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	<title>Comments on: New $60 (or $20) LED Bulb that Lasts 20 Years</title>
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		<title>By: Ace Tony</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-203662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ace Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please even if they last 30 000 hours opened 24/7 they will only last maximum 2 years so the 20 years is only for 3 hours a day, maybe Philips should concentrate on producing 100 000 hours led bulbs rather then marketing strategies ....
people  should know the truth, Led is awesome but don&#039;t need to buy Philips to buy quality]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please even if they last 30 000 hours opened 24/7 they will only last maximum 2 years so the 20 years is only for 3 hours a day, maybe Philips should concentrate on producing 100 000 hours led bulbs rather then marketing strategies &#8230;.<br />
people  should know the truth, Led is awesome but don&#8217;t need to buy Philips to buy quality</p>
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		<title>By: oceanfront</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-123902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oceanfront]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lowest price I&#039;ve seen is for an LED 60 watt equivalent at Home Depot 
was $7.99.  It was in a cardboard standup thing used for sales 
promotions near the isle that had all the bulbs.  I almost got tempted on that one.   It may no longer be there.   However I&#039;m waiting. Why?  Let&#039;s say someone spends $20 on a bulb now and has their calculator out trying to decide when it will pay off etc.  That&#039;s nice, except let&#039;s say in a year that same bulb is $9.99 or $10.   The savings in the sudden price drop far exceeds any savings they were going to get from the difference in electric used between say CFL and LED (which is common).  

Or imagine the ones who spent $50 for ONE bulb just last year.  They are all proud of this bulb that may last 10 to 20 years.  Now imagine them only 3 years in the future, crying in Walmarts because they are holding up a 3 pack of LED bulbs for $16.97..  I don&#039;t want to be that fool.  Besides, the looks of the lighting and bulbs change as they improve.  First adopters will be eating their hearts out when they see the BETTER, soft light improvements that look even more close to other favorite classic bulbs.  Not to say all bulbs must be like this, but many people will react to this.  Then they will have to rebuy all their bulbs just to get the newer bulb with better looks and features.  Think back.  Some of the light patterns and color temperatures and colors on the 1st LED bulbs were truly ugly.  The latest thing is the frosted, warm look and diffuse light on some makes etc.  But who knows what they will have in 3 years.  Or how cheap they will be.  Obviously if a bulb is over $30, it&#039;s just begging to fall in the next 3 years.

And what if a $50 LED bulb breaks?  OR starts getting flashers?  Think everyone will save their receipts oh so perfectly for 10 or more years?  Think again.   At least with a cheaper bulb I won&#039;t be upset if one breaks.
That said, I&#039;m going to wait just a little while longer before I buy a load of bulbs.  Maybe I&#039;ll buy ONE of the under $10 ones at HD to amuse myself while I wait, if I see them in that stand again...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lowest price I&#8217;ve seen is for an LED 60 watt equivalent at Home Depot<br />
was $7.99.  It was in a cardboard standup thing used for sales<br />
promotions near the isle that had all the bulbs.  I almost got tempted on that one.   It may no longer be there.   However I&#8217;m waiting. Why?  Let&#8217;s say someone spends $20 on a bulb now and has their calculator out trying to decide when it will pay off etc.  That&#8217;s nice, except let&#8217;s say in a year that same bulb is $9.99 or $10.   The savings in the sudden price drop far exceeds any savings they were going to get from the difference in electric used between say CFL and LED (which is common).  </p>
<p>Or imagine the ones who spent $50 for ONE bulb just last year.  They are all proud of this bulb that may last 10 to 20 years.  Now imagine them only 3 years in the future, crying in Walmarts because they are holding up a 3 pack of LED bulbs for $16.97..  I don&#8217;t want to be that fool.  Besides, the looks of the lighting and bulbs change as they improve.  First adopters will be eating their hearts out when they see the BETTER, soft light improvements that look even more close to other favorite classic bulbs.  Not to say all bulbs must be like this, but many people will react to this.  Then they will have to rebuy all their bulbs just to get the newer bulb with better looks and features.  Think back.  Some of the light patterns and color temperatures and colors on the 1st LED bulbs were truly ugly.  The latest thing is the frosted, warm look and diffuse light on some makes etc.  But who knows what they will have in 3 years.  Or how cheap they will be.  Obviously if a bulb is over $30, it&#8217;s just begging to fall in the next 3 years.</p>
<p>And what if a $50 LED bulb breaks?  OR starts getting flashers?  Think everyone will save their receipts oh so perfectly for 10 or more years?  Think again.   At least with a cheaper bulb I won&#8217;t be upset if one breaks.<br />
That said, I&#8217;m going to wait just a little while longer before I buy a load of bulbs.  Maybe I&#8217;ll buy ONE of the under $10 ones at HD to amuse myself while I wait, if I see them in that stand again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: oceanclock9</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-123900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oceanclock9]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ You are showing us patent &quot;applications&quot;.  2) just because an application is registered in whatever country doesn&#039;t mean that has anything to do with it&#039;s origin.  3) You running around spouting patent #&#039;s etc is just a little too weird and you sound like you have a vested interest or an un pure motive. --  That said, your post is irksome.  Like what average reader or normal person would quote THAT many references and patents etc?  However sales are driven by supply and demand.  Only so many fools will buy bulbs at $60, and then the price will decline as it has been.  If the prices don&#039;t change, they won&#039;t sell any more bulbs.  It&#039;s as simple as that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You are showing us patent &#8220;applications&#8221;.  2) just because an application is registered in whatever country doesn&#8217;t mean that has anything to do with it&#8217;s origin.  3) You running around spouting patent #&#8217;s etc is just a little too weird and you sound like you have a vested interest or an un pure motive. &#8212;  That said, your post is irksome.  Like what average reader or normal person would quote THAT many references and patents etc?  However sales are driven by supply and demand.  Only so many fools will buy bulbs at $60, and then the price will decline as it has been.  If the prices don&#8217;t change, they won&#8217;t sell any more bulbs.  It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: mdsmbwa</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdsmbwa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my purchases from Home Depot so far:

