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	<title>Comments on: Solarphasec &#8212; Solar Power Meets Art</title>
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		<title>By: Solar power cheaper than coal: One company says it&#8217;s cracked the code &#124; Grist</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-148359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solar power cheaper than coal: One company says it&#8217;s cracked the code &#124; Grist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] company is called V3Solar (formerly Solarphasec) and its product, the Spin Cell, ingeniously solves two big problems facing solar [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] company is called V3Solar (formerly Solarphasec) and its product, the Spin Cell, ingeniously solves two big problems facing solar [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-122548</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PhotonicalPhacts</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-122280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PhotonicalPhacts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just the facts ma&#039;am......Can&#039;t see any physics, maths or engineering to back up these fantastic claims. Until I do, I will remain highly skeptical about this as a viable solar technology....lots of great quotes on their website, here&#039;s one to add: &quot;if it looks to good to be true, it probably is...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just the facts ma&#8217;am&#8230;&#8230;Can&#8217;t see any physics, maths or engineering to back up these fantastic claims. Until I do, I will remain highly skeptical about this as a viable solar technology&#8230;.lots of great quotes on their website, here&#8217;s one to add: &#8220;if it looks to good to be true, it probably is&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-121614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, i know, but this is an initial comment from an anonymous source who said that looking at these comments/concerns here was funny. but he said more info would be coming out and will have to wait to follow up on all this. we&#039;ll see]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i know, but this is an initial comment from an anonymous source who said that looking at these comments/concerns here was funny. but he said more info would be coming out and will have to wait to follow up on all this. we&#8217;ll see</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what this means - &quot; flash rate variability and edge of cloud effect &quot;.  Perhaps there&#039;s something to their apparatus that might outweigh the other apparent losses.

However, if it&#039;s spinning it would be true that there is &quot; no part in shadow for long&quot;, also means that there is no part in the sun for long. 
Spinning - are they creating AC by spinning the cones at a steady rate and using brush contacts to create a pulsed output?

If they are spinning then there&#039;s likely a power loss for the motor and more stuff to wear out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what this means &#8211; &#8221; flash rate variability and edge of cloud effect &#8220;.  Perhaps there&#8217;s something to their apparatus that might outweigh the other apparent losses.</p>
<p>However, if it&#8217;s spinning it would be true that there is &#8221; no part in shadow for long&#8221;, also means that there is no part in the sun for long.<br />
Spinning &#8211; are they creating AC by spinning the cones at a steady rate and using brush contacts to create a pulsed output?</p>
<p>If they are spinning then there&#8217;s likely a power loss for the motor and more stuff to wear out.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something to note that you can see in the video but was left sort of invisible if you didn&#039;t watch that: The cone spins...so there is no part in shadow for long. Reportedly, the company has found that &quot;because of the flash rate variability and edge of cloud effect, it actually produces more electricity than if the all of the panels where in the sun all the time...&quot;

Planning a follow-up post, but waiting on some info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to note that you can see in the video but was left sort of invisible if you didn&#8217;t watch that: The cone spins&#8230;so there is no part in shadow for long. Reportedly, the company has found that &#8220;because of the flash rate variability and edge of cloud effect, it actually produces more electricity than if the all of the panels where in the sun all the time&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Planning a follow-up post, but waiting on some info.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea what those sentences mean, but when I read things like that I just assume it&#039;s something put out by a Chinese company that has no relation to the actual product. It could be an honest attempt at a con, or it could simply be lost in translation. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what those sentences mean, but when I read things like that I just assume it&#8217;s something put out by a Chinese company that has no relation to the actual product. It could be an honest attempt at a con, or it could simply be lost in translation. </p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone have an idea what they are talking about in these paragraphs?

&quot;The proprietary electromechanical function of the system increases the efficiency of the photovoltaic cells deployed in the system leading to significantly higher output power compared to an equivalent footprint of a standard solar panel.

The proprietary electromechanical function is designed to provide alternating current output for electrical distribution without the need for inverter equipment normally required to modify the direct current output from the photovoltaic cells.&quot;

I used to build electro-mechanical  lab equipment.  I can&#039;t believe that there is a e-m way to convert DC from the cells to AC more efficiently than is done with solid state components.

