR 3242, the Save Our Climate Act, on this concept. I hope you will look into it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8212; There is an even simpler, revenue-neutral idea being pushed by the nonpartisan Citizens Climate Lobby. It is called carbon fee and dividend. It would put a gradually increasing tax/fee on carbon at the source and rebate 100% of proceeds to households on a flat basis. This idea is better than linking to taxes because if we start messing with the tax code, who knows who will end up with the shorter end of the stick? Not only that, but as fossil fuel use ebbs because of the tax, revenues will drop. How will we then make up the revenue shortfall to fund ongoing government operations? With the fee and dividend idea, the amount of the rebate simply decreases with the drop in fossil fuel use. Further, energy taxes are known to be very regressive. With carbon fee and dividend, 60-70% of households on the lower end of the income distribution curve break even or come out ahead. Pete Stark based HR 3242, the Save Our Climate Act, on this concept. I hope you will look into it. </p>
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		<title>By: jdavies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdavies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent news and a brilliant idea! Everybody loves a personal tax cut! and if the &quot;downside&quot; is less pollution and more jobs, it should be a no-brainer!! I hope this gets picked up and fast!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent news and a brilliant idea! Everybody loves a personal tax cut! and if the &#8220;downside&#8221; is less pollution and more jobs, it should be a no-brainer!! I hope this gets picked up and fast!!</p>
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