					               Watts 
purchase purchase				               Equiv.
date        price      manufacture	distributor	model	Watts      Incan.
1/29/11   $39.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	PAR30	15	60
3/22/12   $29.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	PAR30	15	60
3/22/12   $27.97    Phillips	same	PAR30L	12	60
3/22/12   $24.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	BR30	14	75
3/22/12   $16.97    Phillips	same	A19	12.5	60
3/22/12   $9.97     Lighting Sci	ecosmart	A19	9	40


             warranty					
Lumens  years   rated life  dimble  outdoor	location / manufacture pn
725         5        50,000      Yes      Yes	over sink, kitchen / 866 392
725         5        50,000      Yes      Yes	outside garage / 866 392
630         6 lmt   25,000      Yes      No	N. Fireplc / 12E26PAR30L-E2
800         5        25,000      Yes      Yes	S. Fireplc - couch / 409 440
800         6 lmt   25,000      Yes      No	outside front door / 12E26A60
429         5        50,000      Yes      No	Bedroom lamp / 864 680

No problems so far with any of these.

Obviously I like the Lighting Science PAR30 bulbs a lot.  I will buy more when they get cheaper.  CFLs get hot and fail in Can light mounts indoors.  BR30 is even better.  My wife complains about how bright they are and they are 1 less Watt of power use.  These were all on the Home Depot web site before I purchased.  I don&#039;t see them on their now.  Maybe they are selling too well right now?  You&#039;ll have to figure that out yourself.