Long time ago DC to AC inverters were DC motors running AC generators.  That was far from efficient.  Modern inverters are well above 90% efficient.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have an idea what they are talking about in these paragraphs?</p>
<p>&#8220;The proprietary electromechanical function of the system increases the efficiency of the photovoltaic cells deployed in the system leading to significantly higher output power compared to an equivalent footprint of a standard solar panel.</p>
<p>The proprietary electromechanical function is designed to provide alternating current output for electrical distribution without the need for inverter equipment normally required to modify the direct current output from the photovoltaic cells.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to build electro-mechanical  lab equipment.  I can&#8217;t believe that there is a e-m way to convert DC from the cells to AC more efficiently than is done with solid state components.</p>
<p>Long time ago DC to AC inverters were DC motors running AC generators.  That was far from efficient.  Modern inverters are well above 90% efficient.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120231</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m interested in anything that can flatten and stretch out the power curve of PV without too much extra cost because it could pay better if fixed flat panel PV is pushing down electricity around the middle of the day, and because it could potentially result in further cuts to CO2 emissions by causing fossil fuel generators to shut down earlier and start up later.  But since roof space isn&#039;t really a limiting factor here in Australia, just cheap flat panels facing west (and possibly east, but there&#039;s not so much demand early in the morning) does seem likely to be the best solution. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in anything that can flatten and stretch out the power curve of PV without too much extra cost because it could pay better if fixed flat panel PV is pushing down electricity around the middle of the day, and because it could potentially result in further cuts to CO2 emissions by causing fossil fuel generators to shut down earlier and start up later.  But since roof space isn&#8217;t really a limiting factor here in Australia, just cheap flat panels facing west (and possibly east, but there&#8217;s not so much demand early in the morning) does seem likely to be the best solution. </p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120210</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since this claims to generate AC instead of DC, I can&#039;t see how I could incorporate such into my system even if/when available unless I segregated (rewired) certain circuits to operate off of this directly, but then it&#039;d only be functional during day light (since no storage aspect possible that I can detect).  Can&#039;t charge a battery bank with AC.  This would suck in winter, esp. in snow country, unless up on guyed pole(s).

Maybe that&#039;s why it&#039;s shaped like a &#039;dunce-cap&#039;.  - twice as &#039;efficient&#039; (maybe) but barely half as useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this claims to generate AC instead of DC, I can&#8217;t see how I could incorporate such into my system even if/when available unless I segregated (rewired) certain circuits to operate off of this directly, but then it&#8217;d only be functional during day light (since no storage aspect possible that I can detect).  Can&#8217;t charge a battery bank with AC.  This would suck in winter, esp. in snow country, unless up on guyed pole(s).</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s shaped like a &#8216;dunce-cap&#8217;.  &#8211; twice as &#8216;efficient&#8217; (maybe) but barely half as useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the price of PV continues to fall I wonder if we&#039;ll see panel installations on east and west facing roofs in order to extend the solar day.

Given that most homes are built without regard to the compass there should be a large number of homes with rear roofs facing east, southeast, southwest, and west.  Whole roof installation could create large numbers of panels performing maximally at different times of the day.

If we can hit the $1/watt installed goal I suspect we&#039;ll see that happening.

(Covering ~100% of the roof areas not facing the street would eliminate much of the aesthetic objection.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the price of PV continues to fall I wonder if we&#8217;ll see panel installations on east and west facing roofs in order to extend the solar day.</p>
<p>Given that most homes are built without regard to the compass there should be a large number of homes with rear roofs facing east, southeast, southwest, and west.  Whole roof installation could create large numbers of panels performing maximally at different times of the day.</p>
<p>If we can hit the $1/watt installed goal I suspect we&#8217;ll see that happening.</p>
<p>(Covering ~100% of the roof areas not facing the street would eliminate much of the aesthetic objection.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a very inefficient use of PV surface area.  But if you don&#039;t care about that, they have some advantages.  Early in the morning and late in the afternoon they will catch more sunshine than a fixed flat panel.  Personally, I wouldn&#039;t stack little cones next to each other, if I had a big roof I&#039;d use one big cone.  

Stacking lots of ittle ones next to each other is less of an advantage.  Ignoring angle of incidence effects nothing is lost, the light is all pretty much falling on solar collectors, but yeah, angle of incidence might be a problem.  I didn&#039;t think of that at all and I don&#039;t know how much of an effect it will have on performance, since every collecting surface is curved instead of flat.  Maybe the problem won&#039;t be so bad with thin cells.  

So maybe the advantages for lots of little ones are down to, looks easy to install, don&#039;t catch the wind so much, and gives bad film makers something new for villians to fall on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very inefficient use of PV surface area.  But if you don&#8217;t care about that, they have some advantages.  Early in the morning and late in the afternoon they will catch more sunshine than a fixed flat panel.  Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t stack little cones next to each other, if I had a big roof I&#8217;d use one big cone.  </p>
<p>Stacking lots of ittle ones next to each other is less of an advantage.  Ignoring angle of incidence effects nothing is lost, the light is all pretty much falling on solar collectors, but yeah, angle of incidence might be a problem.  I didn&#8217;t think of that at all and I don&#8217;t know how much of an effect it will have on performance, since every collecting surface is curved instead of flat.  Maybe the problem won&#8217;t be so bad with thin cells.  </p>
<p>So maybe the advantages for lots of little ones are down to, looks easy to install, don&#8217;t catch the wind so much, and gives bad film makers something new for villians to fall on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please explain how that might work.

