Comments on: Microsoft Implements Cap & Trade to Cut CO2 http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Zachary Shahan http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-121547 Sun, 20 May 2012 13:41:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-121547 for the confused man below, i’m just going to drop this article which clearly show who is causing global warming and what isn’t:

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/19/what-is-causing-global-warming/

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/19/what-is-causing-global-warming/

http://planetsave.com/2012/01/16/more-science-on-human-vs-natural-global-warming/

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-121050 Tue, 15 May 2012 21:41:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-121050 L Michael Hohmann, I asked you if you know what effect human activity has had on CO2 levels because not knowing and asking people to pay attention to your opinions on global warming is like someone who doesn’t know what atria and ventricles are asking people to pay attention to their opinions on heart surgery.

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120945 Mon, 14 May 2012 22:54:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120945 Okay. Are you sure that human activity has increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere by roughly a third since then?

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120917 Mon, 14 May 2012 16:02:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120917 Ronald: in reply to suggest a different starting date: try anywhere between ~900 and ~1400CE and look at the temperature then.

]]> By: RobS http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120908 Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120908 Michael you seem to predominantly rely on the fallacious argument that other sources produce larger amounts then human release therefore the small extra couldn’t possibly have any substantive effect. What the argument misses is the homeostatic cycle where those organic systems constantly release AND reabsorb CO2, they in fact absorb more CO2 then the natural release each year which is why the ocean is becoming more acidic and why the atmospheric CO2 is not rising by the full amount released through anthropogenic activity. The small added effect of burning millions of years worth of fossilised carbon every year IS enough to tip the balance of the system.
There is a perfect analogy in my field of expertise, medicine. Potassium is an important salt in the body, most of it is found in the fluid inside the cells of the body but there is a constant state of flux to keep appropriate amounts inside and outside the cells necessary to maintain vital cell functions including our heartbeat (this is very similar to the flux of CO2 between organic systems and the atmosphere). The total amount of potassium in the body is ~3,500mEq. Yet if I inject 35 mEq of potassium it would be universally fatal, this because the small added amount tips the balance of the system which normally regulates the flux of potassium around the body.

So if a 1% change in a chemical substance is enough to kill a person why then would a 3% change in CO2 not be capable of a similarly catastrophic effect on a much larger organic system?

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120887 Mon, 14 May 2012 09:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120887 “if you want to list your sources here we’ll take a look.” But I already have above: “See the rest of my various blogsite entries, and look at my postings on Facebook where I am Mike Hohmann – and where I quote all the sources for my opinions. I only know what I read, after all.
Best of all (for my opinions and reasons) is my Sustainability Primer at http://www.lmhdesign.co.uk/sustainability/php.” Couldn’t possibly repeat hundreds of pages and references here. But they exist in locations quoted above.

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120885 Mon, 14 May 2012 09:00:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120885 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat
Again: so how much heat gets trapped by CO2 – in Joule/day if you will.

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120881 Mon, 14 May 2012 07:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120881 A third of what it was before humans began large scale emissions of of CO2 from burning fuels and to a smaller extent from land clearing. From say about 1750, but if you prefer a different starting date that’s fine by me.

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120880 Mon, 14 May 2012 07:34:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120880 If you want to list your sources here we’ll take a look.

I’m not interested in digging through your stuff.

Clearly you’ve either misrepresented your sources or picked some very incorrect ones.

Do you think the argument “it’s gotten warmer before” has any validity? If so, why?

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120878 Mon, 14 May 2012 06:56:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120878 Right. We should stay tuned, for June 2013, but that is a major goal, and by internally funding it with cap and trade (using fines/auctions etc on the least clean-powered business units) they will fire up real competition to swap dirty for clean renewable sources of energy.

]]> By: Ross http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120877 Mon, 14 May 2012 06:42:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120877 That’s a typical denialist document implying that increasing CO2 isn’t major problem. So you’re a fool that doesn’t know he’s a fool which is worse.

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120876 Mon, 14 May 2012 06:09:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120876 Try reading this fool: http://www.courtfool.info/en_Facts_and_lies_about_the_climate_Part_2.htm

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120875 Mon, 14 May 2012 06:03:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120875 Heat is heat; so how many kWh/day get trapped by CO2? No typo here if sources quoted by me are correct; seen no arguments to the contrary.

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120874 Mon, 14 May 2012 06:00:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120874 A third of what?

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120848 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:15:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120848 L Michael Hohmann, you seem unsure whether or not human activity has increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere by about a third. Don’t you think you should find out for sure before forming an opinion about its role in global warming?

]]> By: Bob_Wallace http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120843 Sun, 13 May 2012 22:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120843 Michael, CO2 does not “produce” heat. CO2 traps heat.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

I’m glad you learn from reading. Given that that’s the case might I suggest you spend some time reading Skeptical Science. You’ll find the arguments presented in an easy to follow format and, if you want, you can drill deeper into the science on those issues that interest you most.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

You might want to start with this page…

http://www.skepticalscience.com/big-picture.html

It lays out the basic principals and can help you get quickly past things like understanding how CO2 operates in our atmosphere.

Also on that page the role of atmospheric moisture (clouds) is addressed. It seems that clouds play a dual role, both trapping heat and reflecting sunlight. How they will add or subtract to the overall problem is still being investigated.

BTW, I think you have a typo. It’s not 3%, it’s closer/above 30%. We had about the right amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. It was keeping us from getting too cold while not trapping too much heat and making us too hot. We’ve increased the amount of CO2 significantly.

You can read about that on this page….

http://www.skepticalscience.com/its-not-us-intermediate.htm

You might wish to back up and read the “Basic” page first and then go to the “Intermediate”.

]]> By: Ross http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120842 Sun, 13 May 2012 21:51:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120842 Why would anyone want to read your opinions when you’re clearly a fool?

]]> By: L Michael Hohmann http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120829 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:34:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120829 1. CO2 may well be a greenhouse gas, but so is water vapour of which there is much much more in the atmosphere.
2. It may well have done so, but the earth was much much warmer than now about a thousand years ago without any significant human CO2 production. See photo of Alps and explanation on one of my blogsites.
3. And besides: the Sun delivers 4000 trillion kWh to the top of the atmosphere every 24 hours! How many kWh/day are produced by ALL CO2 reaching the atmosphere daily – of which human contribution is only about 3% which furthermore is completely swamped within the range of estimates for all other natural resources.

See the rest of my various blogsite entries, and look at my postings on Facebook where I am Mike Hohmann – and where I quote at the sources for my opinions. I only know what I read, after all.

Best of all (for my opinions and reasons) is my Sustainability Primer at http://www.lmhdesign.co.uk/sustainability.php

]]> By: Ronald Brak http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120811 Sun, 13 May 2012 13:23:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120811 L Michael Hohmann, are you saying one or both of the following?

1. Carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas.

2. Human activity has not increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere by about a third.

]]> By: Banana http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/12/microsoft-implements-cap-trade-to-cut-co2/#comment-120810 Sun, 13 May 2012 13:03:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=37954#comment-120810 banana

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