LED bulbs, Solar PV, and EVs/EREVs (PHEVs) viva la revolucion!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my purchases from Home Depot so far:</p>
<p>					               Watts<br />
purchase purchase				               Equiv.<br />
date        price      manufacture	distributor	model	Watts      Incan.<br />
1/29/11   $39.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	PAR30	15	60<br />
3/22/12   $29.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	PAR30	15	60<br />
3/22/12   $27.97    Phillips	same	PAR30L	12	60<br />
3/22/12   $24.97    Lighting Sci	ecosmart	BR30	14	75<br />
3/22/12   $16.97    Phillips	same	A19	12.5	60<br />
3/22/12   $9.97     Lighting Sci	ecosmart	A19	9	40</p>
<p>             warranty<br />
Lumens  years   rated life  dimble  outdoor	location / manufacture pn<br />
725         5        50,000      Yes      Yes	over sink, kitchen / 866 392<br />
725         5        50,000      Yes      Yes	outside garage / 866 392<br />
630         6 lmt   25,000      Yes      No	N. Fireplc / 12E26PAR30L-E2<br />
800         5        25,000      Yes      Yes	S. Fireplc &#8211; couch / 409 440<br />
800         6 lmt   25,000      Yes      No	outside front door / 12E26A60<br />
429         5        50,000      Yes      No	Bedroom lamp / 864 680</p>
<p>No problems so far with any of these.</p>
<p>Obviously I like the Lighting Science PAR30 bulbs a lot.  I will buy more when they get cheaper.  CFLs get hot and fail in Can light mounts indoors.  BR30 is even better.  My wife complains about how bright they are and they are 1 less Watt of power use.  These were all on the Home Depot web site before I purchased.  I don&#8217;t see them on their now.  Maybe they are selling too well right now?  You&#8217;ll have to figure that out yourself.</p>
<p>LED bulbs, Solar PV, and EVs/EREVs (PHEVs) viva la revolucion!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Altair IV</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Altair IV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, it sounds to me like the US federal and state governments need to put more effective policies in place to support home-grown green energy technology then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, it sounds to me like the US federal and state governments need to put more effective policies in place to support home-grown green energy technology then.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119584</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prices from www.homedepot.com
Search &quot;led light bulb&quot;
1. EcoSmart 13-Watt (60W) A19 LED Light Bulb (E)*  $13.97 
2. Philips AmbientLED 12-Watt (60W) A19 Soft-White Light Bulb (2-Pack) $49.94 =&gt; $25 per bulb.
Much lower cost and available now.



]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prices from <a href="http://www.homedepot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.homedepot.com</a><br />
Search &#8220;led light bulb&#8221;<br />
1. EcoSmart 13-Watt (60W) A19 LED Light Bulb (E)*  $13.97<br />
2. Philips AmbientLED 12-Watt (60W) A19 Soft-White Light Bulb (2-Pack) $49.94 =&gt; $25 per bulb.<br />
Much lower cost and available now.</p>
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		<title>By: Robs</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they&#039;d beaten some other more eligible entrants I might care but they were the only entrant so I really don&#039;t care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;d beaten some other more eligible entrants I might care but they were the only entrant so I really don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The greater troubling issues beyond the $60 price of the L-Prize bulb.  
The problem is that the L-Prize contest which was supposed to foster U.S. green technology competitiveness was RIGGED.  

As a foreign based (headquartered) corporation Philips was excluded from eligibility according to the law that established the L-Prize, in particular public law 110-140 section 655(f)(1).  Under U.S. federal law the term &quot;a primary place of business&quot; that is used in the statute refers to the single headquarters location, which in the case of Philips is Amsterdam,Netherlands.  

When this issue arose after the announcement of Philips as the L-Prize &quot;winner&quot; the CEO of Philips Lighting North America  Zia Eftekhar went on record falsly stating that the L-Prize bulb was &quot;conceived&quot; and had its &quot;origins&quot; in the U.S. See http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4218797/Born-in-the-USA--Philips--L-Prize-LED-bulb  The truth as evidenced in Philips patent application on the L-Prize bulb, is otherwise. See http://www.google.com/patents/about/ELECTRIC_LAMP.html?id=adH3AQAAEBAJ  The patent application which was, originally filed in Europe in 2008, but published in the U.S. two months after the Philips executive made his misrepresentations, lists only Dutch inventors, no U.S. inventors and assignes the patent to the Dutch Philips entity, not to a U.S. entity.   

Philips also spent $1.79 Million lobbying for appropriations for the L-PRIZE see http://freebeacon.com/wp-content//uploads/2012/03/Philips.LightBulb.pdf 

Nonetheless &quot;A House Appropriations Committee report issued in June slammed the department for announcing the $10 million prize without prior approval from Congress.&quot; see http://freebeacon.com/obamas-dim-bulbs/

The L-Prize entry also failed to meet key technical requirements of the contest. The Philips entry does not meet the stated uniformity requirement of the contest.  This is admitted in a document obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), see https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaMDFmYzZmNGItYTMyOS00YmM1LTgyZjAtZWJiNzQ2NmM1MWY3/edit  The curt justification asserted in that document based on comparing uniformity to a standard incandescent lamp is factually (quantifiably) false. The L-Prize lamp submitted for evaluation was actually less uniform. See https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaTHVVbDVrLTVSSkNEcW5MaVNzVTI4dw/edit  