Solar panels work best when pointed directly at the Sun.  

With these inverted cones only a small percentage of the collector is going to be facing the Sun at any given time.  

Lots of the collector area will be in the shade (except for those brief times when the Sun is directly over them).  And then none of the collecting surface will be at a 90 degree angle to the Sun.

You can&#039;t pack them tight.  Do that and you start shading one cone with another when the Sun is lower in the sky.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain how that might work.</p>
<p>Solar panels work best when pointed directly at the Sun.  </p>
<p>With these inverted cones only a small percentage of the collector is going to be facing the Sun at any given time.  </p>
<p>Lots of the collector area will be in the shade (except for those brief times when the Sun is directly over them).  And then none of the collecting surface will be at a 90 degree angle to the Sun.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t pack them tight.  Do that and you start shading one cone with another when the Sun is lower in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brak</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald Brak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that the cost of PV has gotten so low, it makes sense to start improving output per square metre by mucking about with three dimensional shapes.  They will of course cost more to make than a simple flat panel, but the extra cost could certainly be worth it due to increased output per square metre and more even output through the day.  They could be very useful for flat roof installations and I will also note an important design feature - it should be impossible for a bird to perch on top of one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the cost of PV has gotten so low, it makes sense to start improving output per square metre by mucking about with three dimensional shapes.  They will of course cost more to make than a simple flat panel, but the extra cost could certainly be worth it due to increased output per square metre and more even output through the day.  They could be very useful for flat roof installations and I will also note an important design feature &#8211; it should be impossible for a bird to perch on top of one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot news in cleantech: Mining for geothermal, fusion find, solar cones - reneweconomy.com.au : Renew Economy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hot news in cleantech: Mining for geothermal, fusion find, solar cones - reneweconomy.com.au : Renew Economy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] contributor to the cause is Solarphasec, with its 3D Spin Cell Generators. CleanTechnica reports that the California-based company – which has a branch in Melbourne, Australia – claims its [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] contributor to the cause is Solarphasec, with its 3D Spin Cell Generators. CleanTechnica reports that the California-based company – which has a branch in Melbourne, Australia – claims its [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/03/solarphasec-solar-power-meets-art/#comment-120103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob_Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanna see proof.

The cone standing alone - part is facing north and those cells are not going to get hit by sunlight very often.

The cone tree - built in shade.

No inverter?  Lower installation costs?  Lower engineering costs?  Lower balance of system costs?

How do they get from DC to grid AC?  How do they deal with less-exposed cells pulling down system performance?  They&#039;ve always got part of the array in the shade.

How could it possibly be less work to install these little puppies as opposed to slapping down ranks of flat panels?

Why would an engineer charge less per watt to design the system?

How could the mounting systems possibly be cheaper than simple metal racks?  Just consider that tree thing.

Finally, they&#039;ve got to chop up and mount a lot of cells on their Hershey Kiss.  That&#039;s labor intensive.

Color me highly skeptical....






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna see proof.</p>
<p>The cone standing alone &#8211; part is facing north and those cells are not going to get hit by sunlight very often.</p>
<p>The cone tree &#8211; built in shade.</p>
<p>No inverter?  Lower installation costs?  Lower engineering costs?  Lower balance of system costs?</p>
<p>How do they get from DC to grid AC?  How do they deal with less-exposed cells pulling down system performance?  They&#8217;ve always got part of the array in the shade.</p>
<p>How could it possibly be less work to install these little puppies as opposed to slapping down ranks of flat panels?</p>
<p>Why would an engineer charge less per watt to design the system?</p>
<p>How could the mounting systems possibly be cheaper than simple metal racks?  Just consider that tree thing.</p>
<p>Finally, they&#8217;ve got to chop up and mount a lot of cells on their Hershey Kiss.  That&#8217;s labor intensive.</p>
<p>Color me highly skeptical&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: L33t4im</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L33t4im]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome. Reduce net area impacted by the technology while increasing the net energy production and better ROI than PVs. The applicability is amazing as well. Installations on telephone poles, streetlights, tops of buildings, etc is a great way to not consume more green space. If I had 5 thumbs, I&#039;d give this 5 thumbs up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. Reduce net area impacted by the technology while increasing the net energy production and better ROI than PVs. The applicability is amazing as well. Installations on telephone poles, streetlights, tops of buildings, etc is a great way to not consume more green space. If I had 5 thumbs, I&#8217;d give this 5 thumbs up.</p>
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