The production L-Prize bulb also does not meet the published L-Prize uniformity criteria of +/-10% of average in the zone 0 to 150 degrees.  See data on page 41 of http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/pwc_li/us_en/lightcommunity/trends/l-prize/assets/EnduraLED_A19_Bulb_9290002097.pdf and https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaWExFamtJcG9nSUE/edit?pli=1

Whether the Philips lightbulb actually satisfies the L-Prize 25,000 hour lifetime with less than 10% failure requirement is put into question by the fact that in an independent laboratory evalutation conducted by the Southern California Edison 1 of 16 bulbs failed by changing color to red.  See http://www.etcc-ca.com/component/content/article/48-Commercial/3044-l-prize-lab-evaluation

The Philips entry also failed to produce the required amount of light.  In one test 62 out of 100 bulbs failed. (See above linked FOIAed document) Whether the commercialized version will consistently produce the required amount of light is an open question, HOWEVER the stated procedure for the contest was that if the entry failed a required test the entry would fail. See flowchart on page 15 of http://www.lightingprize.org/pdfs/LPrize-Revision1.pdf  

What happened is that Philips wanted to submit prematurely to claim the prize (see http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/09/feds-pay-10-million-for-50-light-bulb ) and the Department of Energy did not want to follow the rules and fail them, rather they embarked on RIGGING the contest.  They kept the failure secret and proceeded with other tests. 

The result is that a bulb developed by Dutch inventors, built with some (possibly most) of its parts made in Shenzhen China (see http://www.dailytech.com/Philips+Wins+10M+USD+Govt+LPrize+for+Worlds+Most+Efficient+Light+Bulb/article24082.htm ) has been given a great initial advantage which may allow it to dominate U.S. competitors, even though the contest is RIGGED.  

We may wind up with Dutch citizens enjoying social welfare benefits such as vacations for the unemployed, supported by Chinese workers working 16 hours a day and American consumers squeezed by $60 light bulb prices whether they pay that amount at the check out counter or indirectly pay for subsidies through their electric bill.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greater troubling issues beyond the $60 price of the L-Prize bulb.<br />
The problem is that the L-Prize contest which was supposed to foster U.S. green technology competitiveness was RIGGED.  </p>
<p>As a foreign based (headquartered) corporation Philips was excluded from eligibility according to the law that established the L-Prize, in particular public law 110-140 section 655(f)(1).  Under U.S. federal law the term &#8220;a primary place of business&#8221; that is used in the statute refers to the single headquarters location, which in the case of Philips is Amsterdam,Netherlands.  </p>
<p>When this issue arose after the announcement of Philips as the L-Prize &#8220;winner&#8221; the CEO of Philips Lighting North America  Zia Eftekhar went on record falsly stating that the L-Prize bulb was &#8220;conceived&#8221; and had its &#8220;origins&#8221; in the U.S. See <a href="http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4218797/Born-in-the-USA--Philips--L-Prize-LED-bulb" rel="nofollow">http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4218797/Born-in-the-USA&#8211;Philips&#8211;L-Prize-LED-bulb</a>  The truth as evidenced in Philips patent application on the L-Prize bulb, is otherwise. See <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about/ELECTRIC_LAMP.html?id=adH3AQAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents/about/ELECTRIC_LAMP.html?id=adH3AQAAEBAJ</a>  The patent application which was, originally filed in Europe in 2008, but published in the U.S. two months after the Philips executive made his misrepresentations, lists only Dutch inventors, no U.S. inventors and assignes the patent to the Dutch Philips entity, not to a U.S. entity.   </p>
<p>Philips also spent $1.79 Million lobbying for appropriations for the L-PRIZE see <a href="http://freebeacon.com/wp-content//uploads/2012/03/Philips.LightBulb.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://freebeacon.com/wp-content//uploads/2012/03/Philips.LightBulb.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Nonetheless &#8220;A House Appropriations Committee report issued in June slammed the department for announcing the $10 million prize without prior approval from Congress.&#8221; see <a href="http://freebeacon.com/obamas-dim-bulbs/" rel="nofollow">http://freebeacon.com/obamas-dim-bulbs/</a></p>
<p>The L-Prize entry also failed to meet key technical requirements of the contest. The Philips entry does not meet the stated uniformity requirement of the contest.  This is admitted in a document obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), see <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaMDFmYzZmNGItYTMyOS00YmM1LTgyZjAtZWJiNzQ2NmM1MWY3/edit" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaMDFmYzZmNGItYTMyOS00YmM1LTgyZjAtZWJiNzQ2NmM1MWY3/edit</a>  The curt justification asserted in that document based on comparing uniformity to a standard incandescent lamp is factually (quantifiably) false. The L-Prize lamp submitted for evaluation was actually less uniform. See <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaTHVVbDVrLTVSSkNEcW5MaVNzVTI4dw/edit" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaTHVVbDVrLTVSSkNEcW5MaVNzVTI4dw/edit</a>  </p>
<p>The production L-Prize bulb also does not meet the published L-Prize uniformity criteria of +/-10% of average in the zone 0 to 150 degrees.  See data on page 41 of <a href="http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/pwc_li/us_en/lightcommunity/trends/l-prize/assets/EnduraLED_A19_Bulb_9290002097.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/pwc_li/us_en/lightcommunity/trends/l-prize/assets/EnduraLED_A19_Bulb_9290002097.pdf</a> and <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaWExFamtJcG9nSUE/edit?pli=1" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B25T0YFa8TKaWExFamtJcG9nSUE/edit?pli=1</a></p>
<p>Whether the Philips lightbulb actually satisfies the L-Prize 25,000 hour lifetime with less than 10% failure requirement is put into question by the fact that in an independent laboratory evalutation conducted by the Southern California Edison 1 of 16 bulbs failed by changing color to red.  See <a href="http://www.etcc-ca.com/component/content/article/48-Commercial/3044-l-prize-lab-evaluation" rel="nofollow">http://www.etcc-ca.com/component/content/article/48-Commercial/3044-l-prize-lab-evaluation</a></p>
<p>The Philips entry also failed to produce the required amount of light.  In one test 62 out of 100 bulbs failed. (See above linked FOIAed document) Whether the commercialized version will consistently produce the required amount of light is an open question, HOWEVER the stated procedure for the contest was that if the entry failed a required test the entry would fail. See flowchart on page 15 of <a href="http://www.lightingprize.org/pdfs/LPrize-Revision1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lightingprize.org/pdfs/LPrize-Revision1.pdf</a>  </p>
<p>What happened is that Philips wanted to submit prematurely to claim the prize (see <a href="http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/09/feds-pay-10-million-for-50-light-bulb" rel="nofollow">http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/09/feds-pay-10-million-for-50-light-bulb</a> ) and the Department of Energy did not want to follow the rules and fail them, rather they embarked on RIGGING the contest.  They kept the failure secret and proceeded with other tests. </p>
<p>The result is that a bulb developed by Dutch inventors, built with some (possibly most) of its parts made in Shenzhen China (see <a href="http://www.dailytech.com/Philips+Wins+10M+USD+Govt+LPrize+for+Worlds+Most+Efficient+Light+Bulb/article24082.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytech.com/Philips+Wins+10M+USD+Govt+LPrize+for+Worlds+Most+Efficient+Light+Bulb/article24082.htm</a> ) has been given a great initial advantage which may allow it to dominate U.S. competitors, even though the contest is RIGGED.  </p>
<p>We may wind up with Dutch citizens enjoying social welfare benefits such as vacations for the unemployed, supported by Chinese workers working 16 hours a day and American consumers squeezed by $60 light bulb prices whether they pay that amount at the check out counter or indirectly pay for subsidies through their electric bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dcard88</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dcard88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t paid more than $2 for a 16 watt CFL for over 5 years.  The $5 bulbs are the 23 watts and the 3 ways and dimmables.

Looking forward to the price for LEDs coming down to $20 in the next year or 3 so I can afford to convert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t paid more than $2 for a 16 watt CFL for over 5 years.  The $5 bulbs are the 23 watts and the 3 ways and dimmables.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the price for LEDs coming down to $20 in the next year or 3 so I can afford to convert.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/26/new-60-or-20-led-bulb-that-lasts-20-years/#comment-119541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Shahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, there are cheaper ones. there&#039;s a story linked above that is about a $5 LED. but these won&#039;t have the 20-year lifespan. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, there are cheaper ones. there&#8217;s a story linked above that is about a $5 LED. but these won&#8217;t have the 20-year lifespan. <img src="http://cleantechnica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But I picked up an LED bulb from lowest while in the states that cost $12?
I can pick up a decent GU10 LED here for £11]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I picked up an LED bulb from lowest while in the states that cost $12?<br />
I can pick up a decent GU10 LED here for £11</p>
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